Unicron Vs John Mcclane, Korben Dallas, Joe Colton (G.I.Joe), and Butch(pulp fiction)

Originally posted by focus4chumps
LOL!!! "the forum title is not relevant".

G1 is the only relevant material as the movie was birthed from that cartoon and not vice versa. beastwars and the rest of that gayness has nothing at all to do with the film cannon of the 1986 film

maybe you should report me again

Not a fan of study still eh?

The G1 series started with the comics, actually.

Beast Wars actually runs in from G1, that is canon despite your protest, as is Beast Machines.

And, just as a kicker for you, Simon Furman, the canon authority on all transformers writing as per hasbro, has stated that ALL unicrons are one and the same, they are all linked, and are all the same being.

So, what do you have to say about that?

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Thats because, as I said, it is IRRELEVANT. You simply refuse to follow the simple rules Impediment layed out, and spluttered your constant refference.

Its not irrelevant in the slightest.
You seem to be ignoring the 'Movie feats only' rule.

"The MVF Golden Rule:
What is seen on screen is canon in these forums. If your character you wish to use has feats/actions/handicaps that contradict what that character did on screen (movie canon), then it is a violation and is illegal. MOVIE FEATS ONLY!"
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f102/t543649.html

There is a reason for Canon scale in Star Wars. Sadako. Like I said, I do most of my debating in Space Battles these days, where Analysis is regulary done, but is not the sole source of information, nor are feats.

Here and in the SW section there is a strict 'No EU rule'.

the G1 incarnation of unicron was borrowed and recreated with a completely different backstory for series/movie continuity. in the series unicron was actually created by the quintesons.

oops guess you fail again. cry more.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Not a fan of study still eh?

The G1 series started with the comics, actually.

Beast Wars actually runs in from G1, that is canon despite your protest, as is Beast Machines.

And, just as a kicker for you, Simon Furman, the canon authority on all transformers writing as per hasbro, has stated that ALL unicrons are one and the same, they are all linked, and are all the same being.

So, what do you have to say about that?

Furman: Did the UK Comics pre 1989/US comics after 1989... He wrote his stroies AROUND what Bob and the crew in New York did, as he was no concern to them til 1989.

Flint Dille, Jim Shooter and mainly Bob Budiansky were the canon guys for marvel/Hasbro. Bob gave Simon the job in 1989. Three/four years after the movie was made.

Comics= Totally different form the movies especially regarding Unicron and his origins. Maybe hes unified them, but we are talking about the 1986 animated movie.

More on how 'involved' Furman was with Bob and the crew here..
http://rustingcarcass.yuku.com/topic/954/t/Bob-Budiansky.html#.UVxrfaukdG4

"CARCASS: Later on, how acute was your awareness of Simon Furman and the concurrent Marvel UK series?

BOB: How acute? (laughs) You make it sound like he's a disease! He's a pain in my side! No, I was aware of it, but I wasn't really paying much attention to it. I knew that the Marvel UK series came out weekly. They would fill in two weeks with my story and then they would have to fill in two weeks with their story. As Simon, I'm sure has been quoted on a couple of occasions has said, he had to figure out stories that were around my storyline. So I really didn't pay much attention to what he was doing, frankly. I didn't communicate with him or consult with him or coordinate anything with him, I just did my stories the way I was doing them and he had to worry about fitting his stuff around whatever I did. Whether he did a good job about it or not, I really don't know. I know Simon's a terrific writer. I'm sure he was able to handle the situation, but it wasn't really my concern. As years went on, Simon would come to the Marvel offices and we became friends and so in February of '89, I reached the point where I really didn't want to do the Transformers anymore, I didn't want to write it anymore. I was actually on vacation in England and stopped in London and met Simon for lunch and I said, "I'm done with this, you wanna take it over?" (laughs) That's how the deal was struck, but to be honest, I had no authority as a writer to hand over the writing reigns to another writer; that's the editor's job. But my editor back in New York, Don Daley, was happy. He knew Simon also. He was happy to have Simon come aboard and replace me. So, we had this historic luncheon somewhere in London (Simon remembers it far better than I do) where he took over. "

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Its not irrelevant in the slightest.
You seem to be ignoring the 'Movie feats only' rule.

"The MVF Golden Rule:
What is seen on screen is canon in these forums. If your character you wish to use has feats/actions/handicaps that contradict what that character did on screen (movie canon), then it is a violation and is illegal. MOVIE FEATS ONLY!"
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f102/t543649.html

Here and in the SW section there is a strict 'No EU rule'.

So, lets job and discount primary canon for it then, fine fine, whatever, it still does not discount any of my other points he failed to address, all of that was purely movie based, and he decided to focus on purely the first point because he knows that is the ONLY onje he had anything on. But thats fine, that one and only that one point i can concede without concern.

Originally posted by focus4chumps
the G1 incarnation of unicron was borrowed and recreated with a completely different backstory for series/movie continuity. in the series unicron was actually created by the quintesons.

oops guess you fail again. cry more.

Incorrect once again, he was created by Primacron, as per Call Of The Primitives.

You can't even cite sources correctly....

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
So, lets job and discount

no, its you frantically trying to warp forum rules to the benefit of your butthurt, and include irrelevant comic book canon which clearly falls out of the series continuity in many aspects, most notably being UNICRON. cry.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Incorrect once again, he was created by Primacron, as per Call Of The Primitives.

You can't even cite sources correctly....

in G1 movie/series continuity he was created by the quintesons. its a fact and if you did a little research instead of flying off on your infantile tantrums you would know this.

In the comic (which you claimed came first and therefore implied superiority canon wise) which usually I'd agree with, Unicron and Primus were fundimental light/dark good/evil positive/negative forces in the universe from the astral plain that used asteroids to help manifest physical bodies in the physical plain, making bodies out of the ores until Unicron had his body and Primus became Cybertron. This was a Simon Furman story.

SO YES. IN THE COMICS no doubt all Unicrons are the same one, in the stories he'd write, and subsequent, but in Movie and cartoon canon, its a different ball of wax.

Originally posted by focus4chumps
no, its you frantically trying to warp forum rules to the benefit of your butthurt, and include irrelevant comic book canon which clearly falls out of the series continuity in many aspects, most notably being UNICRON. cry.

I didn't even state anything to do with comic canon you liar. What I said was "clarify which version" to which you bawwed like a b!tch. Asking for clarification as per OP rules is not me introducing other elements.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Furman: Did the UK Comics pre 1989/US comics after 1989... He wrote his stroies AROUND what Bob and the crew in New York did, as he was no concern to them til 1989.

Flint Dille, Jim Shooter and mainly Bob Budiansky were the canon guys for marvel/Hasbro. Bob gave Simon the job in 1989. Three/four years after the movie was made.

Comics= Totally different form the movies especially regarding Unicron and his origins. Maybe hes unified them, but we are talking about the 1986 animated movie.

More on how 'involved' Furman was with Bob and the crew here..
http://rustingcarcass.yuku.com/topic/954/t/Bob-Budiansky.html#.UVxrfaukdG4

When I made that statement, I was reffering to Transformers The Ultimate Guide, which came out in 2004, alongside the Dreamwave MTMTE Encyclopedia. It is the latest in the Movie's and G1 series canon in particular. If we are reffering to prior cannon that is no longer correct, then you will have to forgive me for being more up to date than what the forum allows.

Originally posted by focus4chumps
in G1 movie/series continuity he was created by the quintesons. its a fact and if you did a little research instead of flying off on your infantile tantrums you would know this.

I suppose me citing the episode in the G1 toon that this is explained specifically is not enough for you. This proves you are a know-nothing troll.

YouTube video

Watch and be amazed at what you will learn

The TFS universe (which was what was the bible moreorless) noted that there was a relationship between the Quintessons and Unicron. They were likened to heralds/enforcers for him.
An easy mistake for FFC to have made, and one Ive made mysefl in the past.

But this is all strawman, as your 'up to date' source of Furman disavows Primacron completely in his origin story.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero

I suppose me citing the episode in the G1 toon that this is explained specifically is not enough for you.

it appears i was mistaken.
oh dont get excited, you're still wrong.

in the G1 series, unicron was created by primacron. a gremlin-looking being who had nothing at all to do with your "authority" on TF canon.

YouTube video

http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Primacron_(G1)

so your precious point on canon is moot. have a nice day. cry?

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
this proves you are a know-nothing troll.

right, im the troll. i dont know why i keep arguing with you. i should just let the baby have his way and save the discussion.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Not a fan of study still eh?

The G1 series started with the comics, actually.

Beast Wars actually runs in from G1, that is canon despite your protest, as is Beast Machines.

And, just as a kicker for you, Simon Furman, the canon authority on all transformers writing as per hasbro, has stated that ALL unicrons are one and the same, they are all linked, and are all the same being.

So, what do you have to say about that?

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
I didn't even state anything to do with comic canon you liar.

Umm as shown, you kinda did. You tried to say that Simon Furman (Comic canon writer) was now the canon.

k so i suppose that ends the clown show. and now back to our regularly scheduled exo-suit gimping.

YouTube video

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Umm as shown, you kinda did. You tried to say that Simon Furman (Comic canon writer) was now the canon.

No, now you've gotten my points confused.

What I was pointing out was that there are several incarnations of G1.

#1: there are the comics, of which the canon gets regularly retconned into it's current form. This is the primary canon.

#2: There is the G1 toons, which, while they are still g1, it has it's own separate canon that is distinctly different from the comics. Essentially the toons are big advertisements for the toys.

Besides this, I already dropped the comic canon thing anyways, why is this still being brought up?

I was reffering to the points I brought up way earlier in the thread, to which FFC stopped responding when he decided only to focus on the one point at the start. None of those have anything to do with the comics.

Originally posted by focus4chumps
it appears i was mistaken.
oh dont get excited, you're still wrong.

in the G1 series, unicron was created by primacron. a gremlin-looking being who had nothing at all to do with your "authority" on TF canon.

YouTube video

http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Primacron_(G1)

so your precious point on canon is moot. have a nice day. cry?

*Head-desk repeatedly*

You are dysfunctional... seriously. You're not even reading anymore, You quote, but your not reading before you write. You can't even follow a conversation. You completely screwed my points up and tried to turn them into something else. I TOLD you that furman did the primary canon, and he did the continuity reconciliation. Then you brought in the rule, and I dropped that point, but yet you want to try and use it to debunk a completely different point.... You sir are an IDIOT!

Originally posted by focus4chumps
right, im the troll. i dont know why i keep arguing with you. i should just let the baby have his way and save the discussion.

Yes, you ARE the troll, and the above quote proves it beyond any shadow of doubt.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
No, now you've gotten my points confused.

What I was pointing out was that there are several incarnations of G1.

#1: there are the comics, of which the canon gets regularly retconned into it's current form. This is the primary canon.

#2: There is the G1 toons, which, while they are still g1, it has it's own separate canon that is distinctly different from the comics. Essentially the toons are big advertisements for the toys.

Besides this, I already dropped the comic canon thing anyways, why is this still being brought up?

I was reffering to the points I brought up way earlier in the thread, to which FFC stopped responding when he decided only to focus on the one point at the start. None of those have anything to do with the comics.

*Head-desk repeatedly*

You are dysfunctional... seriously. You're not even reading anymore, You quote, but your not reading before you write. You can't even follow a conversation. You completely screwed my points up and tried to turn them into something else. I TOLD you that furman did the primary canon, and he did the continuity reconciliation. Then you brought in the rule, and I dropped that point, but yet you want to try and use it to debunk a completely different point.... You sir are an IDIOT!

Yes, you ARE the troll, and the above quote proves it beyond any shadow of doubt.

you should just stop embarrassing yourself now.

Originally posted by focus4chumps
you should just stop embarrassing yourself now.

You should just answer the earlier points or concede. Either way, I win, and you can stop chugging Brucie's loads now. I think he is a bit red raw at this point.

all of your fallacious canonical weeping was put to sleep and now you're mad about it. thus your infantile tantrums and name calling. cry more.

Originally posted by focus4chumps
all of your fallacious canonical weeping was put to sleep and now you're mad about it. thus your infantile tantrums and name calling. cry more.

Ok, ya know what, I'm going to spell this out for you, point by point, so you and everyone else can see that you are incapable of understanding the dissemination of points here.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
No, but millions of years worth of experience in variable combat situations is far better than a washed up boxer, a cop and a taxi driver. The only one who can say he has comparable experience in terms of military situations is Duke.

However, being in the midst of a 9 million year war, and surviving against better armed and armored fighters like the Decepticons in god knows how many firefights tells us absolute shitloads as to her survivability, which is literally thouseands of orders of magnitude compared to any of the Willis clones. Combine that with her knowlege of robotics, and a weapon more advanced that an Earth made Exo Suit using Cybertronian tech.... Not to mention that the pistol your trying to dowplay due to it's size actually laid waste to several Sharkticons on it's own. Understand that the size of a weapon does not always determine it's effectiveness and destructive capability. if size was all that mattered, then Megatron would have basically ammounted to a pop-gun, when we know that is not the case.

You never answered this point at all. I see nothing reguarding your pithy reliance of comic critique here at all, this all came from the movie.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Ran from many things? Inside Unicron? name 1 other thing... Please. 🙄

Ok, 3... out of dozens of the things, in a trapped corridor... Your grasping for straws REALLY hard here.

Considering the ONE time we see the reverse elbow blasters used in the movie actually fire, Danny fired several shots while "waggling" before striking a stationary target. The only other visible weapon on the damn thing never gets fired until the Season 4 Headmasters episodes... where he becomes Arcee's head... If you want to go an utterly ridiculous road like that....

Heh, you didn't pay attention then. Arcee specifically cited that the Suit given to Daniel was Spike's, And Daniel specifically mentions Spike explaining it to him. Now... We already know Spike has spend most of his teen and adult life with the Autobots and their tech, including tinkering and repairing them alongside Sparkplug, and that Daniel has spent ALL his life with them, And given that the Whitwicky family has practically limitless access to Autobot tech, And your telling me that Spike could not do it? 😂

Oh for christ sake, talk about scemantics... Are you now going to tell me that you think they have Gundam Style microfusion reactors with limitless energy? Please man... My point was, and is, that no matter how long the fuel lasts, it will be effectively drained long before anything noticable is done to Unicron. Your constant whining about how long the fuel reserves last does not actually do anything to counter this point.

Bullshit. Read above. Daniel had prior instruction from Spike, whom, even if you DON'T want to beleive created the suits despite specific lines, he WAS however an operator of it prior to Daniel, and was currently piloting a second one.

He trips over, 4 times, including after said air-flip, and once inside Unicron, well after ramming through 2 unprepared Decepticons. Don't try to overrate the damn thing.

Sorry, I'm not going to compensate for your beer goggles.

Instead, why don't you explain to me how the Willis clones actaully manage to pull this one off without the aid of the Matrix, and lacking any weapons capable of doing more than marring his inner hull armor before they get absolutely slaughtered? Because seriously, playing your shitty scemantics games is getting boring and is completely circumventing the salient question. Especially considering NONE of these men have any experience in dealing with anything like this, ever.

Oh, and buy the way, it's nice to see how you cut half of my post out and didn't respond at all to it. Good job ignoring valid points.

And then, you missed all of this in my very next post and decided to focus solely on one point and conveniently focused on the one thing you could get me to concede on, so congrats, you win one out of about 8, I still win the majority.

~Have a nice day kid.

Who is Brucie?