Originally posted by Tar-Antado
Probably because the energy release was mightier than a godblast.
Ok lol.
So, it's fairly clear that it wasn't a godblast. Fine, dandy. But now, you've decided to call it some new attack that never existed prior (there is no higher power Thor can use than his godblast), and decided to say that it was indeed mightier than the godblast because...well there's the problem. There is no because. Unless you have some proof that it's anything more than some super lightning that the abstracts noticed enough to stop fighting, it's total speculation on your end. 👆 And given your not so liking history of posts towards all things Asgardian, it's not surprising to see why you'd like to be that way.
Originally posted by Damborgson
Ok lol.So, it's fairly clear that it wasn't a godblast. Fine, dandy. But now, you've decided to call it some new attack that never existed prior (there is no higher power Thor can use than his godblast), and decided to say that it was indeed mightier than the godblast because...well there's the problem. There is no because. Unless you have some proof that it's anything more than some super lightning that the abstracts noticed enough to stop fighting, it's total speculation on your end. 👆 And given your not so liking history of posts towards all things Asgardian, it's not surprising to see why you'd like to be that way.
And since you're pro-anything Asgardian, you probably wanted to disassociate the scene from a godblast. even though the narration described it as such. The blast in this issue was created by 3 powerful beings, again by the narration, gave all their essence focused through the hammer. Why is it so hard to accept it may be more powerful than a godblast...IF indeed it were not just a more powerful instance of a godlbast? After all, if you look at the original godlbast, it really did not look that far off from the one from the annual. And it came from Thor and 2 other beings just as powerful. This blast was so powerful, the act of executing the godblast or the result of it knocked the 3 out.
Originally posted by Tar-Antado
And since you're pro-anything Asgardian, you probably wanted to disassociate the scene from a godblast. even though the narration described it as such. The blast in this issue was created by 3 powerful beings, again by the narration, gave all their essence focused through the hammer. Why is it so hard to accept it may be more powerful than a godblast...IF indeed it were not just a more powerful instance of a godlbast? After all, if you look at the original godlbast, it really did not look that far off from the one from the annual. And it came from Thor and 2 other beings just as powerful. This blast was so powerful, the act of executing the godblast or the result of it knocked the 3 out. That in itself suggest it is extraordinary from what Thor can usually output by himself.
Originally posted by Tar-Antado
And since you're pro-anything Asgardian, you probably wanted to disassociate the scene from a godblast. even though the narration described it as such. The blast in this issue was created by 3 powerful beings, again by the narration, gave all their essence focused through the hammer. Why is it so hard to accept it may be more powerful than a godblast...IF indeed it were not just a more powerful instance of a godlbast? After all, if you look at the original godlbast, it really did not look that far off from the one from the annual. And it came from Thor and 2 other beings just as powerful. So powerful, the act of executing the godblast or the result of it knocked the 3 out.
It's because I'm pro-Asgardian that I care enough about the character not to make them what they're not. In this case, that wasn't a godblast. As much as I'd have liked to see current Thor perform one.
Narration described the dramatic moment which built up to the super lightning. Not a godblast.
Because it didn't demonstrate anything that would even imply it was stronger than a godbalst. In addition, Thor's never used his godly life force in conjunction with power cosmic which is what you'd be implying if you'd suggest that somehow the other two were performing their own version of the G-blast. All they did was give it all they had. Something that Thor's done many many times.
Wasn't a godblast, you have dramatic narration to help your point, but it's fundamentally different from even the original godbalst. The original one used pure waves of energy to beat back Galactus. This was lightning, which Thor has used many many times. In this case he just channeled the power of the others to charge the lightning strike. It's fairly straight forward really.
Originally posted by Damborgson
It's because I'm pro-Asgardian that I care enough about the character not to make them what they're not. In this case, that wasn't a godblast. As much as I'd have liked to see current Thor perform one.Narration described the dramatic moment which built up to the super lightning. Not a godblast.
Because it didn't demonstrate anything that would even imply it was stronger than a godbalst. In addition, Thor's never used his godly life force in conjunction with power cosmic which is what you'd be implying if you'd suggest that somehow the other two were performing their own version of the G-blast. All they did was give it all they had. Something that Thor's done many many times.
Wasn't a godblast, you have dramatic narration to help your point, but it's fundamentally different from even the original godbalst. The original one used pure waves of energy to beat back Galactus. This was lightning, which Thor has used many many times. In this case he just channeled the power of the others to charge the lightning strike. It's fairly straight forward really.
Really? I have never seen Thor use other power sources just to create lightning. I think you are the one speculating now. If Thor's solo godblast is more powerful, why not just execute it himself to stop the 3 cosmics? Probably because, the combo godblast...or version of it was more powerful and could achieve a better result. If not why resort to it specially if it would render them senseless?
Originally posted by Tar-Antado
Really? I have never seen Thor use other power sources just to create lightning. I think you are the one speculating now. If Thor's solo godblast is more powerful, why not just execute it himself to stop the 3 cosmics? Probably because, the combo godblast...or version of it was more powerful and could achieve a better result. If not why resort to it specially if it would render them senseless?
But you've seen him create lightning which is the point. He just added the power of the others onto the blast. Using the energy of others is something he's done before. So guess I'm not speculating 🙂
That's an irrelevant matter. Why does Thor not use his best attack against all the cosmics he's met before? Why does he get knocked out instead and not just use the g-blast and end it? It's comics. By that logic Thor would rarely if ever lose a fight. Because there's always something in his arsenal he could've used to win.
Originally posted by Damborgson
But you've seen him create lightning which is the point. He just added the power of the others onto the blast. Using the energy of others is something he's done before. So guess I'm not speculating 🙂That's an irrelevant matter. Why does Thor not use his best attack against all the cosmics he's met before? Why does he get knocked out instead and not just use the g-blast and end it? It's comics. By that logic Thor would rarely if ever lose a fight. Because there's always something in his arsenal he could've used to win.
It's a discharge of energy through Mjolnir containing the essenses of Thor, Surfer and Rachel. That is the best attack they could muster. Logically better than any of them as individuals could muster. This is the relevant matter.
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
and how much more should it be hitting him? It was a short semi continuous blast that blew up. There's not much room for it to do moreIt's speculation based on art with virtually no support from any where else. I could see if this was DC Universe and you were an electric DPS, but even then the damage doesn't split at 3. I think it's 5 when it starts splitting...
Hell, might as well start speculating that the only energy that hit the others were because it bounced off Galactus
There's also the fact that the 3 expended so much power into the GB that they KOed themselves too... But yeah
how much more is the question. and like i said, i'm not sure. the explosion was focused on a large area though and if we assume all 3 were equal, each absorbed some of the power and likely a lot of it was wasted in the area around them and outwards. would any of them have noticed it had it been focused on just 1 of them? imo it would have done more than it did, but it wouldn't have been appreciably more given the powers they all displayed.
i'm not sure what's speculation based on art though. i'm of the opinion the lightning surrounded them all EVENLY (i was pointing out to gk what i thought the relative positions of the characters were, in answer to what he was saying and how it could be viewed differently) and that the lightning really didn't do much. it was the explosion after that was the real attack and the energy it released.
i think the real source of disagreement here is the gb vs galactus. the gb worked once on a weak g. any standard level galactus would tank it pretty effortlessly imo.
Originally posted by leonidas
lollame rebuke? how you can actually look at that and say that a part of the other is NOT between g and the heralds i have utterly no idea. the other's tentacle is stretching into the foreground. and how the hell you can POSSIBLY suggest g took the "brunt" of it, i have no clue, as there is apparently NO affect on ANY of them by the lightning. but sure, no rebuke. your facts are clearly in order. 👆
The reason that they were positioned at a non-perpendicular angle with respect to the 3 heralds? See the blue background of the blast again. See those slanting white lines? That shows that this isn't just a 2-d image in that panel, but the heralds shot from a position where Galactus was in the direct line of fire. That's why I think that he took the brunt of it. Feel free to disagree if you want friend, but I feel that the art is clear enough in this regard.
Originally posted by Damborgson
Well sure you can, but it's...not necessarily smart. That is some heavy reaching dude. Mjolnir, wielded by the god of thunder, and it's improbable to you that it's his lightning? That doesn't sound probable at all.The artwork is clear enough even in the old comic, as well as bringing a description of the energy, and the art in the annual most certainly didn't leave it ambiguous that it was lightning and nothing else. It made it sound like they were going all out, putting everything they had into the blast. Not necessarily the godblast imo.
That's not really how it tends to work in Thor's case though. He's used the godblast on much much more minor threats (juggernaut), and not used it on greater threats (Demigorge, PF, Serpent, Mephisto, Surtur, etc) so while it'd make sense for him to use it, he wouldn't necessarily do it, and it's pretty clear he didn't.
Ok, if we're not going to convince the other it's probably for the best. Later.
That's precisely what I have been saying. The art in the Oblivion book was much more well defined, well illustrated and better drawn than the art from the original Thor/Galactus godblast incidence. They were putting their body, mind, spirit and everything they had into it. Seems very similar to the time Thor channeled his life essence into the mallet, but if you still disagree, I am cool with it.
This case was entirely different as he was witnessing and feeling first-hand the destruction of the multiverse being wrought by Galactus/Scrier/Other, a conflict, if you remember, started in large part due to Thor himself and also involved the other 2 heralds. Not to mention that he's used it on Surtur and Ymir from what I recall(although it only ended up bfring them), and he also crippled Majeston Zelia with it.
Cool beans. 👆
Originally posted by Tar-Antado
It's a discharge of energy through Mjolnir containing the essenses of Thor, Surfer and Rachel. That is the best attack they could muster. Logically better than any of them as individuals could muster. This is the relevant matter.
That countered nothing and didn't help your case. 👆 So guess we're done here.
Originally posted by TheGodKiller
I am referring to you having dismissed my arguments in the past with the "and that's YOUR opinion" response.The reason that they were positioned at a non-perpendicular angle with respect to the 3 heralds? See the blue background of the blast again. See those slanting white lines? That shows that this isn't just a 2-d image in that panel, but the heralds shot from a position where Galactus was in the direct line of fire. That's why I think that he took the brunt of it. Feel free to disagree if you want friend, but I feel that the art is clear enough in this regard.
well, it's not really a rebuke though to suggest these kinds of things are opinionated stances, nor is it a dismissal to say this is my opinion and that is yours and we're not meeting each other on them. 😬
anyway, this is some serious minutiae we're talking about. i think we both agree they were surrounded and the attack exploded. we may disagree on the nature of the damage inflicted among them, but i also think we both agree that whether the blast were concentrated or not, it wouldn't have made a very significant difference. i just happen to think a fully focused blast would have made SOME impact on just one. so, meh, we're not TOO far apart on our thoughts here i don't think.....
Originally posted by leonidasIf this is what you think (IE, the GB is irrelevant, and the explosion caused most of the damage) then there's not much point to continue.
how much more is the question. and like i said, i'm not sure. the explosion was focused on a large area though and if we assume all 3 were equal, each absorbed some of the power and likely a lot of it was wasted in the area around them and outwards. would any of them have noticed it had it been focused on just 1 of them? imo it would have done more than it did, but it wouldn't have been appreciably more given the powers they all displayed.i'm not sure what's speculation based on art though. i'm of the opinion the lightning surrounded them all EVENLY (i was pointing out to gk what i thought the relative positions of the characters were, in answer to what he was saying and how it could be viewed differently) and that the lightning really didn't do much. it was the explosion after that was the real attack and the energy it released.
i think the real source of disagreement here is the gb vs galactus. the gb worked once on a weak g. any standard level galactus would tank it pretty effortlessly imo.
I will say this though, the lightning was all around them, and looked to be bouncing between them. Plus, it's kind of hard to see lightning surrounding one person even more especially that big of lightning.
If it did, it'd turn into a "those small lightning bolts weren't doing much by filling in the gaps between the big ones... it was clearly the other bolts shooting off in the distance. Imagine if those would have hit!" type of argument.