While one exosuit blaster may or may not be as powerful as Arcee's blaster, five of them are and I'm pretty sure at least one Willis here can deduce that concentrating firepower from multiple sources increases the payload. So I don't see them having trouble breaking through a wall, if the need to break through a wall should arise. Wall breaking issue solved.
Originally posted by Robtard
While one exosuit blaster may or may not be as powerful as Arcee's blaster
still nothing to substantiate that claim.
on one hand he tries to sell unicron's metal as being unique and more powerful, and then further overstates by insisting that every part of him is made of this same supposed super-metal which the exosuit obviously cannot destroy since they're so weak.
...in fact the only thing inside unicron NOT made of this special super-metal is the support rod for the smelting vat. unicron actually bought that used at a swap meet somewhere in georgia.
Originally posted by Robtard
While one exosuit blaster may or may not be as powerful as Arcee's blaster, five of them are and I'm pretty sure at least one Willis here can deduce that concentrating firepower from multiple sources increases the payload. So I don't see them having trouble breaking through a wall, if the need to break through a wall should arise. Wall breaking issue solved.
I'm going to say it again, because it really should be obvious, but none of them ever actually broke down a wall. Arcee hit a pipe, and that took several shots, and Daniel hit a hydraulic arm. Galvatron, whose arm cannon actually scored several hits, and even his full canon mode that literally reduced Starscream into a smouldering pile, didn't blow huge gaping holes in the walls and floor where he hit. He caused mostly cosmetic damage, but not massive gaping holes capable of being walked through.
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
I'm going to say it again, because it really should be obvious, but none of them ever actually broke down a wall. Arcee hit a pipe, and that took several shots, and Daniel hit a hydraulic arm. Galvatron, whose arm cannon actually scored several hits, and even his full canon mode that literally reduced Starscream into a smouldering pile, didn't blow huge gaping holes in the walls and floor where he hit. He caused mostly cosmetic damage, but not massive gaping holes capable of being walked through.
They don't need "massive gaping holes" though. They probably don't even need to make any holes to get around inside Unicron, though it might help as a short-cut.
once again: complete horseshit
1:13:00, it clearly was clearly part of the wall, and not a pipe and there was clearly a gaping hole after the first shot hit the wall. second shot and the water streamed in. only 2 shots hit the wall.
Originally posted by focus4chumps
once again: complete horseshithttp://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=UJ9jEMs50CY
1:13:00, it clearly was clearly part of the wall, and not a pipe and there was clearly a gaping hole after the first shot hit the wall. second shot and the water streamed in. only 2 shots hit the wall.
Have to agree, it's clearly not a pipe, but the wall/roof of the structure.
Originally posted by Robtard
Have to agree, it's clearly not a pipe, but the wall/roof of the structure.
#1: You can't see the grating in the grey area where she actually hit?
#2: And what of the previous 2 shots she fired in profile without altering her aim?
#3: And ieven if you are right, and there was no pipe behind that, and all the walls are filled with water/liquid. That still does not discount what I said earlier reguarding Galvatron.
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
#1: You can't see the grating in the grey area where she actually hit?#2: And what of the previous 2 shots she fired in profile without altering her aim?
#3: And ieven if you are right, and there was no pipe behind that, and all the walls are filled with water/liquid. That still does not discount what I said earlier reguarding Galvatron.
-Yes, it's grey, it's also flush against the wall. The pink material on either side looks more like piping, though it's just more wall material by most appearances. I'd also be suspicious of a pipe having "grating". Seems like it would fail as a pipe.
-They seem to have hit tentacles.
-It is just some sort flat wall/material by appearances. Even if you are right and it's some sort of flat/flush pipe with cosmetic grating, what does it matter, or are we to assume that that "pipe" is softer metal simply because? Like the support arm for the melting vat is just weaker material, when it should be stronger, considering it has to deal with high heat.
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Depends on the genre and the source material, and wether or not the license holders have scales of canon or canon rules to follow.
Not according to the SW section's mods.
Go ask Ushgarak or Queeq for further clarification.
Anyway: "MOVIE FEATS ONLY!"
Because one feat in terms of actual damage blows the other out of the water.
They had differing targets. Nothing to suggest that Daniel's blasts couldn't have fractured that particular ceiling.
No, not really. Even if both were made out of pig-iron (a very primitive earth made iron), the Drill can apply far more force over a far smaller area rapidly, thats how they work. It's like comparing an industrial saw cutting down a tree compared to an axe. An axe can maybe eventually do the job, but the saw is obviously far better for the job due to it's speed, and efficiency.
Megatron's Fusion cannon beats this:
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Because, as I said, Arcee's weapon has shown to be far more effective than the Exosuits.
Originally posted by Robtard
-Yes, it's grey, it's also flush against the wall. The pink material on either side looks more like piping, though it's just more wall material by most appearances. I'd also be suspicious of a pipe having "grating". Seems like it would fail as a pipe.
Grating or venting around pipes is actually quite common in older building designs, depending on what is going through them. Sometimes it is used to vent very hot air that gets heated around the pipes, or other cooling purposes. *Shrugs*
Originally posted by Robtard
-They seem to have hit tentacles.
No, those were the prior shots from all 3 transformers, before the scene cut specifically to Arcee aiming and firing 3 to 4 aimed shots at the exact same spot. We only see the latter 2 shots in frame of course, but scene cuts usually work that way.
Originally posted by Robtard
-It is just some sort flat wall/material by appearances. Even if you are right and it's some sort of flat/flush pipe with cosmetic grating, what does it matter, or are we to assume that that "pipe" is softer metal simply because? Like the support arm for the melting vat is just weaker material, when it should be stronger, considering it has to deal with high heat.
No, but piping in a wall grating is obviously not the same thing as a solid wall like were Galvatron and Hotrod are duking it out. If we are to assume that every wall is suddenly wafer thin, then why arn't Galvy's blasts ripping entire sections apart? His gun is obviously much more powerful than Arcee's and the Exosuits, especially when in cannon mode.
The only way you could reconcile that, is to claim that the area they were fighting in was considerably better built than the area Arcee hit, which again breaks the pale in the way Focus decried me of somehow doing.
Originally posted by Darkstorm ZeroNo, but piping in a wall grating is obviously not the same thing as a solid wall like were Galvatron and Hotrod are duking it out.
Oh you mean the solid wall that Galvatron is thrown though instead of Galvatron smashing off of or being consatina'd by when Rodimus throws him through?
That breaks so easily, and offers such a lcak of resistance that Galvatron's flight after penetrating the wall goes on almost uninhibated?
If we are to assume that every wall is suddenly wafer thin, then why arn't Galvy's blasts ripping entire sections apart? His gun is obviously much more powerful than Arcee's and the Exosuits, especially when in cannon mode.The only way you could reconcile that, is to claim that the area they were fighting in was considerably better built than the area Arcee hit, which again breaks the pale in the way Focus decried me of somehow doing.
Galvatron's cannon actually did explode some floor under HotRod in car mode. Watch their battle again.
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Oh you mean the solid wall that Galvatron is thrown though instead of Galvatron smashing off of or being consatina'd by when Rodimus throws him through?
That breaks so easily, and offers such a lcak of resistance that Galvatron's flight after penetrating the wall goes on almost uninhibated?I suppose PIS then? Rodimus was hopped up on Matrix energy, and that enery was buzzing all around Unicron around that point. Plus, it was the only way to ensure galvatron survivd for Season 3. *Shrugs*
[QUOTE=14251254]Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
[B]Galvatron's cannon actually did explode some floor under HotRod in car mode. Watch their battle again.
Like I said earlier, it's mostly cosmetic damage, and perhaps some hull buckling, but nothing like what focus assumed the exosuits would be doing.
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
How do you know? (I mean you call Focus out for 'assuming' yet you've done a fair old bit of that yourself many times over here...)
Because Hotrod didn't fall through the floor, and you couldn't see the other side.
And there is still a big difference bitween what I do, and what he did. For one, I don't grant the exosuits additional capabilities never seen on-screen. I don't assume that the arm blasters are going to act like phasers or lightsabers and make tunnels through Unicron like a bunch of tapeworms either, because that was never ever done by Danny or the other more powerful Transformers. Nad i'm certainly not the one who assumed that the Exosuits are going to "Incredible Hulk Smash" their way through either. Only 7 Transformers have shown they have the physical strength needed for that, the Dinobots, Rodimus hopped up on Matrix juice, and Galvatron.
I didn't see this post earlier, so forgive the double post...
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Not according to the SW section's mods.
Go ask Ushgarak or Queeq for further clarification.
Anyway: "MOVIE FEATS ONLY!"
Which, besides the Drill thing, is the only thing we are debating at the moment.
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
They had differing targets. Nothing to suggest that Daniel's blasts couldn't have fractured that particular ceiling.
We also have nothing to suggest that it could either, considering we have had a grand total of one demonstration of those blasters. I'm not prepared to attribute an undemonstrated capability to a weapon, why are you?
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Blasters are better than drills. Its why Autobots and Decepticons didn't just drill at each other in the show/comic/movie.Megatron's Fusion cannon beats this:
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A human hand held drill is a far cry from Nozecone's drill tank drill...
And melee weapons are used all the time by the Transformers.
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
And as I said, you cannot say that, really, as them both shooting the same objects at the same ranges would have been the way of testing that theory accurately. And that never happened, so you're asserting that based on literally no evidence.
But I am also not casting the assumtion that the Exosuit can match Arcee's feat with literally no evidence either. Your's requires an assumption of matching firepower, mine on the otherhand does not. Until the Exosuit blasters actually does perform a similar feat, we cannot assume it can match or exceed the feat of another weapon.