I think Vril is a better manipulator, and I think Tony has the more impressive feats of tactical foresight and complexity, but Vril wrestling control of the galaxy and uniting the REBELS under the nose of Starro is a feat on a greater scale of tactical warfare than anything I can think of Stark doing.
Through sheer amount of showings though, if they get access to all their existing tech, Stark should win. Teleportation could get around and through Dox's forcefields, and Tony's used teleportation tech in his armor before. Stark also invented those missiles that created miniature black holes. Combining those two is one of dozens of ways that Stark's tech could be combined to overcome the only things we've seen Dox create.
Maybe Vril has better resources on hand to prep with, because he's surrounded by 10 spacefaring, warrior planets, but from there it's all just absent guesswork.
Originally posted by Existere
I think Vril is a better manipulator, and I think Tony has the more impressive feats of tactical foresight and complexity, but Vril wrestling control of the galaxy and uniting the REBELS under the nose of Starro is a feat on a greater scale of tactical warfare than anything I can think of Stark doing.Through sheer amount of showings though, if they get access to all their existing tech, Stark should win. Teleportation could get around and through Dox's forcefields, and Tony's used teleportation tech in his armor before. Stark also invented those missiles that created miniature black holes. Combining those two is one of dozens of ways that Stark's tech could be combined to overcome the only things we've seen Dox create.
Maybe Vril has better resources on hand to prep with, because he's surrounded by 10 spacefaring, warrior planets, but from there it's all just absent guesswork.
Dox has created a few things over time tech wise, but his better scientific feats are definitely in the biological fields of science.
Tech created
His force field
His personal AI Silica
Energy damps era that overloaded Pulsar star grave
The implant he used to to control the psionic brute ( who's name escapes me)
His tachyon cage that held Wave rider unable to shift through time.
And the various devices he created to null the powers of his operatives like phase should they turn on him.
His subliminal programming program ( charisma enhancement program) that was used to make all Colu hero worship him and Lyrl used to turn his whole operation against him.
When you compare that to his bio work like neutering lobo's regeneration, enhancing his own body to be able to match lobo, and other genetic manipulations he's done it pales by comparison.
Most of which won't help unless there is prep ( and I can't remember if there was)
Originally posted by cdtm
On the Lobo front, that was the result of turning the dial of the regen bath he was in to 11, basically.Sort of kind of PIS, since if those regenerations could do that, you'd think he'd take regular baths in them, instead of only when he's grievously injured.
It wasn't a "regeneration bath". Dox was being cloned by the machine he'd made to do so. His consciousness was transferred from his former dead body ( killed by stealth in her mating process that spawned his son Lyrl) and he had come to a week or so earlier and tuned up the settings on the machine that was sustaining the generation ( not regeneration ) process of his newly cloned body. It was only a temporary augmentation, but he could have just as easily had the machine set to produce a body like the one of Pulsar star grave ( that was permanently those stats). I doubt very much it's a process he could go through regularly. Though I'll be honest in a tourney on cv where I had him in my team recently with Ultra Humanite and Mr Terrific I argued the exact opposite. Of course Ultra actually has feats of making genetic alterations to make permanent upgrades to physicals. I mean those white ape bodies he genetically altered and grew to make him a 100++ tonner and all.
When you put it that way, it doesn't sound as bad.
Dox still had no business beating down Lobo though, given what he's shrugged off even back in those early days. (And didn't they make a tongue in cheek excuse after the fact about Lobo not being as motivated because heavy metal music he usually has pipped directly into his brain was out of commission, or something?)
Originally posted by ExistereWhat issue did Stark make those mini black hole missiles? I gotta read that.
I think Vril is a better manipulator, and I think Tony has the more impressive feats of tactical foresight and complexity, but Vril wrestling control of the galaxy and uniting the REBELS under the nose of Starro is a feat on a greater scale of tactical warfare than anything I can think of Stark doing.Through sheer amount of showings though, if they get access to all their existing tech, Stark should win. Teleportation could get around and through Dox's forcefields, and Tony's used teleportation tech in his armor before. Stark also invented those missiles that created miniature black holes. Combining those two is one of dozens of ways that Stark's tech could be combined to overcome the only things we've seen Dox create.
Maybe Vril has better resources on hand to prep with, because he's surrounded by 10 spacefaring, warrior planets, but from there it's all just absent guesswork.
Originally posted by Existere
I think Vril is a better manipulator
On the manipulation front I used Vril in a scenario thread here http://thecomicsledger.*********.com/thread/4043?page=2 to manipulate a lot of graveyard hitters to serve him in a way I believe to be in character for him.
Your right though in tech stark has a lot more and a lot more feats. The weirdest hing out where Dox is concerned is that the scientific field which is supposed to be his field of expertise as stated by him ( i.e. Botony ) is the only one we have never seen a feat in 😉
Originally posted by cdtm
Not sure about that. Dox's force fields boxed in Starro's fleet, keeping him from exiting even in warp space..And they did have tp tech, pretty sure..
your right, but i dont think the shield he used to do that is the same as his personal shield. I doubt very much the shield he has around himself as personal protection could do that. I'm a Vril dox fanboy and all but it's never been shown to be that powerful. Stand up to rigors of space, close explosions and Black Lanerns (though that wasnt for long and a yellow ring made itself available to him mid battle because of his capacity to inspire fear more than almost anyone in the sector)
Originally posted by beatboksPretty sure he states in REBELS that it's the same forcefield.
your right, but i dont think the shield he used to do that is the same as his personal shield. I doubt very much the shield he has around himself as personal protection could do that. I'm a Vril dox fanboy and all but it's never been shown to be that powerful. Stand up to rigors of space, close explosions and Black Lanerns (though that wasnt for long and a yellow ring made itself available to him mid battle because of his capacity to inspire fear more than almost anyone in the sector)
I didn't bother going through the listed tech feats of Dox one by one, because I don't think most of them are relevant. Notably, the implant that he used to control Tribulus was one he stole from the robot mercenary, nothing of his own creation. He had Supergirl put it into his brain using X-ray vision, again, nothing of his own doing.
Teleportation was shown to be able to get through the forcefield. Starro's fleet attempted to recruit those underwater dudes (the Dishpan or something like that) because their warp weavers could get around Dox's forcefield. Adam Strange's zeta radiation also worked.
Originally posted by Golgo13
Lyrl Dox seemed more impressive in the tech field. Guy built Pulsar Stargrave and even learned martial arts in a few moments.
Though both Lyrl and Brainiac are above Vril in most fields ( both being 12 level intellects to Vril's 10 level). He beats them only because he plays better mind games and is a better manipulator