The Runner with a Primary Adamantium Katana runs the gauntlet...

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
You do know of the Runners combat speed? That blast of flame would be moving in very slow motion from the Runners point of view; he could evade that without effort...

He was laughing at Thanos when Thanos attempted to blast him by running circles around him; this would be no different...

Well, clearly you win this argument because Thanos never tried to amp himself up to be Odin's equal and using eye lasers = AoE attack and Runner apparently has the Space Gem in this fight too. Ok.

@Galan 007

Your ignorance of the Surtur Saga shows its head again; drawing strength from the Eternal Flame wasnt Twilights only purpose...

It served several purposes, but since you never read the arc, you wouldnt know what they are...would you?

Originally posted by Galan007
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The point of that post, dear zop, is that per the comic you're quoting, Runner cannot equal(let alone exceed) the speed of light. Surfer, for example, would demolish him in a race(based on that comic.)

That's the point. We KNOW Surtur's slow @$$ isn't a hyper speedster so that's out. That leaves only time/space manip. Any on panel proof of that? Because even Surtur's own official handbook entry states that his powers aren't as varied as Odin's.

Originally posted by ODG
Well, clearly you win this argument

Thank you! 🙂

Btw, there is no PIS in a forum fight, so that "unexpected AoE attack" wont happen as the Runner will see it coming from a mile away and be able to avoid it with ease...

So I ask you again, is this a stalemate? Does the Runner win or does Surtur win (and if so, how)?

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
@Galan 007

So what if he is more than a physical foe; others that are "more than physical" have been harmed by non-magical attacks before afterall...

In the Surtur Saga, Heimdall staggered Surtur just by throwing his body into him; Surtur is very vulnerable to physical non-magical attacks...its right there on panel.

Regardless, how does Heimdall staggering Surtur equate to Runner beating/killing Surtur? Even if an adamantium sword equates to a pin-prick to Surtur, how exactly are a bunch of pin-pricks going to beat/kill him?

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
What stance am I changing? Be specific...

I never said your scans were inadmissible btw (you lack reading comprehension as well?); I countered your stance that Odin, Loki, and Thor's combined attack did no lasting damage with the context of what was going on...

I mean its clear that you never actually read the arc, but are commenting on it afterall...

So once again, you argument fails...

Anyway:

Originally posted by Galan007
Wait, so you're giving Surtur the Twilight Sword in this battle(and referring people to the original Surtur/Twilight saga), but not allowing him to use it for what it was created for(ie. channeling power from the Eternal Flame)..? Makes sense(dur).

After all, I suppose neutering a character's power that you're debating against is the easiest way to aid your argument(even though it really doesn't, as Surtur is still equal to Odin, even w/o the Sword.) If you ever make a Thanos /w/ IG thread, you should give Thanos all of the infinity gems, but not allow him to use any of their powers... That'd make about as much sense as what you're doing here. 👆

Originally posted by zopzop
The point, dear Galan, as it states on PANEL, the Runner and other hyper speedsters move so fast that NON hyper speedsters or beings that cannot manipulate space/time, appear as non moving STATUES.

That's the point. We KNOW Surtur's slow @$$ isn't a hyper speedster so that's out. That leaves only time/space manip. Any on panel proof of that? Because even Surtur's own official handbook entry states that his powers aren't as varied as Odin's.

Originally posted by Galan007
Even if an adamantium sword equates to a pin-prick to Surtur, how exactly are a bunch of pin-pricks going to beat/kill him?

@Galan
It could possibly be an endless stalemate between Runner and Surtur. But for sure Surtur is NOT laying a finger on Runner if Runner don't want him to.

@Galan 007

Well you gotta admit, if you actual read, there would be nothing to insult; you commented that I was changing my stance in response to something that you clearly didnt read...

Anyway, your failure to read (which includes the Surtur Saga; which is causing you to fail here with your arguments) is causing you to make error upon error...

Twilight serves several purposes, so not having the Eternal Flame in this thread is hardly a nerf; it is still very powerful and amps Surtur significantly anyway...

@Galan 007

How are the pin-pricks going to kill him/put him down?

Damage over time baby!! It might take 100000 of these "pin pricks" to do the job...it might take a million...it might take 10 million, but eventually Surtur would fall.

Originally posted by zopzop
@Galan
It could possibly be an endless stalemate between Runner and Surtur. But for sure Surtur is NOT laying a finger on Runner if Runner don't want him to.

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Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Thank you! 🙂

Btw, there is no PIS in a forum fight, so that "unexpected AoE attack" wont happen as the Runner will see it coming from a mile away and be able to avoid it with ease...

So I ask you again, is this a stalemate? Does the Runner win or does Surtur win (and if so, how)?

I already gave you my reasons for thinking that Surtur would win. You decided to pretend comics and character have nothing to do with this fight. I imagine you're just itching to make a Runner w/ adamantium sword vs Galactus thread.

After all, Runner w/ adamantium sword is like Skyfather-level according to you. And Galactus has been hurt by high heralds, ignoring the fact that he's been toppled by Skyfathers before. Boy, the things that an adamantium sword can do. Magically amp a Trans to Abstract+ level.

Never thought I'd see the day where Wolverithmetics would have angry buttsex with h1a8-style Flash IMP galaxy busting theories and spawn this horror of an offspring. But here it squats with its unholy grotesquerie.

Originally posted by zopzop
@Galan
It could possibly be an endless stalemate between Runner and Surtur. But for sure Surtur is NOT laying a finger on Runner if Runner don't want him to.

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Twilight serves several purposes, so not having the Eternal Flame in this thread is hardly a nerf; it is still very powerful and amps Surtur significantly anyway...

Doesn't matter. Surtur is still equal to full-power Odin w/o the sword.

Originally posted by ODG
Never thought I'd see the day where Wolverithmetics would have angry buttsex with h1a8-style Flash IMP galaxy busting theories and spawn this horror of an offspring. But here it squats with its unholy grotesquerie.

I lol'd.

But seriously, it's kind of silly (at the least) to assume that Runner + Adamantium sword is equal to or greater than Odin + Thor + Loki. And I don't see any plausible scenario where Runner could indefinitely hit Surtur without fear or reprisal in the form of Surtur getting lucky with a strike or just massive AoE style attacks.

Originally posted by ODG
I see, so no speedster in the history of comics has ever let his own arrogance/confidence in himself or his speed leave an opening for a slower opponent to exploit? Wait, what am I talking about... the Runner isn't arrogant or overly confident when he fights: http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b240/VoltronForce/runnersurfer4.jpg Stone-cold assassin, yo.

I already gave you my reasons for thinking that Surtur would win. You decided to pretend comics and character have nothing to do with this fight. I imagine you're just itching to make a Runner w/ adamantium sword vs Galactus thread.

After all, Runner w/ adamantium sword is like Skyfather-level according to you. And Galactus has been hurt by high heralds, ignoring the fact that he's been toppled by Skyfathers before. Boy, the things that an adamantium sword can do. Magically amp a Trans to Abstract+ level.

Never thought I'd see the day where Wolverithmetics would have angry buttsex with h1a8-style Flash IMP galaxy busting theories and spawn this horror of an offspring. But here it squats with its unholy grotesquerie.

😂

Now that was funny...even though your argument as a whole fails...that rocked! 🙂

I shot down each and every reason you gave why Surtur would win and countered with reasons why the Runner would win...and I supported my arguments with cold hard fact.

Just admit it; the Runner wins or its an endless stalemate...

I know the truth hurts, but you'll feel much better once you just let it out!! 💃

Originally posted by ODG
Never thought I'd see the day where Wolverithmetics would have angry buttsex with h1a8-style Flash IMP galaxy busting theories and spawn this horror of an offspring. But here it squats with its unholy grotesquerie.

Originally posted by Galan007
So Runner stalemates Surtur by not fighting, and/or by landing a bunch of ineffectual strikes? Hmm, w/e. At least that is more logical than saying Runner wins by virtue of poking Surtur with a needle a bunch of times. :/

You are taking away the reason it was such a threat. Given how many times you referred people back to the original Surtur/Twilight saga, it seemed rather obvious that your original intention was to have Surtur wielding the TS in all its glory... But it was only after I posted feats of such that you opted to neuter that portion of his power. Heh.

Doesn't matter. Surtur is still equal to full-power Odin w/o the sword.

So it was my original intention that Surtur wield Twilight in all its glory...eh? If that was the case, I would have specifically placed the battle in Asgard, but I didnt do that now did I?

LoL...there you go failing again.

And again, so what if Surtur is equal to Odin; he isnt as versatile as Odin, has (for a Skyfather) low durability, and is slower than Loki...

Add that up, and the Runner matches up very well against Surtur...and will slice him up limb by limb!!

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Originally posted by JakeTheBank
I lol'd.

But seriously, it's kind of silly (at the least) to assume that Runner + Adamantium sword is equal to or greater than Odin + Thor + Loki. And I don't see any plausible scenario where Runner could indefinitely hit Surtur without fear or reprisal in the form of Surtur getting lucky with a strike or just massive AoE style attacks.

Without PIS being a factor (and its not a factor in a forum fight), any and everything Surtur could possibly do would be coming at the Runner in very slow motion...

That fact combined with the Runners combat speed means that he could avoid any and everything Surtur attempted with ease...

So yeah, Surtur wouldnt be able to lay a finger on the Runner unless the Runner allows him to...

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Add that up, and I'm over this red-headed stepchild of a thread. 👆

Originally posted by Galan007
So Runner stalemates Surtur by not fighting, and/or by landing a bunch of ineffectual strikes? Hmm, w/e. At least that is more logical than saying Runner wins by virtue of poking Surtur with a needle a bunch of times. :/

Originally posted by Galan007
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Add that up, and I'm over this red-headed stepchild of a thread. 👆

Good riddens...

You've been thoroughly out argued anyway; you lost! 😂

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