Vril Dox Vs Tony Stark

Started by Golgo137 pages
Originally posted by beatboks
The Namesless was the name given to what was formerly the demiurge. The force that the Presence created to cause creation. It was this entity that cause the creation of multiple universes. He grew to think of God as corrupt and sought to oppose him and was than smite like Morningstar. Synar is basically an aspect of the nameless forced to assume mortal form but still possessing devine powers and immortality.

Ah, thanks.

Originally posted by ODG
Thor never fought the Thorbuster armor. King Thor fought it. The guy who dented Cap's shield with a single blow, but took two issues to defeat the Thorbuster armor.

I'm not unread with all things DC. I know what Infinite Crisis supposedly did and about the random interviews Geoff Johns gave. But what happens on-panel is more important than what people say (or intend).

I read the post-Infinite Crisis depiction of Superboy's original meeting with the original Legion of Super-Heroes and it's different. I also know that the original PC Supergirl was an important part of pre-Crisis Legion history and she was never retconned back in after Infinite Crisis. So your blanket statements saying that pre-Crisis Legion history was reinstated and simply transplanted onto post-Crisis timeline "exactly" is inaccurate on its face.

And I mean, that's all Legion stuff and not even about Pulsar Stargrave. Is he really supposed to be a future Braniac like he was revealed to be in pre-Crisis continuity? C'mon now, let's stop pretending there isn't a question about pre-Crisis continuity. I'll read about Silica and Starro for myself.

So show scans of opponents fighting Vril Dox and him roflstomping them from the outset of the fight with his enhanced charisma (especially those who were tech-based). I feel like I've made this request before. You list all those characters as if it's supposed to mean something. That you would be so bold to say Vril Dox defeated each of them is disappointing. Has Vril Dox directly engaged an Abstract force of the universe and disrupted it like Stark has? If not, then Vril hasn't matched every level of feat Tony has performed. The original point of discussion.


Than I've been miss informed the way I understood it he was stomped by normal Thor and that is what I'm chasing this assessment on.

The overall continuity of LoSH carried through on panel post COIE vast amounts of those old trails have been referenced and shown as flash back. PS isn't Brainiac he originally alluded that but post coie it was changed to show that he was the actual computer grants given biography form. It was also shown later that when he linked with the coluan data core he got slightly over loaded by brainiacs memories ( presumably though not stated to explain him referring to himself as such in legion's history)
Super girl has actually made more appearances as a Legionare post crisis than pre so I m not sure what you mean here.
I had a. Quick look to find scans of Silica and Starr o. Seems my memory is way off. Starro never actually got Silica. He sent an operative to but they trailed and she self destructed . When she did her control over all Legion robots , ships etc across space was gone. She was created as a safe guard after Lyrl so easily took over Legion with Vril's enhanced charisma program to ensure it couln't happen again. When she did Starro was able to easily hack and control them when close. Vril created a 2nd silica who technopathically controlled everything in the Maltan system from a neighboring system and used it to put a force field around malta trapping. Starr o

Originally posted by beatboks
Than I've been miss informed the way I understood it he was stomped by normal Thor and that is what I'm chasing this assessment on.

The overall continuity of LoSH carried through on panel post COIE vast amounts of those old trails have been referenced and shown as flash back. PS isn't Brainiac he originally alluded that but post coie it was changed to show that he was the actual computer grants given biography form. It was also shown later that when he linked with the coluan data core he got slightly over loaded by brainiacs memories ( presumably though not stated to explain him referring to himself as such in legion's history)

Super girl has actually made more appearances as a Legionare post crisis than pre so I m not sure what you mean here.

Re-assess then.

The continuity has not been carried through on-panel as exactly as you'd like it to be. These flashbacks you refer to have shown vast differences starting from the very beginning, i.e., Superboy's first encounter with the Legion. Compare Adventure Comics #247 with Action Comics #858 and see for yourself. That Pulsar Stargrave's origin is different only serves to punctuate my point.

Pre-Crisis Supergirl joined the original Legion. Before CoIE, she had dozens of appearances in their comics throughout the original Adventure Comics, Superboy and the Legion of Super-Heroes, and Legion of Super-Heroes vol.2. titles. I meant exactly what I stated. The original PC Supergirl was an important part of pre-Crisis Legion history and she was never retconned back in after Infinite Crisis. Accordingly, your assertion that Legion continuity carried over "exactly" is inaccurate on its face.

Originally posted by beatboks
I had a. Quick look to find scans of Silica and Starr o. Seems my memory is way off. Starro never actually got Silica. He sent an operative to but they trailed and she self destructed . When she did her control over all Legion robots , ships etc across space was gone. She was created as a safe guard after Lyrl so easily took over Legion with Vril's enhanced charisma program to ensure it couln't happen again. When she did Starro was able to easily hack and control them when close. Vril created a 2nd silica who technopathically controlled everything in the Maltan system from a neighboring system and used it to put a force field around malta trapping. Starr o
I read the relevant issues of Omega Men and R.E.B.E.L.S. for myself. Your descriptions weren't accurate (and that's putting it nicely). I am sufficiently underwhelmed by Silica, and for good reason. She frankly doesn't merit anymore discussion. Moving past that, you've still provided me with no examples of this "enhanced charisma" you described being put to practical use in a fight, much less an example of it being used to greater effect on a tech-oriented being. At this point, I don't feel the need to grant it any consideration.

Just a note for people: Not all Legion stuff was reinstated; only stuff that was actually referenced specifically can be used.

We made a mod ruling on this a while back, I thought.

Didn't Abi say that PC Legion was canon? According to LO3W?

Originally posted by Golgo13
Didn't Abi say

Your first mistake.

Honestly though, while some of the stuff from pre crisis was reinstated, there's no blanket restoration of every appearance they've ever had.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Your first mistake.

😂

You're a cruel man, PR. A cruel man.

badawe

Originally posted by -Pr-
Your first mistake.

Honestly though, while some of the stuff from pre crisis was reinstated, there's no blanket restoration of every appearance they've ever had.


LO3W and Lightning saga made it explicitly clear that PC stories are canon for legion. That's not the same thing as selectively choosing which comic is canon for superman based on flashbacks. As for interaction of supergirl and legion, her role was filled by Andromeda post-crisis. Just because supergirl never became a member of original legion doesn't means those stories are non-canon just like the stories of JSA interacting with wonder woman aren't non-canon because hippolyta filled the role of wonder woman.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Your first mistake.

haermm

Originally posted by abhilegend
LO3W and Lightning saga made it explicitly clear that PC stories are canon for legion. That's not the same thing as selectively choosing which comic is canon for superman based on flashbacks. As for interaction of supergirl and legion, her role was filled by Andromeda post-crisis. Just because supergirl never became a member of original legion doesn't means those stories are non-canon just like the stories of JSA interacting with wonder woman aren't non-canon because hippolyta filled the role of wonder woman.

Is this because there were 3 Val's, 3 Brainiacs, etc...

facepalm

Originally posted by Golgo13
Is this because there were 3 Val's, 3 Brainiacs, etc...

The original legion was featured in comics till zero hour without any continuity problem thanks to pocket dimension superboy and andromeda replacing supergirl. After that Earth-247 legion was featured in legion comics till Titans/Legion: Universe Ablaze. Earth-prime legion is shown after that in legion comics untill IC. Lightning saga and Superman and Legion of Super-heroes firmly establish PC legion again as true legion and their stories canon to proper DCU. Its just that simple. To argue that Legion stories are not canon just because the original meeting of superboy is told differently or supergirl was never a member is frankly stupid since it has an in-universe explanation of why some things are different. Time-Trapper made countless attempt to erase superman from Legion's past and it caused some events to play out differently.

Originally posted by abhilegend
LO3W and Lightning saga made it explicitly clear that PC stories are canon for legion. That's not the same thing as selectively choosing which comic is canon for superman based on flashbacks. As for interaction of supergirl and legion, her role was filled by Andromeda post-crisis. Just because supergirl never became a member of original legion doesn't means those stories are non-canon just like the stories of JSA interacting with wonder woman aren't non-canon because hippolyta filled the role of wonder woman.

We mod ruled on this months ago.

Originally posted by -Pr-
We mod ruled on this months ago.

I know about that mod rule about superman. LOSH isn't superman though. They don't have any retcon or re-tellings to muddle their continuity. They just ceased to be shown in the comic in 1994 after decades of publishing and were again star of legion comic after lightning saga. Its like saying if a character like say creeper shows up after a decade of not showing up in his comic while another creeper was starring in his own comics, then the previous stories don't count for the original creeper.

I wasn't talking about Superman.

Whether or not LOSH is in continuity, I'll give Vril the edge in prep.

Why was this even brought up in the first place, out of curiosity?

It had something to do with Beatbok's and ODG debating about Vril surviving Pulsar's attacks with his force fields. I thik Beat was using PC feats or something.