Odin (in Destroyer) vs. Tyrant

So a High Herald has that kind of effect (with a mere flying hammer attack; not amped at all) on a being thats beyond a Skyfather and you are ok with that and dont consider it jobbing?

We agree to disagree; Thor shouldnt be able to scratch Galactus...no High Herald should be able to scratch a being thats beyond a High Skyfather and you know it...Galactus jobbed.

As pertains Galactus vs Agamotto, you ignore the idiocy on Galactus's part? He didnt even know what he was fighting, but a normal human magic user knew it instantly...which of them was shown to be near omniscent on panel? LoL...Galactus jobbed; his intellect and near Omniscience was written way down.

@zopzop

To respond to your comment on Galactus always getting physical...

Do you know why he always gets physical!? Because hes written as a big dumb brick with energy projection; his heralds use the Power Cosmic more creatively than he does...

Hell, Proteus has shown more creativity than Galactus ever has with his powerset...

Despite being one of the greatest powers in the universe, he cant seem to get around to using his matter/energy manipulating power in combat; nor can he speed blitz or time stop or do any of the creative things less powerful characters do with inferior power sets...

LoL...Galactus jobs constantly given what he is supposed to be...he's in the same boat as Eternity as far as I can see...except Galactus is made a fool of more often as he has more appearances.

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
On the flip side Sundipped, Thanos's attacks had (for all practical purposes) [b]zero effect on Odin; couldnt bulge him while Thanos's attacks on Tyrant actually were affecting him...

If anything, based on those observations:

Odins Durability>>>Tyrants Durability

Tyrants Offensive Output>>>Odins Offensive Output

Of course, to play Devils Advocate against it all, neither Tyrant nor Odin brought out there full strength against Thanos...

Tyrant didnt leech off of his storehouse of goods...

Odin didnt amp up off of Asgard, the Asgardian Race, call the Destroyer, nor use his strongest weapon...the Sceptre of Power.

Ultimately, because neither opponent brought out their full strength against Thanos, using Thanos as a measing stick to how powerful each of them is, is futile... [/B]

You're forgetting the importance of the orb in the fight.
Equation goes like this:
Tyrant offensive output>>>>>>Odin offensive output
Tyrant labeled superior by an amped Thanos>>>>>Inability to admit superiority or visibly affect Odin.

And the best gauge to use is the fights between the same opponent. You want to allude that Odin and Tyrant were not really trying but even if that ,the fight was way shorter and Tyrant did more damage to an augmented Thanos in a shorter period. Just think if Thanos would've faced Tyrant straight up like he did Odin, how much shorter it would have been then?

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
So a High Herald has that kind of effect (with a mere flying hammer attack; not amped at all) on a being thats beyond a Skyfather and you are ok with that and dont consider it jobbing?

We agree to disagree; Thor shouldnt be able to scratch Galactus...no High Herald should be able to scratch a being thats beyond a High Skyfather and you know it...Galactus jobbed.

As pertains Galactus vs Agamotto, you ignore the idiocy on Galactus's part? He didnt even know what he was fighting, but a normal human magic user knew it instantly...which of them was shown to be near omniscent on panel? LoL...Galactus jobbed; his intellect and near Omniscience was written way down.

You keep bringing up Galactus' lack of creativity with his powers during the Agamotto fight. But what about Agamotto himself? He did nothing but brawl with Galactus also. If anyone is capable of doing crazy things with their powers SURELY it would be a mystic being on the level of an Elder God in the realm where that God's power is supreme.

Fact is, Galactus did NOT job by STALEMATING an Elder God in that Elder's own realm.

Likewise Eternity. ALL the times he's "jobbed" to Nightmare or the Ancient One, he wasn't really jobbing. In both those examples HE ALLOWED those things to happen for his own reasons. It's even stated on panel.

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
@zopzop

To respond to your comment on Galactus always getting physical...

Do you know why he always gets physical!? Because hes written as a big dumb brick with energy projection; his heralds use the Power Cosmic more creatively than he does...

Hell, Proteus has shown more creativity than Galactus ever has with his powerset...

Despite being one of the greatest powers in the universe, he cant seem to get around to using his matter/energy manipulating power in combat; nor can he speed blitz or time stop or do any of the creative things less powerful characters do with inferior power sets...

LoL...Galactus jobs constantly given what he is supposed to be...he's in the same boat as Eternity as far as I can see...except Galactus is made a fool of more often as he has more appearances.

Originally posted by curryman
Let's tally up the votes of people who think Odin wins or [b]breaks even

Iceman
Damborgson
Leo
Me
Whitewitchking
ZopZop
guy
The darkone
Stoic
zeel
dampyre
Rage
Lannfear
darkodin
Horrificus
Lordof murder
h1a8

Against 2 or 3 guys against (namely you and quanchi)
And that's just from the first 4 pages!

Now how in the world is that just Leo going on? [/B]

Welcome aboard zopzop! 😄

Originally posted by Sundipped
You're forgetting the importance of the orb in the fight.
Equation goes like this:
Tyrant offensive output>>>>>>Odin offensive output
Tyrant labeled superior by an amped Thanos>>>>>Inability to admit superiority or visibly affect Odin.

And the best gauge to use is the fights between the same opponent. You want to allude that Odin and Tyrant were not really trying but even if that ,the fight was way shorter and Tyrant did more damage to an augmented Thanos in a shorter period. Just think if Thanos would've faced Tyrant straight up like he did Odin, how much shorter it would have been then?

Or, maybe he was just too busy FONDLING them all the time. 😱

Not sure what Thanos being literally no threat to Odin at all has to do with this thread, but okay.

What other characters do they have in common? Which other characters have fought both Odin and Tyrant? Or, been slammed by both?

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Not sure what Thanos being literally no threat to Odin at all has to do with this thread, but okay.

lol

i've been trying to figure that out for a dozen pages or so..... maybe you'll have better luck.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Not sure what Thanos being literally no threat to Odin at all has to do with this thread, but okay.

I'm more shocked that people are taking Odin's comments about Thanos at face value and even believe that Thanos could have turned things around if the fight continued.

Compare Odin vs. Thanos to Odin vs. Surtur, Odin vs. Mangog, Odin vs. the Dark Gods, Odin vs. Forsung, Odin vs. Seth, Odin vs. Galactus, etc.

Those guys had Odin on the ropes or even beat him. Thanos didn't do shit. And Odin hadn't even tapped into his full power based on the vast history of all of Odin's other fights. Yet we're to take at face value that Thanos has an source of power equal/similiar to Odin's own just because Odin (read: Jim Starlin) said so?

I'm all for using character statements IF they make sense and IF they coincide with the majority of showings of a character, but really, Odin being a charitable old coot doesn't mean Thanos didn't get his ass kicked and would have been off far worse if Odin continued the Asgardian SmackDown. That fight is, however, a huge testament to Thanos' freakish durability, which has always been far superior than his offensive output, imo.

Originally posted by Horrificus
What other characters do they have in common? Which other characters have fought both Odin and Tyrant? Or, been slammed by both?

no one. thanos and galactus and some high heralds. so basically we have an amped odin (i think we can logically assume the armor would amp odin, imo) vs someone who is below galactus (when he was cut by tyrant, what level was he supposed to be at zop, do you remember?) it mystifies me how people can be so adamant about a stomp for tyrant.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
I'm more shocked that people are taking Odin's comments about Thanos at face value and even believe that Thanos could have turned things around if the fight continued.

Compare Odin vs. Thanos to Odin vs. Surtur, Odin vs. Mangog, Odin vs. the Dark Gods, Odin vs. Forsung, Odin vs. Seth, Odin vs. Galactus, etc.

Those guys had Odin on the ropes or even beat him. Thanos didn't do shit. And Odin hadn't even tapped into his full power based on the vast history of all of Odin's other fights. Yet we're to take at face value that Thanos has an source of power equal/similiar to Odin's own just because Odin (read: Jim Starlin) said so?

I'm all for using character statements IF they make sense and IF they coincide with the majority of showings of a character, but really, Odin being a charitable old coot doesn't mean Thanos didn't get his ass kicked and would have been off far worse if Odin continued the Asgardian SmackDown. That fight is, however, a huge testament to Thanos' freakish durability, which has always been far superior than his offensive output, imo.

some of those other fights were brought up. there is some.....wide disagreement in interpretations--in particular the galactus fight and the relative closeness of that battle, and what it meant to their respective levels of power. the destroyer scene in particular was viewed very differently.

Originally posted by leonidas
some of those other fights were brought up. there is some.....wide disagreement in interpretations--in particular the galactus fight and the relative closeness of that battle, and what it meant to their respective levels of power. the destroyer scene in particular was viewed very differently.

Personally, I felt Fraction was clear in his intent:

Galactus > Odin.

The gap wasn't nearly as huge as people think or would it like to be - especially not given some of Odin's WTFlevel feats - but it's there. I think people assume that Galactus' status and significance to the universe should always reflect in his power, and really, that's just not the case and hasn't been for the majority of his appearances. Call it PIS or cosmic jobbing or whatever, but Galactus as a character always varies in formidability and power.

I mean, hell, Thanos was able to send Galactus flying from a single blast and forced him to expend energy in their brief encounter in spite of the inevitability of the outcome. I'd imagine Odin would fare better. And imo, he did.

Originally posted by leonidas
no one. thanos and galactus and some high heralds. so basically we have an amped odin (i think we can logically assume the armor would amp odin, imo) vs someone who is below galactus (when he was cut by tyrant, what level was he supposed to be at zop, do you remember?) it mystifies me how people can be so adamant about a stomp for tyrant.

Not Galactus' blasts (which Tyrant absorbed), nor his physical attacks (which Tyrant regened from) nor his machines (which Tyrant took over) saved a FULLY fed (and stated by him that the world he feasted on was rich in biospheric energies and he hadn't felt that powerful in eons) Galactus ON HIS HOME TURF from Tyrant.

So make of that what you will.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Personally, I felt Fraction was clear in his intent:

Galactus > Odin.

The gap wasn't nearly as huge as people think or would it like to be - especially not given some of Odin's WTFlevel feats - but it's there. I think people assume that Galactus' status and significance to the universe should always reflect in his power, and really, that's just not the case and hasn't been for the majority of his appearances. Call it PIS or cosmic jobbing or whatever, but Galactus as a character always varies in formidability and power.

I mean, hell, Thanos was able to send Galactus flying from a single blast and forced him to expend energy in their brief encounter in spite of the inevitability of the outcome. I'd imagine Odin would fare better. And imo, he did.

Well said.

Originally posted by zopzop
Tyrant is NOT below Galactus. At least not since he reappeared on the scene from his exile, that much was stated and shown on panel.

Not Galactus' blasts (which Tyrant absorbed), nor his physical attacks (which Tyrant regened from) nor his machines (which Tyrant took over) saved a FULLY fed (and stated by him that the world he feasted on was rich in biospheric energies and he hadn't felt that powerful in eons) Galactus ON HIS HOME TURF from Tyrant.

So make of that what you will.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Personally, I felt Fraction was clear in his intent:

Galactus > Odin.

The gap wasn't nearly as huge as people think or would it like to be - especially not given some of Odin's WTFlevel feats - but it's there. I think people assume that Galactus' status and significance to the universe should always reflect in his power, and really, that's just not the case and hasn't been for the majority of his appearances. Call it PIS or cosmic jobbing or whatever, but Galactus as a character always varies in formidability and power.

I mean, hell, Thanos was able to send Galactus flying from a single blast and forced him to expend energy in their brief encounter in spite of the inevitability of the outcome. I'd imagine Odin would fare better. And imo, he did.

Pretty much. Especially since it was pointed out Galactus was injured and hungry IIRC. Surfer even claimed that finishing off the regular Asgardian army was beyond him.

So while Galactus was ultimately the last man standing, it wasn't without great cost to his power/reserves. And he fed before that fight.

Never understood why people think Odin should be far below Galactus, made no sense to me.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
So while Galactus was ultimately the last man standing, it wasn't without great cost to his power/reserves. And he fed before that fight.

Never understood why people think Odin should be far below Galactus, made no sense to me.

On the other hand you have a being older than the current universe that acts as the balancing force between two elite abstracts.

It makes perfect sense.

A character's status in the universe =/= same character's power.

Superman is hands down the single most important being in the DC Universe. Doesn't make him the single most powerful being in the DC Universe.