DOS Doomsday Repeat

Originally posted by abhilegend
Thor's power output isn't greater than Superman, Martian Manhunter, Guy Gardner, Fire, Ice and Booster Gold's combined power output which Doomsday completely no sold. Not even close to it. Pak hulk, sure. Thor of previous few years would be oneshotted like Bloodwynd and Maxima. Superman was hurting his hands punching doomsday. Thor isn't winning againrt doomsday. At least not in character.

Teams job. Inverse Ninja Law happens a lot, especially to new threats. Not only that, you'd also have to ignore all the beings whom Thor has staggered or harmed with his power output or somehow think Doomsday is significantly more powerful than everyone Thor's hurt within the past few years alone. And how do you get that Thor of the previous few years would be one shotted? Based on what? Certainly not based off of his ongoing titles. You'd have to specifically ignore those and focus exclusively on his guest appearances in team books and events to even begin to get to that conclusion.

Not sure how Superman hurting his hands on Doomsday matters much to a guy who's going to be using his hammer or elemental attacks one way or the other. Thor using brawling and ranged hammer throws and storm summoning can certainly beat Doomsday.

And thinking the above doesn't equate into lowballing Doomsday at all, but rather just realizing what Thor can and has done. So really, who's lowballing Doomsday here?

Originally posted by Golgo13
He's probably talking about this one. Crazy feat.

[http://i1245.photobucket.com/albums/gg587/golgi7777/SU_zpsd47b3a01.jpg

Yeah, I know what ft he is talking about. That makes Superman and a Lantern a planet pusher. I'm not taking about that ft though.

Originally posted by carver9
Yeah, I know what ft he is talking about. That makes Superman and a Lantern a 50/50 planet pusher.

How do you know it was 50/50?

Originally posted by Golgo13
How do you know it was 50/50?

Because Superman asked Lantern to "puuuuuullll".

Originally posted by carver9
Because Superman asked Lantern to "puuuuuullll".

So?

There's no way to assume how much force was being used by either person to move the planet and it's dumb to try and assume one way or the other.

Originally posted by Golgo13
So?

Also, in the scan you presented, Lantern said "we've got to pull".

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
There's no way to assume how much force was being used by either person to move the planet and it's dumb to try and assume one way or the other.

Originally posted by carver9
Also, in the scan you presented, Lantern said "we've got to pull".

And? Let's say you and I were to pull a huge bag to your car. I would say I would do most of the work, because you're a pretty weak guy (Hal Jordan). Just because we both pushed it, doesn't mean we both did equal work. It's obvious Superman did more.

Originally posted by Golgo13
And? Let's say you and I were to pull a huge bag to your car. I would say I would do most of the work, because you're a pretty weak guy (Hal Jordan). Just because we both pushed it, doesn't mean we both did equal work. It's obvious Superman did more.

That would make sense...if the "weak guy" didn't have a thought based weapon limited only by willpower.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
That would make sense...if the "weak guy" didn't have a thought based weapon limited only by willpower.

I don't think Hal has ever really moved an object close to earth weight. Superman's will is supreme.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Teams job. Inverse Ninja Law happens a lot, especially to new threats. Not only that, you'd also have to ignore all the beings whom Thor has staggered or harmed with his power output or somehow think Doomsday is significantly more powerful than everyone Thor's hurt within the past few years alone. And how do you get that Thor of the previous few years would be one shotted? Based on what? Certainly not based off of his ongoing titles. You'd have to specifically ignore those and focus exclusively on his guest appearances in team books and events to even begin to get to that conclusion.

Not sure how Superman hurting his hands on Doomsday matters much to a guy who's going to be using his hammer or elemental attacks one way or the other. Thor using brawling and ranged hammer throws and storm summoning can certainly beat Doomsday.

And thinking the above doesn't equate into lowballing Doomsday at all, but rather just realizing what Thor can and has done. So really, who's lowballing Doomsday here?

Thor in general doesn't packs more power than JLA+Superman. If you think picking feats from four decades makes him more powerful than that, I'm just going to laugh at you.

You can shout "leave thor's 100+ appearances from Avengers, New Avengers and fourty other titles and just pick his 21 issue long title to gauge his power level" till you're blue in the face. Wouldn't matter, Thor had a rough year. Accept it and move on.

Thor in character wouldn't beat doomsday. He is going to last awhile long but he would die if he doesn't BFR doomsday.

Originally posted by carver9
Hard to argue against something that was stated on panel, bro.

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Originally posted by JakeTheBank
There's no way to assume how much force was being used by either person to move the planet and it's dumb to try and assume one way or the other.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Not against a character who was just debuting. Why did JLA job? What had hurt doomsday before to make you say that? This is just waving your hand and saying "Doomsday's feat doesn't count, JLA jobbed!".

Thor in general doesn't packs more power than JLA+Superman. If you think picking feats from four decades makes him more powerful than that, I'm just going to laugh at you.

You can shout "leave thor's 100+ appearances from Avengers, New Avengers and fourty other titles and just pick his 21 issue long title to gauge his power level" till you're blue in the face. Wouldn't matter, Thor had a rough year. Accept it and move on.

Thor in character wouldn't beat doomsday. He is going to last awhile long but he would die if he doesn't BFR doomsday.

What?

So, basically, you think Thor can't harm Doomsday based on Doomsday rolling through the JLA + Superman (even though individual members of that roster including Superman himself had plenty of feats to suggest they could harm some incredibly powerful beings) and at the same time dismiss the many times Thor's harmed people way outside his tier? How does that even begin to make sense? And how does that equate to me saying "Doomsday's feat doesn't count"?

Four decades? Try within the past few years, bro. barker

Now you're just being ridiculous here. 100s of appearances across 40+ titles? Really? No one's saying that, so please, keep your hyperbolic projected arguments out of this thread. If you read Thor's ongoings (from JMS up to Aaron) in addition to his role in the Avengers franchise and events since his return from death, you'd easily see the feats he's displayed routinely to suggest him hurting Doomsday and surviving the encounter as well. Ignoring it and instead looking at the seldom times he's been KO'd or looked less than spectacular and trying to argue that those comics hold more weight than his own titles is painfully transparent, self serving, and lowballing alike.

Thor can totally beat Doomsday without BFR.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
That would make sense...if the "weak guy" didn't have a thought based weapon limited only by willpower.

Don't get why ABHI even brought up the JLA roster when Superman soloed Doomsday and killed him.

Originally posted by abhilegend
And whose full focus was on his crumbling construct. GLs throw all their power in the constructs when they start to crumble.

He made the harness for Superman and even stated that "we've" got to pull the planet back into place. It makes zero sense for Hal to not contribute anything to that effort especially when we have dialogue telling us it was a joint effort. Sure, I can buy Superman doing most of the work, but to try and quantify how much work or state Superman did all of it doesn't make sense.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
He made the harness for Superman and even stated that "we've" got to pull the planet back into place. It makes zero sense for Hal to not contribute anything to that effort especially when we have dialogue telling us it was a joint effort. Sure, I can buy Superman doing most of the work, but to try and quantify how much work or state Superman did all of it doesn't make sense.

I never said Hal didn't help, just that Superman did most of the pulling. Not a 50/50 feat, IMO. More like 75/25 or so. But like you said, it's impossible to tell.