You Vs Villains II

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Ok, then provide scans of the current BW in comic's real life wherein she is totally vulnerable to some random noob with a sniper rifle.

I've never argued for a sniper rifle, nor have I suggested that BW would be completely vulnerable...

my position on a rifle is pretty much the same as yours. There may be something to using a shorter rifle with a higher rate of fire, but for myself for sure, I wouldn't be able to make that shot.

My position has been that I'd spend the majority of the prep time obtaining a concealable pistol and getting comfortable enough with it that a short range shot isn't going to be impossible, not to mention some type of extended magazine (I'd sac concealability for extra rounds, to a limit obviously).

After that, you really only need to know that she will, at some point walk down a street, and any normal city provides enough places to wait where it is inconceivable that BW could anticipate it. I can think of a half dozen on my block alone. Basically, anywhere where you wouldn't look out of place smoking a cigarette and where she would have to have already walked past you to have seen you (there would be a wall or something between her and you as she approached).

Wait for her to walk by, aim for the lower midsection so it would hit below a vest (which I don't think is standard gear for BW anyways), keep shooting as she goes down and put two in the head while she is on the ground. Unless you are arguing BW does military style corner sweeps of every corner or wall she comes across while walking, and given the fact she has no reason to suspect you are going to attack her, there is little to do to prevent or avoid this. If bullets are treated with any realism BW isn't close to fast enough to dodge away and a shot to the abdomen or lower back is going to have enough stopping power to drop a powerless human.

you keep throwing around the term "superspy" like that makes her some type of clairvoyant or precog.

so, ya, don't make assumptions?

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Seriously, people are assuming that a super spy that exists in an extremely more dangerous world would be completely and totally inept. IF this BW behaves the way people are trying to make her look, you wouldn't need to kill her, she'd have been dead LONG before Batmite decided to have you kill her.

or, you are making inferences that are entirely unsupported.

Originally posted by Silent Master
As I have 7 days, why wouldn't I spot her a couple times if I know where she lives? she is hardly going to be sneaking out windows or sneaking out the back and jumping several fences to get to a car she parked .5 miles away every time she leaves as that would draw attention from all her neighbors.

She'll be trying to blend in, which means acting like a normal person as much as possible.

Because you don't know what her routine is (if she even has any) and you need to figure this out for yourself as well as pick her out from a crowd at a distance from a hotel room. Especially if she decides to wear a hat/shades/wig.

That is ASSUMING she even lives NEAR a hotel. And you need to shoot her within the window of the small amount of time that you get lucky enough to spot her.

Hell, the stips ONLY point out that you know her whereabouts. This could be as vague as a name and an address.

Did you really think that all you needed to do was get her address, rent a hotel room with a good perch and a telescope and that she'd magically have a target on her head the minute she comes out of her house and stand still within your shot zone long enough for you to shoot her. All the while not noticing that some strange dude w/ a telescope has been checking her place out thru a window for several days now?

You're REALLY assuming a VERY inept super spy here.

If she acts the way you want her to, she'd soon have the reputation as the "crazy lady" of her neighborhood, at which point it would be rather easy to find out her routine by talking to some of her neighbors or their kids.

the problem is, because Nibedicus doesn't think he needs to provide scans, he can invent whatever he wants as a reaction to any ideas we might have. It basically allows him to generate anything that might make BW win, even if it is something totally out of character for BW.

Originally posted by Oliver North
I've never argued for a sniper rifle, nor have I suggested that BW would be completely vulnerable...

my position on a rifle is pretty much the same as yours. There may be something to using a shorter rifle with a higher rate of fire, but for myself for sure, I wouldn't be able to make that shot.

My position has been that I'd spend the majority of the prep time obtaining a concealable pistol and getting comfortable enough with it that a short range shot isn't going to be impossible, not to mention some type of extended magazine (I'd sac concealability for extra rounds, to a limit obviously).

After that, you really only need to know that she will, at some point walk down a street, and any normal city provides enough places to wait where it is inconceivable that BW could anticipate it. I can think of a half dozen on my block alone. Basically, anywhere where you wouldn't look out of place smoking a cigarette and where she would have to have already walked past you to have seen you (there would be a wall or something between her and you as she approached).

Wait for her to walk by, aim for the lower midsection so it would hit below a vest (which I don't think is standard gear for BW anyways), keep shooting as she goes down and put two in the head while she is on the ground. Unless you are arguing BW does military style corner sweeps of every corner or wall she comes across while walking, and given the fact she has no reason to suspect you are going to attack her, there is little to do to prevent or avoid this. If bullets are treated with any realism BW isn't close to fast enough to dodge away and a shot to the abdomen or lower back is going to have enough stopping power to drop a powerless human.

you keep throwing around the term "superspy" like that makes her some type of clairvoyant or precog.

so, ya, don't make assumptions?

Soooo, what you're saying is that you'd wait in a corner in the hopes that she'd walk down the street so that you'd be able to walk up to her and shoot her?

How do you even know if she'd be anywhere NEAR that street when she comes out? Are you gonna wait there for days on end hoping for her to just walk into that very street at that very specific time? What if she doesn't follow an established routine are you gonna wait there for 4, 5, 6 hours at a time? What if she goes from her place into a cab or a car with a provided driver, into the freakin S.H.I.E.L.D. (or villain equivalent) base as part of her day-to-day life? We don't know how she lives her day to day life (with my limited readings of her appearances). IF you could provide a scan of her walking to the nearby Starbux to get a cup of coffee and getting mugged, I might be inclined to agree with you.

Yes, I throw super spy as that's what she is in the comic. It doesn't give her clairvoyance, it gives her the foresight to plan her life around not getting herself killed by her enemies and be alert for any threat, however.

Originally posted by Oliver North
the problem is, because Nibedicus doesn't think he needs to provide scans, he can invent whatever he wants as a reaction to any ideas we might have. It basically allows him to generate anything that might make BW win, even if it is something totally out of character for BW.

You have yet to provide scans yourself.

What did I post that was out of character for BW?

Originally posted by Oliver North
the problem is, because Nibedicus doesn't think he needs to provide scans, he can invent whatever he wants as a reaction to any ideas we might have. It basically allows him to generate anything that might make BW win, even if it is something totally out of character for BW.

AGREE. Also, look at the logic he uses here ^^

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Soooo, what you're saying is that you'd wait in a corner in the hopes that she'd walk down the street so that you'd be able to walk up to her and shoot her?

How do you even know if she'd be anywhere NEAR that street when she comes out? Are you gonna wait there for days on end hoping for her to just walk into that very street at that very specific time? What if she doesn't follow an established routine are you gonna wait there for 4, 5, 6 hours at a time? What if she goes from her place into a cab or a car with a provided driver, into the freakin S.H.I.E.L.D. (or villain equivalent) base as part of her day-to-day life? We don't know how she lives her day to day life (with my limited readings of her appearances). IF you could provide a scan of her walking to the nearby Starbux to get a cup of coffee and getting mugged, I might be inclined to agree with you.

Yes, I throw super spy as that's what she is in the comic. It doesn't give her clairvoyance, it gives her the foresight to plan her life around not getting herself killed by her enemies and be alert for any threat, however.

If the worst thing you can say about my plan is "she might not walk down the street", I'll take that as a W. Its not a foolproof plan, but it takes a majority.

Originally posted by Silent Master
If she acts the way you want her to, she'd soon have the reputation as the "crazy lady" of her neighborhood, at which point it would be rather easy to find out her routine by talking to some of her neighbors or their kids.

Wearing a wig/hat/shades makes her a "crazy lady"?

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Originally posted by Oliver North
the problem is, because Nibedicus doesn't think he needs to provide scans, he can invent whatever he wants as a reaction to any ideas we might have. It basically allows him to generate anything that might make BW win, even if it is something totally out of character for BW.

The problem is, he wants her to either be a hermit or vary her routine at home so much that her neighbors will think she's paranoid. both of which would draw attention to her, which is the last thing a "superspy" would want to do.

Originally posted by Oliver North
If the worst thing you can say about my plan is "she might not walk down the street", I'll take that as a W. Its not a foolproof plan, but it takes a majority.

No, I'm saying that you're assuming that you'd need to be in the right place at the perfect time.

You're not exactly gonna live in the streets waiting for her to (luckily enough) walk into the exact street you're in with her guard down.

I'd just hide under a cement block on the sidewalk and as soon as she walked on me I'd tiger uppercut her jaw off

Originally posted by Nibedicus
You have yet to provide scans yourself.

the only assumption I've made is that BW will walk down the street.

you are correct, I haven't nor can I be bothered to provide those, as we both know you are being needlessly pedantic.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
What did I post that was out of character for BW?

when has BW ever demonstrated the counter-surveillance techniques you are describing, let alone as just part of her regular daily life?

Originally posted by Nibedicus
No, I'm saying that you're assuming that you'd need to be in the right place at the perfect time.

You're not exactly gonna live in the streets waiting for her to (luckily enough) walk into the exact street you're in with her guard down.

you know where she lives, what she looks like and have no time limit... No, maybe I wouldn't wait for days on end, but an hour or two every couple of days. Law of averages.

Originally posted by Oliver North
you know where she lives, what she looks like and have no time limit... No, maybe I wouldn't wait for days on end, but an hour or two every couple of days. Law of averages.

Actually, you know her whereabouts as per OP, but not what she'd look like at the exact moment and you have 7 days.

Well, good luck with that 2 hours a day waiting in a street corner with a pistol hoping for random luck to allow you to have your target casually walk into your street corner with her guard down. I'm sure you'd make a master assassin.

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Originally posted by Nibedicus
Actually, you know her whereabouts as per OP, but not what she'd look like at the exact moment and you have 7 days.

Well, good luck with that 2 hours a day waiting in a street corner with a pistol hoping for random luck to allow you to have your target casually walk into your street corner with her guard down. I'm sure you'd make a master assassin.

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Originally posted by Oliver North
If the worst thing you can say about my plan is "she might not walk down the street", I'll take that as a W. Its not a foolproof plan, but it takes a majority.

/shrug

Originally posted by Oliver North
the only assumption I've made is that BW will walk down the street.

you are correct, I haven't nor can I be bothered to provide those, as we both know you are being needlessly pedantic.

when has BW ever demonstrated the counter-surveillance techniques you are describing, let alone as just part of her regular daily life?

No one has scans of her "daily life". We're both assuming things here. You're assuming that she'd live her life like a regular joe carefree of any threats she might have. I assume that she'd live it like a spy/assassin who worries about her enemies finding her and killing her.

As neither of us can provide scans of Black Widow's day to day life ppl need to take each of our given assumptions based on their merits.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
I'd just hide under a cement block on the sidewalk and as soon as she walked on me I'd tiger uppercut her jaw off

I like your plan better, gives a certain drama to it.

I've never assumed she would be carefree. My plan relies on surprise and speed for exactly that reason.