Odin (in Destroyer) vs. Tyrant

Originally posted by psycho gundam
^ that part where odin blasts thanos with gugnir there could be just thanos getting surprised by a more potent blast than the ones he was getting prior. as everyone knows thanos was later able to wade through a subsequent and sustained blast as well as grab gugnir. that matters a lot when dissecting that moment cause you'd think that thanos would have been weaker from the initial blast, yet he seemed even stronger from more energy (per second) hitting him soon after from the same source.

imo he was just jostled by more than he was bracing for as later he more than braced for it, he went forward through it like a bawse.

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Originally posted by zopzop

Wow, DP Tyrant NEVER sent Thanos flying like that!

Or tossed him around like a Rag Doll :

🙄

And don't forget about this one, the most vicious one that probably made Thanos finally realize he's out of his league and admit that Tyrant has the power to kill him. The challenge was over, it was time to teleport after this one. That button on his belt saved him.

EVERY blast propelled Thanos. There was no tanking or charging through anything from Tyrant.

Originally posted by curryman
I'm talking about all three fights, in case that wasn't clear.

He quoted my post in agreement...

And I said people who agreed that it was Odin's win [b]or that they broke even [/B]

The ONLY reason I said Odin stands a chance in 1) is assuming the panel with Gaea in CW was indeed a retcon and NOT simply a retelling.

If it's a retcon, then it's split (depending on what both combatants are doing). Is Odin amping all the way ie drawing power from Asgard/the Asgardians? Is Tyrant amping off ALL his orbs/biosphere of every planet? Too much sh|t going on in that one.

If it's merely a retelling, Tyrant stomps.

2) I gave to Odin because I believe that Odin+Destroyer would beat Tyrant if he wasn't drawing on his full power.

3) Stomp in Tyrant's favor (and this is self explanatory).

Originally posted by curryman
Let's tally up the votes of people who think Odin wins or [b]breaks even

Iceman
Damborgson
Leo
Me
Whitewitchking
ZopZop
guy
The darkone
Stoic
zeel
dampyre
Rage
Lannfear
darkodin
Horrificus
Lordof murder
h1a8

Against 2 or 3 guys against (namely you and quanchi)
And that's just from the first 4 pages!

Now how in the world is that just Leo going on? [/B]

lol

thanks for that curry. ftr, was fine with what was being presumed. just to clarify a little-- for my part, i was debating mostly regarding the destroyer armor, but i also said i think this would be very close and that odin would certainly lose some. i think some people were under the impression that i said odin destroyzzzz!1!! him or something. i'm still not sure how odin in the armor can be viewed as anything but reasonably close, but.....c'est la vie.

Originally posted by curryman

Now how in the world is that just Leo going on?

Once one (me) shows the futility in Odin being able to win consistently, there's no point in dragging it on. Props to zop and Kurupt Thanosi for making valid points with their contributions.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi

Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
He was looking to test his might against Tyrant and he did. He survived a fight which is what he was looking for and took his prize. He even states it as much. Why would a being who embraces death be afraid of Tyrant killing him? That's the silliest nonsense. He left because there was no point to continuing seeing has Tyrant couldn't finish him given the chance, mocking Tyrant as he denied him his orb. If he was afraid of death, he would have given the orb back.

Lets say he was amp, it gave him power to knock Tyrant around. Without said amp, he wouldn't move Tyrant. Well then again, he didn't move Odin at all while Odin blasted him clear across the rainbow bridge straight into Asgard. Odin is at least on par with DP Tyrant but really he's above looking at all his feats.

Big G already raped a more powerful version and shrunk him to this state. The heralds and Thanos never backed down from Tyrant so does that mean they're more powerful than Big G? Big G jobbing to make others look good has been Galactus' history. So what if sometimes he's shown as a weakling to make others look good at times? Big G was afraid of Depowered Tyrant even though he beat FP Tyrant and shrank him to DP Tyrant. Great Logic.

Thank goodness this is Tyrant and not Tyrant with Galactus' powers. Tyrant full might would take it to Odin. Other than that, no way is a weaker version going to beat Odin. Doom with Galactus' powers would beat Galactus or FP Tyrant let's not kid ourselves.

You do understand the difference between looking to TEST your might... PREPPING and AMPING for a fight.. as opposed to... not looking for a fight, in fact, seeking somebody help who is tyring to fight you.. Not prepping or amping. Which one do you think go the more powerful Thanos? I mean this is common sense were WWK. Tryant got the more powerful version.. and yet.. in a much shorter fight admitted he would be killed if he stayed. That speaks volumes about who Thanos thought was superior having felt both of their powers. That person would be Tyrant.

Next, you have this idea where Thanos doean't fear dying or even wants to die because of his love for Mistress death. This couldn't be furhter from the truth.. and shows a very limited knowledge of the character that you have. Thanos on COUNTLESS occasions has fought for his life and or left when the going got tough. If he had this mindset you're talking about... They in each one of those situations where he was fighting back or leaving when the going got tough.. why would he if we bought into your simplistic view of Thanos that he doesn't care if he dies. Of course he cares if he dies and has tried to not make that happen COUNTELSS times.

Next, I think you're forgetting the fact that Tyrant GAINED most of if not all his power back when he decided to come out of hiding. The narration makes this crystal clear... To paraphrase... NOw that I've gained my power back.. I'm ready to challenge Galactus and rule the Universe. So clearly, after many many years Tyrant has been slowly gaining his power back along with much needed experience with his powers. People often think DP Tyrant was much weaker than FP and that isn't the case. He seemed to be only smaller in size than the original version.

Next, you act like Galactus OWNED Tyrant the first time they met... A battle that lasts thousands of years.. with galaxies destroyed as a side effect ISN'T an easy battle. There is no way on earth it ever could be. An easy battle is one shotting somebody or two or three shotting somebody. A battle that lasts THAT long and destroys that much stuff... is far from an easy battle. Thus, it makes perfect sense that if Tyrant had gained all his pwoer back.. he was once again a real threat to Galactus just like he was before. Which would expalin why Galactus TREATED him as such. He treated Tyant like he was a a major player and went out of character even for him. When he's dealt with Ego, Mephisto, Aug. and many others.. he treats them like they are well beneath him.. they ow dare they think they can even challenge him. He does this even in a STARVING state. Yet, against Tyrant he was VERY concerned about a battle with him. So much so that he prepped and feed like he hadn't in years just to battle him. SS confirms how big a threat Tyrant is.. when is shows via narration him saying... I have to hurry to the battle before they BOTH destroy one another. To act like Tyrant wsn't a threat is just plain silly.

Point is, Tyrant is above Odin and their common foes show that exact same thing.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
you quoted the wrong post?

Lol BIG P.G. now you can read my essay two times!! LOL

Originally posted by Sundipped
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And don't forget about this one, the most vicious one that probably made Thanos finally realize he's out of his league and admit that Tyrant has the power to kill him. The challenge was over, it was time to teleport after this one. That button on his belt saved him.

EVERY blast [B]propelled Thanos. There was no tanking or charging through anything from Tyrant. [/B]

On the flip side Sundipped, Thanos's attacks had (for all practical purposes) zero effect on Odin; couldnt bulge him while Thanos's attacks on Tyrant actually were affecting him...

If anything, based on those observations:

Odins Durability>>>Tyrants Durability

Tyrants Offensive Output>>>Odins Offensive Output

Of course, to play Devils Advocate against it all, neither Tyrant nor Odin brought out there full strength against Thanos...

Tyrant didnt leech off of his storehouse of goods...

Odin didnt amp up off of Asgard, the Asgardian Race, call the Destroyer, nor use his strongest weapon...the Sceptre of Power.

Ultimately, because neither opponent brought out their full strength against Thanos, using Thanos as a measing stick to how powerful each of them is, is futile...

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Lol BIG P.G. happy now?

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
On the flip side Sundipped, Thanos's attacks had (for all practical purposes) [b]zero effect on Odin; couldnt bulge him while Thanos's attacks on Tyrant actually were affecting him...

If anything, based on those observations:

Odins Durability>>>Tyrants Durability

Tyrants Offensive Output>>>Odins Offensive Output

Woot.

Of course, to play Devils Advocate against it all, [b]neither Tyrant nor Odin brought out there full strength against Thanos...

Tyrant didnt leech off of his storehouse of goods...

Odin didnt amp up off of Asgard, the Asgardian Race, call the Destroyer, nor use his strongest weapon...the Sceptre of Power.

Ultimately, because neither opponent brought out their full strength against Thanos, using Thanos as a measing stick to how powerful each of them is, is futile... [/B]

Thanos had six issues of prep and an amp vs Tyrant and he went looking for a fight. He had NONE of that vs Odin and he went there seeking his aid in curing Thor.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Next, I think you're forgetting the fact that Tyrant GAINED most of if not all his power back when he decided to come out of hiding. The narration makes this crystal clear... To paraphrase... NOw that I've gained my power back.. I'm ready to challenge Galactus and rule the Universe. So clearly, after many many years Tyrant has been slowly gaining his power back along with much needed experience with his powers. People often think DP Tyrant was much weaker than FP and that isn't the case. He seemed to be only smaller in size than the original version.

Next, you act like Galactus OWNED Tyrant the first time they met... A battle that lasts thousands of years.. with galaxies destroyed as a side effect ISN'T an easy battle. There is no way on earth it ever could be.

STATED ON PANEL.

Originally posted by zopzop

And according to this, Galactus' Output >>>>>> Tyrant or Odin yet Galactus' durability <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<Tyrant <<<<<<<Odin!

Woot.

And of course to play double Devil's Advocate, Odin didn't do much to Thanos either till he whipped out his Spear, so obviously he thought he needed to up his game.

Thanos had six issues of prep and an amp vs Tyrant and he went looking for a fight. He had NONE of that vs Odin and he went there seeking his aid in curing Thor. [/B]

Fair enough... 👆

But Thanos still was unable to do anything to Odin despite trying to hurt him (he amped his punch with plasma, so he wasnt holding back) and Odin (as we both know) could have brought ALOT more to the table than he did...

Odin didnt even assume Giant Size against Thanos...

It just appears to me that Odin was trying to put Thanos down with the minimal amount of power needed to do the trick (his initial attack against Thanos looked to be the same as the attack he one shotted Drax with; Odin simply added to his attacks from there); again, there was alot he could have done against Thanos that he didnt do...

@zopzop

Btw, as pertains to Galactus...

We cant consider Galactus in alot of discussions as he is blatantly, intentionally, jobbed just to show some other character off...it happens way too often with him.

Odin, on the other hand, hardly ever jobs; he's strong and portrayed that way a large majority of the time...

Tyrant simply doesnt have enough "real" showings for my tastes; the writer change killed Tyrant for me as that disgrace of a comic where the writter jobbed Galactus out as someone with sub-human intelligence to make Tyrant look good destroyed all suspension of disbelief the character held for me...

They really need to bring Tyrant back and do him "right" this time around; then we could settle this debate once and for all...

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
@zopzop

Btw, as pertains to Galactus...

We cant consider Galactus in alot of discussions as he is blatantly, intentionally, jobbed just to show some other character off...it happens way too often with him.

Odin, on the other hand, hardly ever jobs; he's strong and portrayed that way a large majority of the time...

Tyrant simply doesnt have enough "real" showings for my tastes; the writer change killed Tyrant for me as that disgrace of a comic where the writter jobbed Galactus out as someone with sub-human intelligence to make Tyrant look good destroyed all suspension of disbelief the character held for me...

They really need to bring Tyrant back and do him "right" this time around; then we could settle this debate once and for all...

Show me an instance where Galactus jobbed while at full power then we can continue on from there.

Tyrant had three writers handle him : Marz (his creator), Lackey (the moron) and Gallagher (post death story).

Under Marz, he was a peer to Galactus, according to Galactus' own words and actions. His orbs were his source of power.

Under Lackey, Galactus needed to amp and prep to take on Tyrant. As sh|tty a writer as Lackey was, this was a direct nod to Marz' writing when Galactus told Surfer he'd face Tyrant on his own terms. Lackey seems to ignore the orbs and state that Tyrant's power comes from the biosphere of every planet in the universe. Tyrant is also a technopath.

Under Gallagher, the Orbs are reintroduced and they are sought after by Jakar so he can gain enough power to beat his rival, the Stranger. Tyrant's technopathy is also restated here.

Tyrant, even DP Tyrant, was a peer to Galactus and Galactus feared a showdown with him. That's stated under two of the three writers that handled Tyrant.

The case is pretty much closed.

Originally posted by zopzop
Not really. The only times Galactus "jobbed' was when he was weakened somehow or starving. That's not really jobbing.

Show me an instance where Galactus jobbed while at full power then we can continue on from there.

Tyrant had three writers handle him : Marz (his creator), Lackey (the moron) and Gallagher (post death story).

Under Marz, he was a peer to Galactus, according to Galactus' own words and actions. His orbs were his source of power.

Under Lackey, Galactus needed to amp and prep to take on Tyrant. As sh|tty a writer as Lackey was, this was a direct nod to Marz' writing when Galactus told Surfer he'd face Tyrant on his own terms. Lackey seems to ignore the orbs and state that Tyrant's power comes from the biosphere of every planet in the universe. Tyrant is also a technopath.

Under Gallagher, the Orbs are reintroduced and they are sought after by Jakar so he can gain enough power to beat his rival, the Stranger. Tyrant's technopathy is also restated here.

Tyrant, even DP Tyrant, was a peer to Galactus and Galactus feared a showdown with him. That's stated under two of the three writers that handled Tyrant.

The case is pretty much closed.

Off the top of my head, a fed Galactus was losing (jobbing) to Agamotto; Galactus acted like he was fighting a "mere catapillar" and even Dr Strange realized that it wasnt a "mere catapillar" and knew that brute force wouldnt do the trick, but Galactus didnt realize this...yeah, jobber Galactus.

Edit: give me a bit and a bet I can come up with other instances...

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Off the top of my head, a fed Galactus was losing (jobbing) to Agamotto; Galactus acted like he was fighting a "mere catapillar" and even Dr Strange realized that it wasnt a "mere catapillar" and knew that brute force wouldnt do the trick, but Galactus didnt realize this...yeah, jobber Galactus.

Edit: give me a bit and a bet I can come up with other instances...

Keep in mind Galactus "don't do magic" (I believe this was actually stated on panel too).

So he didn't job by stalemating 1/3 of the Vishanti in that members own dimension.

@zopzop

Hell, recently, they made Thor smash Galactus's dome! You dont think Galactus was jobbing to Thor to make Thor look good? I sure as heck do...

abc logic for the failz.

Originally posted by zopzop
Galactus was holding his own in the realm of an Elder God. How is that jobbing? If anything Agamotto was the one doing the jobbing.

Keep in mind Galactus "don't do magic" (I believe this was actually stated on panel too).

So he didn't job by stalemating 1/3 of the Vishanti in that members own dimension.

So:

1) Fighting like a complete idiot...

2) Failing to realize that a LARGE TALKING CATAPILLAR is more than a "mere catapillar"...

3) Being near Omniscient and failing to realize the above and that a physical approach isnt the way to win...

Add all that up, and Galactus jobbed bigtime; he's written as an idiot way too often...

They job him at will...you really want to argue that zopzop?

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
@zopzop

Hell, recently, they made Thor smash Galactus's dome! You dont think Galactus was jobbing to Thor to make Thor look good? I sure as heck do...

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
So:

1) Fighting like a complete idiot...

2) Failing to realize that a LARGE TALKING CATAPILLAR is more than a "mere catapillar"...

3) Being near Omniscient and failing to realize the above and that a physical approach isnt the way to win...

Add all that up, and Galactus jobbed bigtime; he's written as an idiot way too often...

They job him at will...you really want to argue that zopzop?

Brawling and "eye blasting" is what he does. Almost ALWAYS. Only exception I can remember is the Odin fight.

That's not jobbing. He was stalemating an Elder God and 1/3 of the Visthanti in that members HOME REALM.

EDIT :
Brawling the Sphinx. I'm sure you get the picture now.