Originally posted by curryman
When he located Super-Skrull and manipulated him.That is very impressive, and I don't doubt that J'onnz wins in the universe-scanning department.
J'onn punks loki in telepathy. I'm just baffled why Thorbags think hiding from odin makes Loki a telepath of J'onn's caliber.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Yeah vaguely remembered. I remembered this scene but not the following.http://i673.photobucket.com/albums/vv95/galanphotos/brb_fenris1.jpg http://i673.photobucket.com/albums/vv95/galanphotos/brb_fenris2.jpg
Blah, blah, blah. Anything else? Why not post another "MYTH BUSTING" post alongside this. Its not like you haven't misremembered things before, have you?
You did nothing to prove that was multiversal but post some random statements while I proved it was a single universe by the eternity scan. Then you went your usual "Seriously bro" routine.
Okay. Seems like you should probably research these characters then instead of continuously making bold claims that aren't supported by feats or comics in general, huh?
Of course I've been wrong and remembered things. I'm not arrogant enough to keep on trolling and spouting more misinformation in spite of the evidence against it and then have the audacity to claim I'm being attacked by people who keep proving me wrong.
Yeah, no, I clearly proved it was multiversal and my evidence supporting it to be so vastly outnumbered and outweighed your claim to the usual. And pretty much everyone agreed with it, including people who have no real stake in Thor related feats or those who would count as "Thorbags".
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Smh. Hypocrisy much?Yeah, you did. And?
[b]WTF
? Thor's hit Loki with Mjolnir and thrown it far harder than he did there multiple times across the decades and it hasn't broken his arm or bones in general. How in the hell you think that single panel overrides dozens upon dozens of instances where Loki has endured far more punishment than a tap from Mjolnir (which clearly wasn't anything close to its normal showings) is trolling or you just not knowing anything substantial about the character Loki. Either way, you've already proved that your opinion on the character isn't really reliable given how "vague" your memory can be.I have looked at his average. He's the God of Lies/Mischief. He's routinely hidden his plans and schemes from Odin, even when Odin was keeping an eye on him. How can you debate against Loki when you're not even aware about his fundamental characteristics and abilities?
Lol.
"Lulz" doesn't change the fact that you've been proven wrong multiple times again. [/B]
Never did.
Yeah, no. Go on at another rant. Wouldn't change a single damn thing. I'm sorry to break this to you but your view on Loki is already biased to begin with. This doesn't makes anything better since you are discarding anything that doesn't suit your precious loki as PIS.
Odin has punked Loki several times in direct combat. Who cares what he can hide when Odin is not paying much attention on him.
It does.
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Does Spectre even have TP defense? Serious question.Because Batman and ****ing Kyle Gaynor have resisted mental fudgepackery better than him.
The Spectre definitely has a few high end feats that one would expect from a higher end being.
In the issue Abhil's talking about, John effortlessly breaks into Hal's mind and transports them all into Joker's head. I guess we could us Abhil's own logic against him and deconstruct the feat, break it down, try and make it unimpressive.
For example, Batman forces Spectre out of his head in that issue and John catches them by surprise. In both instance Hal doesn't actually fight back in anyway.
But I'm not one to combat lowballing with lowballing. Anyways not sure what it ultimately proves, I don't think anyone doubted that if John caught Loki unaware he could force him to the mental plane. I wonder if Loki's chaotic nature would unbalance John like Joker's.
For those curious, this happens in JLA #35, read it for yourselves if you got the time.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Okay. Seems like you should probably research these characters then instead of continuously making bold claims that aren't supported by feats or comics in general, huh?Of course I've been wrong and remembered things. I'm not arrogant enough to keep on trolling and spouting more misinformation in spite of the evidence against it and then have the audacity to claim I'm being attacked by people who keep proving me wrong.
Yeah, no, I clearly proved it was multiversal and my evidence supporting it to be so vastly outnumbered and outweighed your claim to the usual. And pretty much everyone agreed with it, including people who have no real stake in Thor related feats or those who would count as "Thorbags".
You only proved me wrong about things I misremembered. That's not much to brag about jake.
You certainly didn't. I can post the quote, you know. Appealing to majority doesn't changes a single damn thing.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Tell that to yourself. High end telepathy feats from Loki but not from J'onn.Never did.
Yeah, no. Go on at another rant. Wouldn't change a single damn thing. I'm sorry to break this to you but your view on Loki is already biased to begin with. This doesn't makes anything better since you are discarding anything that doesn't suit your precious loki as PIS.
Odin has punked Loki several times in direct combat. Who cares what he can hide when Odin is not paying much attention on him.
It does.
Loki hiding from Odin and Mephisto in their realms where they're basically all powerful =/= high end feats. It's an established part of his power set and is consistent and conforms with decades worth of canonical material.
Whatever, dude.
If Loki's so weak, prove that instance where Thor easily shattered his arm with a tap from Mjolnir is consistent with his overall history. Hell, I'll even do a Battlezone or you can attempt to Mythbust it. Non biased parties will be asked to weigh in and I'll bring in plenty of scans and issue numbers. Heck, get a mod ruling on it. Me discounting Wrecker one shot KOing Loki as PIS means I'm throwing out everything as PIS? There's so much more evidence supporting Loki is tougher on average than that showing it's unreal. And yet...you still think it's the norm for him? How is that not trolling? Don't get irritated because you got caught in a lie and your rep in this thread is already more questionable than it was before.
Odin would beat the shit out of J'onn, too. Never said Odin doesn't beat Loki in a fight. But you're kidding yourself if you think Loki's illusions and magic won't make it difficult for J'onn to find him.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Scans?J'onn punks loki in telepathy. I'm just baffled why Thorbags think hiding from odin makes Loki a telepath of J'onn's caliber.
while his body remains in Asgard, his astral form travels instantly to the Skrull galaxy where he passes a mental suggestion to the Super Skrull to return to Earth
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Loki%20Sorcery/LokiAstralForm03142.jpg
I think this is what is being referenced
Originally posted by abhilegend
Because a beating doen't denotes durability. Fenris didn't get KOED either. That's just a proof that Thor punches like a sissy.They were determined to bring him in. Considering Orion was bloodlusted there, its a very big feat. It was him shapeshifting his hand into a replica of his brother.
Superman is just that strong.
uhuh
It does if your standing in the end there. Fenris can be pretty tough though, especially since he's truly immortal. Beta Ray Bill -temporarily- killed him (He came back and ate the Sun/Moon) but it took one hell of a beating to do so.
I haven't read the issue in a while, do you happen to have the before and after scans? Not to say I don't trust your interpretations, but honestly, I don't.
If anyone's getting beat up in that issue, it's Superman tbh.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
It does if your standing in the end there. Fenris can be pretty tough though, especially since he's truly immortal. Beta Ray Bill -temporarily- killed him (He came back and ate the Sun/Moon) but it took one hell of a beating to do so.I haven't read the issue in a while, do you happen to have the before and after scans? Not to say I don't trust your interpretations, but honestly, I don't.
If anyone's getting beat up in that issue, it's Superman tbh.
What is Fenris's best feat?
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Loki hiding from Odin and Mephisto in their realms where they're basically all powerful =/= high end feats. It's an established part of his power set and is consistent and conforms with decades worth of canonical material.Whatever, dude.
If Loki's so weak, prove that instance where Thor easily shattered his arm with a tap from Mjolnir is consistent with his overall history. Hell, I'll even do a Battlezone or you can attempt to Mythbust it. Non biased parties will be asked to weigh in and I'll bring in plenty of scans and issue numbers. Heck, get a mod ruling on it. Me discounting Wrecker one shot KOing Loki as PIS means I'm throwing out everything as PIS? There's so much more evidence supporting Loki is tougher on average than that showing it's unreal. And yet...you still think it's the norm for him? How is that not trolling? Don't get irritated because you got caught in a lie and your rep in this thread is already more questionable than it was before.
Odin would beat the shit out of J'onn, too. Never said Odin doesn't beat Loki in a fight. But you're kidding yourself if you think Loki's illusions and magic won't make it difficult for J'onn to find him.
uhuh
Originally posted by abhilegend
I'm not as much interested in Loki or Thor and certainly don't like to research everytime I argue about a character. Forgive me, oh ideal debater.You only proved me wrong about things I misremembered. That's not much to brag about jake.
You certainly didn't. I can post the quote, you know. Appealing to majority doesn't changes a single damn thing.
So, anyone who researches Loki or Thor and like the character is biased or a "Thorbag"? That'd be like saying you're biased because you like Superman and you can't be trusted to be objective in a Superman thread.
Things you misremembered, yet pawned off as truth. And even when confronted with the facts, you still choose to stick to lowballing and trolling the hell out of the thread.
I didn't "appeal" to the majority. I used on panel scans to prove you were completely wrong in that thread. Seriously, stop trying to act like you're the victim here when you're antagonizing and trolling.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
It does if your standing in the end there. Fenris can be pretty tough though, especially since he's truly immortal. Beta Ray Bill -temporarily- killed him (He came back and ate the Sun/Moon) but it took one hell of a beating to do so.I haven't read the issue in a while, do you happen to have the before and after scans? Not to say I don't trust your interpretations, but honestly, I don't.
If anyone's getting beat up in that issue, it's Superman tbh.
No, I don't have the issue atm.
No he wasn't.
