Unicron Vs John Mcclane, Korben Dallas, Joe Colton (G.I.Joe), and Butch(pulp fiction)

Originally posted by Newjak
Even if that were true, based on your track record I will rewatch the scene cause I'm not sure of if what you say is true or not, it does changes the bearings of my statement. The head was next to an explosion that destroyed a planet-sized transformer, We already know it didn't come away unscathed it's incredibly slim odds anything inside of that head wasn't damaged or warped.

And even if that was the case that means the head can survive planetary level destruction so that had to be one powerful drill.

his head was nowhere near the explosion. it popped off long before his body blew up.

and please: keep unfairly calling me a liar, and ignore your previous accusations when you are proven wrong. it makes you look really mature.

:edit: it wont play here so you'll have to click the link, but this is the entire matrix scene. his head was NOWHERE about when he exploded. its blatant that you are WRONG. AGAIN.

YouTube video

ok, here you go. 18 second clip of his death

i look forward to you ignoring this evidence, declaring that its inconsequential anyway although you brought it up, and continuing to call me a liar. 👆

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now that i've reflected, i take that part back about calling me a liar. that was actually your sidekick that liked pulling that card. so my bad.

but you must understand, when one unequivocally backs someone else's every word, for 5 pages of this maverick and goose routine, these misunderstanding occur.

Originally posted by Newjak
I want to clarify something here. Are you saying we can not use feats from the tv show, despite the fact they are the exact same characters and the movie was made using the exact same characters from the show?

Using Star Wars to try and say no is a bad example by the way because they had degrees cannonicity to begin with with what was based on George Lucas' discretion until he sold Star Wars.

Those feats from the show are canon to the characters from the movie.

Nah theres smiply no EU used here in debates. MVF ruling and ask Ush too..

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Ah, and so I was not entirely wrong afterall... As per mod. Thank you NJ, You made my day 🙂

You were and now Newjak is too. Sorry you seem to be confused on the issue still. EU is a (rightly) dirty word on KMC due to the horseshite contained within it.

but imho the TV show is not EU. i dont think its as cut and dry with the topic of G1 film/series. comic book stuff is certainly out but the movie was essentially a 90 minute episode of the series, which preceded and continued within the exact same continuity (was that redundant?)

again, think firefly/serenity

as a point of reference in forum protocol i present "clone wars" which ush seemed to have decided was fair canon since george lucas acknowledged it. not sure where he stands on that now since GL is presently out of the picture. hopefully the issue never arises again since clone wars sucks.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero

If I had said that anywhere, please quote it. My point is that it's not something the Exosuit can dupicate at all, ever.

Blasters is blasters, and Arcee did fine, as did everyone else shooting that day. For Unicron isn't magically invulnerable to attack.

The hell? The technobots are MADE from the same material as Unicron's head anyway. Not something the exosuits can claim, it could be called unobtanium for all I care, but it is clearly not the same stuff as common earth steel.

Since noone is proposing that the exosuit would headbutt its way through this point is moot, and you have zero evidence that the suit isn't made of cybertronian metals.

Circumstances that surroud those events, which have been pointed out to you already, cast severe doubt as to wether or not that would ever even work the way your seeming to predict it would. AND, lets be clear here, the Willis clones are mostly clueless with reguards to technology, especially true for John Mcclane going by DH4.0. How are they ever expected to know to hit anything vital?

McClane is supernaturally lucky and was observed as having been born with a four leaf clover up his ass. Its unlikely that he'd consciously need to know Unicron's technical blueprints inside out here.

Originally posted by focus4chumps
but imho the TV show is not EU. i dont think its as cut and dry with the topic of G1 film/series. comic book stuff is certainly out but the movie was essentially a 90 minute episode of the series, which preceded and continued within the exact same continuity (was that redundant?)

again, think firefly/serenity

as a point of reference in forum protocol i present "clone wars" which ush seemed to have decided was fair canon since george lucas acknowledged it. not sure where he stands on that now since GL is presently out of the picture. hopefully the issue never arises again since clone wars sucks.

I agree that the show is meant to follow the movie continuity, but the Star Wars rulings are what they are still, as do general EU.
(Which the TV series of TFS is, compared to the comic)

But "No TV series here" is the bottom line still.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
I agree that the show is meant to follow the movie continuity

reverse that: the movie was meant to follow the show continuity. not to quibble over words, but thats the actual thing.

According to Flint Dille it was... they wrote season 2 episodes to herald it, and the season 3 stuff was directly linked also.
They even wrote Primes death knowing they were planning to bring him back, according to him...

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
According to Flint Dille it was... they wrote season 2 episodes to herald it, and the season 3 stuff was directly linked also.
They even wrote Primes death knowing they were planning to bring him back, according to him...

shit. alrighty then.

well that negates all talk of grimlocks new brain then.

however i maintain disagreement because it really doesnt matter what entities altered the continuity for the sake of the film. the movie was made to follow the continuity of the series
regardless.

Fair enough.

REPORTED!!!

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
You were and now Newjak is too. Sorry you seem to be confused on the issue still. EU is a (rightly) dirty word on KMC due to the horseshite contained within it.

It's strange, because I coulda sworn that Star Wars has an EU forum and everything on KMC...

Oh wait, yes it does.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Blasters is blasters, and Arcee did fine, as did everyone else shooting that day. For Unicron isn't magically invulnerable to attack.

False equivelancy, and without evidence to back that supposition as well. The Exosuit elbow blasters have one, and only one, on-screen demonstration, and it does not compare to Arcee's weapon, nevermind any other autobots.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Since noone is proposing that the exosuit would headbutt its way through this point is moot, and you have zero evidence that the suit isn't made of cybertronian metals.

Since i have Focus on ignore now, I can't see or quote his points, but IIRC he did bring up the strength boost as one point as to how the suits could tear down walls, and then cited Nosecone as evidence on how they do it. He essentially claimed that the suits are able to apply the same amount of force with a punch as Nosecone applies with the tip of a drill bit the size of a motorcycle, which is ludicrous. I certainly did not start that train wreck.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
McClane is supernaturally lucky and was observed as having been born with a four leaf clover up his ass. Its unlikely that he'd consciously need to know Unicron's technical blueprints inside out here.

Unquantifiable. You can't use random chance as a scientific certainty.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero

Especially since your OP pretty much breaks the rules Impediment set in place with This. And this is why I asked for clarification.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Ya know what, I'm reporting this because it's obvious trolling and for no ther reason than to be a smart@$$. I'm not having it.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero

This is like dealing with a brain dead monkey...

Nor does it answer any of the other points I raised so basically this is a dead thread with a person who enjoys worshipping Bruce Willis's..... Nevermind.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
You sir are an IDIOT!

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Either way, I win, and you can stop chugging Brucie's loads now. I think he is a bit red raw at this point.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero

Also, I have no idea why you decided to reignite the shitflinging again, but knock it off, or you are going back on my ignore list permanently, then you can go back to barking after every one of Sadako's posts like a Chihuahua

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
I can't work with this insulting reprobate any longer, you are a welcome first addition to my ignore list.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Since i have Focus on ignore now, I can't see or quote his points

and my personal favorite:

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
I'm sorry Focus, but this is pure bullshit. You never said which Unicron we are using, as even G1 has several incarnations, including a God of Chaos variant from the comics.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
I didn't even state anything to do with comic canon you liar. What I said was "clarify which version" to which you bawwed like a b!tch.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
It's strange, because I coulda sworn that Star Wars has an EU forum and everything on KMC...

Oh wait, yes it does.
If you have conviction behind your beliefs, then go start this argument with Ush, who mods the SW sections please, or Impediment who runs this one..

And I could have sworn its kept seperate from all SW movies VS debates... oh wait... yes....it is!!!

False equivelancy, and without evidence to back that supposition as well. The Exosuit elbow blasters have one, and only one, on-screen demonstration, and it does not compare to Arcee's weapon, nevermind any other autobots.

And you're basing that assumption/assertion on WHAT exactly..?

Since i have Focus on ignore now, I can't see or quote his points, but IIRC he did bring up the strength boost as one point as to how the suits could tear down walls, and then cited Nosecone as evidence on how they do it. He essentially claimed that the suits are able to apply the same amount of force with a punch as Nosecone applies with the tip of a drill bit the size of a motorcycle, which is ludicrous. I certainly did not start that train wreck.

Ah but you're still b!tching about him though.
'With arm cannons' was the most obvious implication I got from his posts.

Unquantifiable. You can't use random chance as a scientific certainty.

Originally posted by focus4chumps

[quote=Darkstorm Zero]Especially since your OP pretty much breaks the rules Impediment set in place with This. And this is why I asked for clarification.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Ya know what, I'm reporting this because it's obvious trolling and for no ther reason than to be a smart@$$. I'm not having it.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
This is like dealing with a brain dead monkey...

Nor does it answer any of the other points I raised so basically this is a dead thread with a person who enjoys worshipping Bruce Willis's..... Nevermind.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
You sir are an IDIOT!

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Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Either way, I win, and you can stop chugging Brucie's loads now. I think he is a bit red raw at this point.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Also, I have no idea why you decided to reignite the shitflinging again, but knock it off, or you are going back on my ignore list permanently, then you can go back to barking after every one of Sadako's posts like a Chihuahua

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Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
I can't work with this insulting reprobate any longer, you are a welcome first addition to my ignore list.

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Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Since i have Focus on ignore now, I can't see or quote his points

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Originally posted by focus4chumps
and my personal favorite:

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Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
I'm sorry Focus, but this is pure bullshit. You never said which Unicron we are using, as even G1 has several incarnations, including a God of Chaos variant from the comics.

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Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
I didn't even state anything to do with comic canon you liar. What I said was "clarify which version" to which you bawwed like a b!tch.

LOL 😂

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
And I could have sworn its kept seperate from all SW movies VS debates... oh wait... yes....it is!!!

If EU was as dirty as you claim, then why have a forum dedicated to it? *Shrugs*

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
And you're basing that assumption/assertion on WHAT exactly..?

It's not an assumpton. Arcee's weapon has the feat, the Exosuit does not. So, why are we atributing equivelant power to a weapon that has not demonstrated the capability?

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Ah but you're still b!tching about him though.
'With arm cannons' was the most obvious implication I got from his posts.

Not bitching about him, explaining my position, since you are the one who brought his point back before me. I didn't say that the Exosuit was not made of Cybertronian metals, I was saying that both Unicron, and the Technobots are not. Given that Unicron was not built on Cybertron, and the technobots were built from his remains.

He is the one who claimed that;

A: They have blasters. To which I replied that the blasters only onscreen feat was to shoot out a hydraulic arm holding up an acid vat lid. This is, in no way, going to match Nosecone's drill.

And B: he immediately followed up with the fact that the Exosuits increase the wearers strength to lift and toss big slabs of metal. To which I again replied that there is no way the Willises are going to ramrain through that.

Now, let me be clear here, if the Exosuits had enough physical strength to replicate Nosecone's drill, you'd have to find a feat several dozen orders of magnitude higher than lifting a girder or a chunk of junk.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Nothing random about it, after 5 Die Hard movies.

Does not matter. Random chance is random chance.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
If EU was as dirty as you claim, then why have a forum dedicated to it? *Shrugs*

Does not matter. Random chance is random chance.

Right, but that doesn't apply to McClane and that which goes on with him. Random chance is 50/50..... his is supernaturally more than that.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Because it contradicts screenfeats (the only thing that matters in VS debates) and at its worst is basically fanfic.
Simples.

Depends on the genre and the source material, and wether or not the license holders have scales of canon or canon rules to follow.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
"The feat" whats that then...? Both shoot shit and shit blows up.

Because one feat in terms of actual damage blows the other out of the water.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Oh ok. Just you came across as implying that the reason Nosecone could penetrate is that they were somehow of the same grade of metals. Good that you just cleared that up, then.

No, not really. Even if both were made out of pig-iron (a very primitive earth made iron), the Drill can apply far more force over a far smaller area rapidly, thats how they work. It's like comparing an industrial saw cutting down a tree compared to an axe. An axe can maybe eventually do the job, but the saw is obviously far better for the job due to it's speed, and efficiency.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Why not?

Because, as I said, Arcee's weapon has shown to be far more effective than the Exosuits.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
They dont have to..they could blast through, or blast something else and use the debris to smash through with.

The first instance could take them an epoch to do, and the second one? see above, you can't bludgeon through something because something else drilled through it.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
As noted, no one is comparing the apple that is blunt force truma to the orange of energy weapons.

Isn't that what you did just above? And I'm not being a smartass in asking this, so forgive me if me asking seems that way, but didn't you just say they could smash thrugh with debris? that is still blunt force trauima isn't it? 😕

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Right, but that doesn't apply to McClane and that which goes on with him. Random chance is 50/50..... his is supernaturally more than that.

Actually, debending on the situation, the odds depend on what he is trying to accomplish at any given moment. It could be 50/50, or it could be fractals of a percentage to his favour. I could easily name 50 people from any medium who could lay claim to having just as much, or better luck. This is why VS debates usually are not decided by act of fate. Unless it's Duke Nukem... 😛