Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
I dont think its a massive assumption. I think it can, be actioned on that Unicron clearly wasn't made of pure indestructability, by screen feats.
And yet again, Moon base 2 blowing up still proves that both internallyn and externally, he should have pretty much been immune to any small arms weapons. It is, once again catch 22. The moon base 2 event took place on screen, so for these arguments to have meaning, you have to disreguard one set of onscreen feats in favour of the other, one cannot have it both ways because they contradict eachother.
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Well are you saying the movie should never be debated?
Just because it shows Unicron as being made of material that was destructable? The movie was the most consistant that the G1 animated ever got.
I don't really care one way or the other who wins, all I'm saying is that for this movie, the feats cancel eachother out. This was the original reason I pressed for clarification earlier.
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
I dont think it was inconsistant anyway. As I say: The thing that made Unicorn able to sustain such damage overall was his size. Taking out a building or even a few blocks can be done these days, but to destroy earth? Different thing. Thusly: I dont see Unicron's getting damaged as inconsistant really.
The thing of it is, that moon was about a third his size, and the explosion actually enveloped him, from the inside out. i'm sorry, but this feat puts his durability and damage soak well beyond what the other screen feats portray.
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
But if this thread isn't to your taste, then feel free to disengage it.
The thread itself, not so much. The stips put in place? simply make debating the G1 movie too awkward and creates circular debates like this. It's nobody's fault, but it happened.
Originally posted by Sadako of GirthHe was more than durable enough to survive what the autobots threw at him.
I dont think its a massive assumption. I think it can, be actioned on that Unicron clearly wasn't made of pure indestructability, by screen feats.Well are you saying the movie should never be debated?
Just because it shows Unicron as being made of material that was destructable? The movie was the most consistant that the G1 animated ever got.I dont think it was inconsistant anyway. As I say: The thing that made Unicorn able to sustain such damage overall was his size. Taking out a building or even a few blocks can be done these days, but to destroy earth? Different thing. Thusly: I dont see Unicron's getting damaged as inconsistant really.
But if this thread isn't to your taste, then feel free to disengage it.
Let's actually recap what managed to do damage.
The Dinobots did superficial damage at best and tehy are some of the most powerful transformers in existence, Galavtron did minor damage to the inside of Unicron despite the fact he can one-shot transformers almost atomizing them in case of Starscream, Arcee made a minor hole inside of a planet-sized transformer, you called it a massive flood but in comparison Unicron might call it a minor blood trickle. A giant space ship was flown through his eye.
Rodimus threw Galvatron threw Unicron who at the time was hopped up on Matrix energy like the Hulk. Remember this is the same Rodimus that was no selling Galvatron's weapon to the chest.
Let's look at what didn't do any damage to him, a moon blowing up and an entire planet of giant sized robots attacking him.
I don't think the group of Transformers inside of him could have taken him down even if you gave them a million years to try.
Originally posted by Sadako of GirthI want to clarify something here. Are you saying we can not use feats from the tv show, despite the fact they are the exact same characters and the movie was made using the exact same characters from the show?
Hmmmmmm are you citing non movie feats again? Yes I think you are.... inconsistencies aside, we have to go with what was seen in the movie, and in the movie only...We saw them get their asses handed to them (save slag) by Devastator...that was pretty much their top feat in the movie.
Im sorry, but Galvatron killed how many planets in the movie? The point is he was thrown through this old armour.
Unicron was in Planet mode and much of the explosive energy was dissipated outside of the open obviously-designed-tough maw, as seen in the movie, leaving loads of debris/energy that took moments to clear.
Using Star Wars to try and say no is a bad example by the way because they had degrees cannonicity to begin with with what was based on George Lucas' discretion until he sold Star Wars.
Those feats from the show are canon to the characters from the movie.
Originally posted by Newjak
I want to clarify something here. Are you saying we can not use feats from the tv show, despite the fact they are the exact same characters and the movie was made using the exact same characters from the show?Using Star Wars to try and say no is a bad example by the way because they had degrees cannonicity to begin with with what was based on George Lucas' discretion until he sold Star Wars.
Those feats from the show are canon to the characters from the movie.
Ah, and so I was not entirely wrong afterall... As per mod. Thank you NJ, You made my day 🙂
you really dont want the G1 series to be considered part of film canon for this topic or the McPocalypse likely wins. look up "grimlock's new brain" and watch how comically easy it is to get inside unicron's brain and blow shit up. i want unicron to have a chance so im leaving it out.
imho the series could be used as valid backing evidence, but not in the case of scaling/appearence since most of the animation of post-movie seasons were pure crap, and the series in general had more glaring illustration/scale/coloring/etc errors than i could ever count.
the off-scale scenes in the movie were for the sake of drama (astrotrains interior being large enough for devastator to do backflips in, galvatron standing outside of unicron suddenly as tall as metroplex standing on omega supreme's shoulders, this sort of thing), or just a small overlooked error, like unicron's halo appearing in front of the building in the intro, giving him the illusion of being a tiny pest.
back to the series as part of film canon, it would be the same if they came out with a movie for any series, as opposed to vice versa. it would be like forbidding episodes of firefly from a discussion on serenity. however inversely (series based on a movie) it would be a horrible irrational idea to allow it.
Originally posted by focus4chumps
you really dont want the G1 series to be considered part of film canon for this topic or the McPocalypse likely wins. look up "grimlock's new brain" and watch how comically easy it is to get inside unicron's brain and blow shit up. i want unicron to have a chance so im leaving it out.
Under normal circumstances, the movie & the series are indistinguishable in terms of continuity. *Shrugs*
Uhm, hold on... Gaining access to a brain throuugh a gaping neck hole in a severed head doesn't take rocket science to figure out... You are surely not seriously suggesting it would be that easy going through Unicron's entire body, which is undamaged and fully functioning... compared to just tackling his severed head that has been adrift and non-functional for over a year.... 😬
Originally posted by Robtard
TV show feats are not allowed in here. Thought we covered this yesterday and the day before and the day before that.
i was just pointing out the potential validity of allowing it since the movie was essentially a 90 minute episode of G1 transformers. it was not a thread tampering attempt on my part.
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Under normal circumstances, the movie & the series are indistinguishable in terms of continuity. *Shrugs*Uhm, hold on... Gaining access to a brain throuugh a gaping neck hole in a severed head doesn't take rocket science to figure out... You are surely not seriously suggesting it would be that easy going through Unicron's entire body, which is undamaged and fully functioning... compared to just tackling his severed head that has been adrift and non-functional for over a year.... 😬
again, you should watch the episode before you act all 100% sure about stuff. "grimlock's new brain". a brain which was guarded by an undamaged wall which was drilled through like drywall by a drill tank autobot. (Quickswitch?) firefight ensues and lots of critical looking brain stuff blows up.
oh and since when does a frikin wall need 'functionality'? its a wall. if its not broken its still a wall.
Originally posted by focus4chumps
again, you should watch the episode before you act all 100% sure about stuff. "grimlock's new brain". a brain which was guarded by an undamaged wall which was drilled through like drywall by a drill tank autobot. (Quickswitch?) firefight ensues and lost of critical looking brain stuff blows up.
And I cannot even begin to tell you how screwed up that line of reasoning is. Seriously, a drill tank doing what it's designed to do, drill through armored fortifications and bulkheads. Unicron's delapitated, and twice over exploded head literally is NOT a fully functioning, undamaged and intact head that the Willis clones are facing, so the point is irrelevant anyways.
Originally posted by focus4chumps
100% pure horseshit.the wall to his brain was undamaged. it was the same wall that existed from his creation, unchanged. stop with your silly clownish downplaying and watch the scene.
I already did, I own it. Listen to what you are being told. EVEN IF THE WALL WAS 100%, YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT A F@#KING DRILL THAT IS DESIGNED TO DO EXACTLY THIS JOB, BY A MEGA-SUPED UP-IN-INTELLIGENCE-THAT-MAKES-PERCEPTOR-LOOK-LIKE-A-CAVEMAN GRIMLOCK!
How in the ever living hell are the Willis clones supposed to replicate this? Are they suddenly going to be springing durabilyum-steel drills out of their collective asses? I hope you gave them some magical lube then...
Seriously, they don't have the weapons of the Transformers, nor the knowlege Grimlock had at that time.
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
I already did, I own it. Listen to what you are being told. EVEN IF THE WALL WAS 100%, YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT A F@#KING DRILL THAT IS [B]DESIGNED TO DO EXACTLY THIS JOB, BY A MEGA-SUPED UP-IN-INTELLIGENCE-THAT-MAKES-PERCEPTOR-LOOK-LIKE-A-CAVEMAN GRIMLOCK! [/B]
"OMG IF I GO ALL CAPS MAYBE MY RIDICULOUSLY FALSE OVERSTATING OF FEATS WILL GO UNNOTICED!!!!!!!!!11111ONEONEELEVENTYONE
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
How in the ever living hell are the Willis clones supposed to replicate this? Are they suddenly going to be springing durabilyum-steel drills out of their collective asses? I hope you gave them some magical lube then...
right so it was actually a magical wall only vulnerable to one particular drill. "durabilyum"? are we trying to shoehorn more comic book nonesense into the discussion for the win, AGAIN?
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Seriously, they don't have the weapons of the Transformers, nor the knowlege Grimlock had at that time.
they have built in blasters and can throw heavy objects, both of which have proven to suck for unicrons insides.