Surtur W/Twilight Sword Vs DP Tyrant

Originally posted by Galan007
In most cases(inc. this one), yes. Feats are simply the most accurate way in which to gauge a character in the hypothetical versus battles presented on this forum-- statements, and/or implied power can only take a character so far. That said, Odin has a shit-ton of uber feats-- feats that put him above DP Tyrant, imo. So again: Feat-wise, Surtur /w/ Twilight>Surtur w/o Twilight=FP Odin>DP Tyrant.

And personally, I liken Tyrant's ability to contend with Galactus via BSE-absorption, to Luthor using Kryptonite to defeat Superman... Or IW using Hyperspace energy to defeat Exitar. Superman is more powerful than Luthor, Exitar is more powerful than IW, Galactus is more powerful than DP Tyrant. In the end, PIS-sy plot-devices simply prevailed in those instances. Just MO. /shrug

I just gave you a few examples of people having more feats but them not being more powerful. This happens all the time in comics and a way of life. The problems with the examples you used are that they don’t matter.. even if you throw out the fight as PIS it doesn’t matter because we are left with this…

1. Galactus created Tyrant to be his equal and made in his own image. Thus we can safely say canon narration has Tyrant to be very close in power to Galctus. Somebody who is above Odin.
2. We have the first battle lasting thousands of years before Galactus winning won… which FURTHER supports that Tyrant was meant to be his equal and very likely his equal. To compare… a galactus who didn’t feed as well nor prep for Odin.. beat odin pretty easily and in a short period of time. It took galactus thousands of years to defeat tyrant.. and you’re going to tell me Odin is more powerful. That defies common sense and logic.
3. We have Galactus very leary about fighting tyrant because of how powerful he was. he expressed this to anybody who would listen. this is canon narration again citing how powerful Tyrant is that has nothing to do with the final fight.
4. We have galactus backing down from Tyrant the first time he met him because he didn’t want galaxies destroyed as a side effect and he wsn’t ready for battle. In contrast… Galactus never expressed such concern about facing Odin… didn’t think about backing down from Odin.. shit he didn’t even feel the need to find a ripe planet to feed on.
5. Surfer who knows Galactus and Tyrant well and felt tyrant’s power.. said he need to hurry to the battle before they both destroy each other.. think about that destroy each other. That clearly implies how big a threat even surfer and the writer felt tyrant was. Surfer never expressed concern about galactus facing odin

You see all of the above.. that has NOTHING to do with the actual fight. It was all to establish Tyrant power level and it was established well. It was established to be above Odin.. even if you throw out the fight. But why throw out the fight.. the fight played out just as you might think. A huge legit threat beat his foe. No big surprise. It doesn’t matter how he defeated him because he was already built up TO be able to defeat him regardless. So as you can see it doesn’t matter how he did it.. he was already expected to be able to and did so. This isn’ t a case of somebody being clearly inferior and then pulls out a plot device to win. This is a case of somebody built up over many issues to be a legit threat to galactus.. somebody made in his image to be his equal being a threat and he was just that.

Then when you add Thanos into the mix it becomes even more clear. Thanos studies tyrant for issue after issue looking for a weakness to exploit. Acquires an amp to fight Tyratn and yet still backs down and losses and admits he would be killed. Compare that to Odin vs. Thanos…. Thanos doesn’t prep at all for Odin.. doesn’t acquire an amp from Odin.. in fact he was seekig Odin’s help not to fight hm. yet he never.. not ONCE did he back down from odin nor admit odin was his superior in a MUCH LONGER fight. When you view that fight plus the above it becomes clear Tyrant was meant to be above Odin and probably is. Sure odin has more feats but I posted out numerous examples of more feats doesn’t mean you are more powerful. Odin also has low showings that Tyrant doesn’t have. We don’t just go by high feats we go by them all. Tyrant doesn’t have any low feats so we can use all of his… Odin does and has been humbled by an army of oversized ants. Shit, a thanos clone with prep owned odin with ease. The real thanos prepped and couldn’t take tyrant? See a pattern here? The pattern is Tyrant > Odin.

Why did you post so much?

I'm right, you're wrong. Deal with it. 👆

you're only right in that Odin has more feats.. which as I've shown and proven doesn't mean you're more powerful. Somebody above odin created somebody in his own image to be his equal. That person by default would be above Odin. Then when we view that it took Galactus a short time to defeat Odin with relative ease.. compared to it taking thousands of years to defeat Tyrant.. then losing the second time.. it becomes abundantly clear Tyrant is above Odin. If not, why did odin get owned in a short period of time.. yet it took galactus thousands of years to defeat tyrant. Could ti be because Tyratn was made in galactus image to be his equal and truly was that powerful??????? ding ding ding. Game over my good buddy. More feats doesn't equal more powerful as I've proven and certainly not in this case.

Originally posted by Galan007
Why did you post so much?

I'm right, you're wrong. Deal with it. 👆

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
you're only right in that Odin has more feats.. which as I've shown and proven doesn't mean you're more powerful. Somebody above odin created somebody in his own image to be his equal. That person by default would be above Odin. Then when we view that it took Galactus a short time to defeat Odin with relative ease.. compared to it taking thousands of years to defeat Tyrant.. then losing the second time.. it becomes abundantly clear Tyrant is above Odin. If not, why did odin get owned in a short period of time.. yet it took galactus thousands of years to defeat tyrant. Could ti be because Tyratn was made in galactus image to be his equal and truly was that powerful??????? ding ding ding. Game over my good buddy. More feats doesn't equal more powerful as I've proven and certainly not in this case.

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Originally posted by zopzop

And regarding the blast that sent Galactus flying, it wasn't a cheap shot :

Galactus was looking right at him
and was about to attack Thanos for trespassing on his ship.

As for this thread: KuRuPT's been bringing the pain! 👆

Originally posted by Raisen
This is why I hate these kind of fights. Then Galactus gets thrown into the scenario. Isn't Galactus supposed to be omniscient? How could he even get sucker punched by anything less than an abstract then?

Its called PIS...

Marvel jobs Galactus out like a cheap wh0re on a regular basis; some aspect of him is typically written down to make another character look good on way too frequent a basis...

Sometimes its his intelligence thats being written down (like against Tyrant; failing to 'remember' Tyrants entire powerset despite knowing him "IN and OUT"😉...

Sometimes its his near omniscience thats being written down (like against Agamotto; failing to realize that a giant talking catapillar is more than "an ordinary catapillar"😉...

It goes on and on...

People take comics too seriously. They act like it's the bible with no contradictions. Comics have high and low showings that contradict each other. I can twist things to show that X >>> Y and then twist things to make Y>>>>X so that we reach a contradiction.

IMO DP Tyrant is physically more powerful than Odin but Odin is vastly more powerful in energy and effects.

Originally posted by h1a8
I can twist things

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your comment was funny too. 😄

Originally posted by abhilegend
Accepting one online comment because it supports you while refusing other because it doesn't is downright laughable.

It doesn't take a genius to figure out the difference between the opinions of Brevoort and Mcduffie, one of whom is an impotent editor who trolls fans on Formspring in his free time, while the other is an all-powerful writer who was responding to an honest-to-God query on his own website(which is primarily dedicated to Ben 10). On that note, I might be giving you too much credit.

If Brevoort says Black Panther is stronger than Surfer, abhilegend takes it as gospel.

Even though Black Panther in the very same comic admits that Surfer has vastly superior strength. Oops.

But he's willing to completely dismiss the actual author's words and takes Brevoort's statements over the authors. Does anyone notice the pattern? 😂

Black Panther was using tech...

Statements in general don't amount to much, but if you had to choose between the writer who penned the story or an editor who likes (loves) to troll fans when it comes to power level/battleboard logic, it seems like a no brainer which one would hold more weight.

Either way, it's a dumb event that happened, but Breevort's opinion means jack shit and holds even less weight than the people who write these books, even given his position in the company. And that's assuming it's actually his opinion and not him just trolling the hell out of people.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Tell that to yourself. Brevoort didn't give his own opinion on the matter, he actually thought that McDuffie himself felt that the showing was justified. We have McDuffie's own comments on the matter that nullify this trollish line of thought(one of the many thousands) of Brevoort's.

It doesn't take a genius to figure out the difference between the opinions of Brevoort and Mcduffie, one of whom is an impotent editor who trolls fans on Formspring in his free time, while the other is an all-powerful writer who was responding to an honest-to-God query on his own website(which is primarily dedicated to Ben 10). On that note, I might be giving you too much credit.

Originally posted by vince_slice
If Brevoort says Black Panther is stronger than Surfer, abhilegend takes it as gospel.

Even though Black Panther in the very same comic admits that Surfer has vastly superior strength. Oops.

But he's willing to completely dismiss the actual author's words and takes Brevoort's statements over the authors. Does anyone notice the pattern? 😂

Originally posted by abhilegend
Nice fail bro. I'm not surprised though. I'm not taking any of both comments as true. One is backtracking to save his ass and another is just trolling. Surfer gave no indication that he was letting panther armlock him due to being friends with him which he never said btw, he said Thing was a friend of him. Now who is "theorycrafting" here instead of taking on panel depictions as truth?

Nobody here is theorycrafting. Well, nobody but you perhaps. You initially claim that you would take Brevoort's claims over a fan's reiteration of McDuffie's own opinion any day, then when pointed out the utter stupidity of picking and choosing an editor's remarks over the writer's own interpretation of the scene, you pulled out the forum rules that seemingly forbid usage of such online commentary by comic book staff, and backtracked by claiming that neither of these were important.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
The only fail here is in your response. You claimed that you would take Brevoort's claims over a fan's(Nibedicus specifically) any day of the week, so it's only fair for me to say that I should take McDuffie's interpretation of the scene over yours. Why would the Surfer give such an indication if his goal is to fool the Panther into thinking that he's restraining him? Not to mention that McDuffie didn't even claim that Surfer pulled off such an elaborate deception because "he was friends" with anyone.

Nobody here is theorycrafting. Well, nobody but you perhaps. You initially claim that you would take Brevoort's claims over a fan's reiteration of McDuffie's own opinion any day, then when pointed out the utter stupidity of picking and choosing an editor's remarks over the writer's own interpretation of the scene, you pulled out the forum rules that seemingly forbid usage of such online commentary by comic book staff, and backtracked by claiming that neither of these were important.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Mcduffie backtracking to save his ass from a severe backlash after pages of arguing and justifying the armbar isn't a proof. Surfer was in obvious agony on panel. Not to mention stardust didn't ko panther in one panel. I can also post Brevoort saying that panther is actually stronger than surfer, you know. Online comments are worthless.

Lawl.

Originally posted by abhilegend
You are still trying gecko? Read my first comment and stop talking out of your ass.

I discarded both comments and I would take Brevoort's word over you or anybody over a book he himself edited and I would take Mcduffie's word over him if he wasn't backtracking after a severe backlash. As for the rest of your post, bring on panel statement or you're just theorycrafting.

I am talking specifically about your flip-flopping from taking Brevoort's words over everyone else's, to claiming that you don't care for either. Your poor attempts to label my posts as "theorycrafting" don't help you escape from the quagmire you've found yourself in either.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Who is this gecko fellow you keep blabbering about? From the sounds of it, most likely another poster that ruffled your feathers.

I am talking specifically about your flip-flopping from taking Brevoort's words over everyone else's, to claiming that you don't care for either. Your poor attempts to label my posts as "theorycrafting" don't help you escape from the quagmire you've found yourself in either.

I'm not flip-flopping at all. My position from the start is that both of those comments are worthless.

You are clearly theorycrafting here. Post the scan where surfer says he let panther armbar him otherwise. Mcduffie or Brevoort's comments mean nothing.

Originally posted by abhilegend
That's raisen level gecko.

I'm not flip-flopping at all. My position from the start is that both of those comments are worthless.

You are clearly theorycrafting here. Post the scan where surfer says he let panther armbar him otherwise. Mcduffie or Brevoort's comments mean nothing.

You very clearly are.

Nobody is theorycrafting anything here. Nobody except for all those phantoms in your head. I don't see why I need to post the scans when leonidas and vince_slice have already done so.