Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Doubtful J'onn mindrapes him considering Loki can mask his presence to an insane degree and given his own mental prowess and feats.As far as "beating the shit out of him" goes, that's also pretty unlikely given Loki's, well, feats in general.
Thor has beat the shit out of him and Fenris at the same time. I don't see what is so great about Loki's durability. If we're going by high end feats from respect thread and not the average depictions of Loki, J'onn restrained Diana and Orion at the same time.
Originally posted by abhilegend
You think Loki can shield his mind from J'onn? Don't make me laugh.Thor has beat the shit out of him and Fenris at the same time. I don't see what is so great about Loki's durability. If we're going by high end feats from respect thread and not the average depictions of Loki, J'onn restrained Diana and Orion at the same time.
He's shielded himself from Odin and Mephisto could barely detect him in his own realm. So, yes, he can certainly mask himself from J'onn. And that's without resorting to illusions.
Thor's Thor. And Loki still wasn't knocked out. Who's using high end feats? Loki isn't some weak feeb that Thor can nonchalantly knock out as evidenced by, say, decades worth of canonical material.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
He's shielded himself from Odin and Mephisto could barely detect him in his own realm. So, yes, he can certainly mask himself from J'onn. And that's without resorting to illusions.Thor's Thor. And Loki still wasn't knocked out. Who's using high end feats? Loki isn't some weak feeb that Thor can nonchalantly knock out as evidenced by, say, decades worth of canonical material.
That's not going to shield him from someone who has forcibly taken spectre+JLA to the astral plane and has mindraped a worloggog user and has mindraped Adam one who was a universal level being. High end feats wouldn't go well for Loki.
Thor isn't stronger than J'onn. Not at all. Loki was amped by a duplicate mjolnir too. Thor has knocked out Loki before, wrecker oneshotted him. I don't see why J'onn couldn't do it.
Originally posted by abhilegend
That's not going to shield him from someone who has forcibly taken spectre+JLA to the astral plane and has mindraped a worloggog user and has mindraped Adam one who was a universal level being. High end feats wouldn't go well for Loki.Thor isn't stronger than J'onn. Not at all. Loki was amped by a duplicate mjolnir too. Thor has knocked out Loki before, wrecker oneshotted him. I don't see why J'onn couldn't do it.
It's hard to see but I'll clue you in on something.
It's because we're not JUST using Loki's low feats and J'onn's high feats.
Originally posted by abhilegend
That's not going to shield him from someone who has forcibly taken spectre+JLA to the astral plane and has mindraped a worloggog user and has mindraped Adam one who was a universal level being. High end feats wouldn't go well for Loki.Thor isn't stronger than J'onn. Not at all. Loki was amped by a duplicate mjolnir too. Thor has knocked out Loki before, wrecker oneshotted him. I don't see why J'onn couldn't do it.
Those aren't high end feats at all. Loki's been able to get away with a lot of his bullshit by hiding his presence since day one. Considering the respective feats of Odin and Mephisto, Loki being able to cloak himself from them without trying desperately hard suggest that J'onn's not going to easily shut down his mind if at all.
Thor can punch/strike harder than J'onn can. Lol and Loki wasn't "amped" by his bastardized Mjolnir at all in terms of physical prowess. It was an enchanted weapon, nothing more, nothing less. Thor knocking Loki out doesn't mean Loki's weak as Thor's knocked out plenty of people before. Wrecker one shotting him is PIS and lowballing when compared to the overwhelming history of Loki's.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Those aren't high end feats at all. Loki's been able to get away with a lot of his bullshit by hiding his presence since day one. Considering the respective feats of Odin and Mephisto, Loki being able to cloak himself from them without trying desperately hard suggest that J'onn's not going to easily shut down his mind if at all.Thor can punch/strike harder than J'onn can. Lol and Loki wasn't "amped" by his bastardized Mjolnir at all in terms of physical prowess. It was an enchanted weapon, nothing more, nothing less. Thor knocking Loki out doesn't mean Loki's weak as Thor's knocked out plenty of people before. Wrecker one shotting him is PIS and lowballing when compared to the overwhelming history of Loki's.
So nothing but vague "Feats, I tell you. FEATS". Loki hiding from Odin and Mephisto is certainly a high end feat and not his average. You attempting to prove otherwise is laughable.
No he can't. J'onn is certainly as strong as Thor. Thor knocking out Loki means J'onn can do that too. LOL @ screaming PIS at wrecker knocking out Loki though.
Originally posted by abhilegend
You think Loki can shield his mind from J'onn? Don't make me laugh.Thor has beat the shit out of him and Fenris at the same time. I don't see what is so great about Loki's durability. If we're going by high end feats from respect thread and not the average depictions of Loki, J'onn restrained Diana and Orion at the same time.
Loki took that beating like a champ. How can you reference him taking such a beating and scoff at his durability? That kind of onslaught from Thor could very well wreck John.
A panel of him knocking back the league is pretty cool. Loki's high ends are more conclusive and impressive.
Originally posted by abhilegend
So nothing but vague "Feats, I tell you. FEATS". Loki hiding from Odin and Mephisto is certainly a high end feat and not his average. You attempting to prove otherwise is laughable.No he can't. J'onn is certainly as strong as Thor. Thor knocking out Loki means J'onn can do that too. LOL @ screaming PIS at wrecker knocking out Loki though.
Lol what's vague about them? Loki has, historically, been able to hide himself from Odin and thereby trick him or keep himself from getting found out from his plots. Sure, Odin eventually catches on, but he's been fooling or otherwise shown capable of masking his presence from Odin for decades now. Trying to argue that Loki can't or doesn't hide from Odin is actually trolling on your part and horrendous lowballing.
Thor can punch harder than J'onn. Mjolnir certainly hits harder than J'onn can. J'onn could feasibly knock out Loki, sure. But using low feats of Loki's to argue why is stupid and, again, trolling.
Loki's baseline average is beyond Wrecker's means to one shot KO him. And Wrecker doing so is CLEARLY PIS. Feel free to prove me wrong or, better yet, "myth bust" it.
There's also the fact that Loki's illusions have consistently fooled Odin and all the times he's tricked or hid his motives from Odin's clairvoyance/relative omniscience.
Acting like they don't count or are all high end feats is beyond stupid.
I don't even feel like I should dignify why the Wrecker one-shot KOing Loki is a low showing if not outright PIS.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
He's shielded himself from Odin and Mephisto could barely detect him in his own realm. So, yes, he can certainly mask himself from J'onn. And that's without resorting to illusions.Thor's Thor. And Loki still wasn't knocked out. Who's using high end feats? Loki isn't some weak feeb that Thor can nonchalantly knock out as evidenced by, say, decades worth of canonical material.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Loki took that beating like a champ. How can you reference him taking such a beating and scoff at his durability? That kind of onslaught from Thor could very well wreck John.A panel of him knocking back the league is pretty cool. Loki's high ends are more conclusive and impressive.
Not a single panel though. He was actively restraining Diana, Orion and Barda while battling superman.
Originally posted by zopzop
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Compare that to the rest of Loki's showings and Thor's.
In that same time frame and under the same writer, Simonson, Loki no sold a beheading. And a single tap from Mjolnir shattering Loki's arm that he can't heal right away through magic clearly isn't the norm for Thor. If it was, Thor would have maimed dozens of people whom he's struck harder than that.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Lol what's vague about them? Loki has, historically, been able to hide himself from Odin and thereby trick him or keep himself from getting found out from his plots. Sure, Odin eventually catches on, but he's been fooling or otherwise shown capable of masking his presence from Odin for decades now. Trying to argue that Loki can't or doesn't hide from Odin is actually trolling on your part and horrendous lowballing.Thor can punch harder than J'onn. Mjolnir certainly hits harder than J'onn can. J'onn could feasibly knock out Loki, sure. But using low feats of Loki's to argue why is stupid and, again, trolling.
Loki's baseline average is beyond Wrecker's means to one shot KO him. And Wrecker doing so is CLEARLY PIS. Feel free to prove me wrong or, better yet, "myth bust" it.
Odin has effortlessely chumped Loki in telepathy. Lets not get carried away here. The only way Loki hides himself is because Odin often doesn't pays attention. Saying otherwise is trolling from you and a horrendous highballing.
Thor has knocked out Loki using just fists. That's not an area where he's above J'onn.
No need for it. Wrecker is a Thor class being when he's not power-sharing. Him oneshotting Loki isn't PIS.
