Originally posted by leonidasThe versions included are the:
that would include dos and hp, right? those were the only really good versions. i think gog wars dd was before imperiex as well, no?
Doomsday Annual (which was bitchin' lantern/guardians and made Darkseid shit his pants)
Death of Superman
Hunter/Prey
Doomsday Wars
Our Worlds at War/Imperiex
The last 3 are basically the same character.
And yes, Doomsday Rex, Gog, Reign of Supermen, Infinite Crisis version were all post-death at Imperiex's hands.
Originally posted by carver9No Carv. Just because a character is at their best in a comic doesn't mean they would be in a forum fight. Even if Superman was at his best then it proves how powerful DD was. It took such a Superman to put him down.
You're arguing Superman at his best but using Thor at his average. That's where I'm going with this.
Originally posted by -Pr-
No, gog was after.And tbh I'm with Philo on this one.
prior to his death, absolutely. i never said anything different. i didn't like what they did with the character when he came back is all. huh, i could have sworn the gog wars arc was before. that was actually one of my all time fave superman arcs. wish we would have seen more of that 'ultimate' version of dd. i had the impression he would have been truly awesome.
@phil--i forgot about that annual. lol you're right--it was very good.
Both would die.
The only chance Thor has is to stay in the air at a distance or try to bfr doomsday, throw his hammer at a distance or find the time to use his powers.
Even that might be easier said than done, because if he can't bfr him, he will have to engage in him physically and it won't end pretty for Thor.
How will Thor handle Doomsday's speed?
I would think that the Silver Surfer would have a great chance against DOS Doomsday.
Originally posted by Philosophía
The versions included are the:Doomsday Annual (which was bitchin' lantern/guardians and made Darkseid shit his pants)
Death of Superman
Hunter/Prey
Doomsday Wars
Our Worlds at War/ImperiexThe last 3 are basically the same character.
And yes, Doomsday Rex, Gog, Reign of Supermen, Infinite Crisis version were all post-death at Imperiex's hands.
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Also most of those portrayals were handled by Jurgens.
Originally posted by leonidasThe one arc, where Superman was much weaker than he would become. The one arc, where he didn't adapt to sh1t (so what's the point of bringing up evolution abilities?????). And I'd thank you to not begin suggesting that a Thor vs classic Abomination fight thread (from that first arc of his), would have anybody seriously arguing for Abomination. It's frankly insulting.
i'm not saying you're ignoring anything. i'm saying i have a hard time NOT ignoring it. but regarding how it's justified: in this case we are specifically using ONLY the one arc, and NOT all the subsequent info. i could make a thread and use the abom FROM that initial arc and, i don't know, maybe people WOULD say he curbs thor in straight h2h. the question is, are the thor and hulk from right now above that era's superman? and even if you think yes (as i no doubt believe you do), there is still the issue of dd's ability to adapt to either one of them. so, i don't see this thing as a sure-thing for thor or hulk at all.
Originally posted by PhilosophíaDoomsday as a character and a concept lost stock. DOS Doomsday, from that storyline, fought a Superman who was much weaker than he became.
The original Doomsday never lost its stock - every time he appeared, he wrecked shit, worse than before.It was only after he died at the hands of Imperiex, and was rebuilt [flawed], that he started his Doomsday Rex and subsequent inferior performances.
So anyone saying otherwise is wrong.
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So anyone trying to obfuscate those two clear facts is just desperately deflecting.
Originally posted by ODG
The one arc, where Superman was much weaker than he would become. The one arc, where he didn't adapt to sh1t (so what's the point of bringing up evolution abilities?????). And I'd thank you to not begin suggesting that a Thor vs classic Abomination fight thread (from that first arc of his), would have anybody seriously arguing for Abomination. It's frankly insulting.
but even that superman had some good feats to his name. pretty sure it was phil who made a list in one of the threads and we've seen here he has been shown pulling the earth. and dd got faster and stronger as the arc went along. so, if hulk was totalled by abom, then thor ko'd him effortlessly (if it was at abom's initial level) then obviously thor back then>>>hulk? but that was never really born out in their battles that i recall sooo...yeah? 😕
tangent aside, if you're saying hulk or thor would win, bully for you. i think a character who killed superman (even that version) is FAR from a sure-fire kill for any other herald, regardless of era.
Doomsday losing stock is an opinion, not a fact. You're free to think that way, but anyone else is free to think otherwise.
DOS Doomsday is, even by today's standards, a solid mid herald AT LEAST. Jurgen's Superman might have had a weaker average than he would have later on, but he, including the Byrne stuff, had some crazy highs, and was a solid herald in his own right.
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
That's almost the exact purpose of this thread...
Shut up.
Originally posted by psycho gundam
That doomsday is "mid herald at least", a comparison to the more contemporary is being all but being begged forPlus I was joking (kinda), douche
I can never tell with you. sneer
You can't really blame me.