Data vs. Khan

Originally posted by Robtard
Even with Quanchi's silly little "in character" rules which he turns on and off at his choosing, Data twist Khan's neck until it goes *pop*, cos he's brutally ruthless and efficient in a fight to the death.

Film proves it
<--- from a TNG film 🙂

Answer a question for me. If an enemy fires a shot at the Borg do they allow it to hit them or try to avoid it ?

Does Khan react on the same way a Borg would ?

😎

Originally posted by quanchi112
With CIs active you essentially ignore the characters. I argue based off of the characters not power sets. I will continue to laugh at the man who works for a living.

We aren't debating from an in-story perspective here Quan. Until you understand this, there is no debating with you.

That's the 6th time you have brought up my work in less than an hour Quan, are you obsessed with my success? The envy is obvious.

Originally posted by quanchi112
That only proves he can snap a Borgs neck not Khans ?

Answer a question for me. If an enemy fires a shot at the Borg do they allow it to hit them or try to avoid it ?

Does Khan react on the same way a Borg would ?

😎

So back to classic clown tactics, eh? 'Data can only snap a Borg's neck cos that's the only neck we see him snap'. This is telling.

Borg are like ants, the collective doesn't care if it loses a few and losing a few is to their advantage(this is besides the point that dead Drones can be reanimated), as the deaths of a few Drones means they'll learn their target's tactics and adapt, allowing them to win. Sacrificing a few is a win tactic in the end. Basic ST lore 🙂

But yes, the Borg can dodge attacks. In the ST:Voyager ep Unimatrix Zero (pt1). A Klingon took out a couple of Drones with his bat'leth; then the 3rd adapted and side-stepped the attack 🙂

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
We aren't debating from an in-story perspective here Quan. Until you understand this, there is no debating with you.

That's the 6th time you have brought up my work in less than an hour Quan, are you obsessed with my success? The envy is obvious.

You're clearly miserable. I'd rather be happy and good looking then overweight and rich.

Khan wins.

Originally posted by Robtard
So back to classic clown tactics, eh? 'Data can only snap a Borg's neck cos that's the only neck we see him snap'. This is telling.

Borg are like ants, the collective doesn't care if it loses a few and losing a few is to their advantage(this is besides the point that dead Drones can be reanimated), as the deaths of a few Drones means they'll learn their target's tactics and adapt, allowing them to win. Sacrificing a few is a win tactic in the end. Basic ST lore 🙂

But yes, the Borg can dodge attacks. In the ST:Voyager ep Unimatrix Zero (pt1). A Klingon took out a couple of Drones with his bat'leth; then the 3rd adapted and side-stepped the attack 🙂

So your answer is clear. Borg don't care about survival unlike Khan.

Only arguing movies, kiddo. 😂

Smh...

Data.

I realize Into Darkness was exceptional, but Data.

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, I didn't say that. I said that you proved he can snap a slow moving Borgs neck not Khans neck. Khan doesn't just tank enemy fire nor does he fight in the same manner.

So your answer is clear. Borg don't care about survival unlike Khan.

Only arguing movies, kiddo. 😂

Khan also isn't some speed blitzer as you fantasize. It took him 9-10 seconds to fully beat the crap out of a normal human.

Not, that's not my answer, that's you making another strawman.

Read the MVF rules already, sporto. TV shows count if they're part of a film. If you can't handle having your ass handed to you cos you're ignorant of a combatant, stop debating 🙂

Originally posted by MF DELPH
Smh...

Data.

I realize Into Darkness was exceptional, but Data.

Originally posted by Robtard
Khan also isn't some speed blitzer as you fantasize. It took him 9-10 seconds to fully beat the crap out of a normal human.

Not, that's not my answer, that's you making another strawman.

Read the MVF rules already, sporto. TV shows count if they're part of a film. If you can't handle having your ass handed to you cos you're ignorant of a combatant, stop debating 🙂

Yes, you are making false comparisons but trying to act like its the same thing despite admitting the Borg doesn't care about individual units.

My opinion has to do with moves only. Quit responding to me then.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Faster reflexes and feats than Data while in combat.

Yes, you are making false comparisons but trying to act like its the same thing despite admitting the Borg doesn't care about individual units.

My opinion has to do with moves only. Quit responding to me then.

Nothing suggest he's going to just evade Data indefinitely, which movie did you watch. 🙂

Nope. I explained the Borg to you and even gave you an example of the Borg dodging; you then made a strawman argument and attacked that strawman.

In other words: 'Stop proving me wrong and pointing out I have no place in this thread cos I'm character ignorant!' IMO, that's pretty cowardly.

Originally posted by Robtard
Nothing suggest he's going to just evade Data indefinitely 🙂

Nope. I explained it to you; you then made a strawman and attacked that.

In other words: 'Stop proving me wrong and pointing out I have no place in this thread cos I'm character ignorant!' IMO, that's pretty cowardly.

Nope, you agreed. Easy to outsmart you.

Movies only I am arguing and Khan clearly wins.

Data wins.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You haven't used any combat feats to prove superiority for Data so you concede.

Nope, you agreed. Easy to outsmart you.

Movies only I am arguing and Khan clearly wins.

Data's neck snapping feats, which you can't counter so you dance around.

Keep beating up those strawmen.

Sorry, you don't get to dictate the rules of the MVF. Should have put that in the OP; too late now 🙂

But using movies only since you're crying about it, Data snaps Khan's neck.

Film proves it
<--- from a TNG film 🙂

Originally posted by quanchi112
Based on what ?

Based on the fact that, if you've watched TNG, you know that Data's hand/eye coordination is beyond peak human, or even an augmented 5x human, as he was capable of rearranging objects at hyperspeed (isolinear chips, repairs to his daughter Lal), casually lift an anvil, bend a reinforced steel bar effortlessly, etc. Data is pinpoint accurate, he has no stamina issues and is able to operate at maximum capacity for days, and the materials he's composed of are reinforced steel alloys below his shell. Data can make it so he feels no pain (able to switch off his emotion chip) and he's capable of high level strategic planning. His senses (hearing, sight) are superior. The only aspect where Khan has any advantage would be ruthlessness and battle experience, which won't matter, particularly in the melee matches, as he would be hard pressed to harm Data without an energy weapon.

Btw, that's a lame schtick you've got going.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Incorrect:

1. Data literally cannot be physically harmed by Khan's hands. Did you see the Klingon almost knock himself out headbutting Data? Data is also bullet-proof. Not bullet-resistant, bullet proof. Even with 5 times the strength of a human, Khan literally has no way of damaging Data with his fists. Data, on the other hand, possess the strength to literally tear Khan apart, limb from limb.

2. Data can move at super speeds. CIS is off in all threads unless otherwise stated so we won't get a version of Data that is holding back as to not appear creepy to other humans: he's going all out. Data is well-versed in Klingon culture. He will know how to use a Bat'leth and Khan won't. As Worf described to his son, a Bat'leth is difficult to use because of the weight distribution and it takes practice...something Data will not have to do at all. Granted, Khan will master it quickly being the super genius he is, he just won't be able to insta-master it like Data will have already done. Data is also stupid fast: Khan will have no chance of actually swinging the Bat'leth before Data cuts him in half. There is that much of a speed difference.

3. This one almost gives Khan a chance. He has legit good aim and aim speed. However, again, Data's superior speed and reflexes will win this without Data being pushed any harder than the previous two. Data will literally be able to pick up and fire his phaser before Khan can register, visually, that he is looking at Data: data is not limited to the speed of neuronal impulse. Data's reflexes operate at 1/60000000000 of a second as registering Khan, visually, can be any of the 1 out of 60000000000 processes he calculates in that second...and it will obviously get top priority his his positronic brain. 🙂

Originally posted by MF DELPH
Based on the fact that, if you've watched TNG, you know that Data's hand/eye coordination is beyond peak human, or even an augmented 5x human, as he was capable of rearranging objects at hyperspeed (isolinear chips, repairs to his daughter Lal), casually lift an anvil, bend a reinforced steel bar effortlessly, etc. Data is pinpoint accurate, he has no stamina issues and is able to operate at maximum capacity for days, and the materials he's composed of are reinforced steel alloys below his shell. Data can make it so he feels no pain (able to switch off his emotion chip) and he's capable of high level strategic planning. His senses (hearing, sight) are superior. The only aspect where Khan has any advantage would be ruthlessness and battle experience, which won't matter, particularly in the melee matches, as he would be hard pressed to harm Data without an energy weapon.

Btw, that's a lame schtick you've got going.

Quan can't process this, guys.

You'd need to make a film of Data ****ing up a bunch of people with Zack Snyder's choreography, and slow mow w/stop motion for Data's superiority to register. Otherwise you might as well be asking Quan to read a book. . 😱

Originally posted by Dolos

You'd need to make a film of Data ****ing up a bunch of people with Zack Snyder's choreography, and slow mow w/stop motion for Data's superiority to register.

thats pretty much his gimmick.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Data wins.

Originally posted by Robtard
Data's neck snapping feats, which you can't counter so you dance around.

Keep beating up those strawmen.

Sorry, you don't get to dictate the rules of the MVF. Should have put that in the OP; too late now 🙂

But using movies only since you're crying about it, Data snaps Khan's neck.

Film proves it
<--- from a TNG film 🙂

Nope, Khan is quicker and doesn't let his opponents blast/attack him like the Borg allow either.

Originally posted by MF DELPH
Based on the fact that, if you've watched TNG, you know that Data's hand/eye coordination is beyond peak human, or even an augmented 5x human, as he was capable of rearranging objects at hyperspeed (isolinear chips, repairs to his daughter Lal), casually lift an anvil, bend a reinforced steel bar effortlessly, etc. Data is pinpoint accurate, he has no stamina issues and is able to operate at maximum capacity for days, and the materials he's composed of are reinforced steel alloys below his shell. Data can make it so he feels no pain (able to switch off his emotion chip) and he's capable of high level strategic planning. His senses (hearing, sight) are superior. The only aspect where Khan has any advantage would be ruthlessness and battle experience, which won't matter, particularly in the melee matches, as he would be hard pressed to harm Data without an energy weapon.

Btw, that's a lame schtick you've got going.

Data also let's his opponents shoot him and doesn't really fight at blazing speeds either.

Ruthlessness and battle experience does matter. Khans Kombat feats are also quicker than how Data typically fights.

What's a lame shtick ?

Originally posted by Dolos
Quan can't process this, guys.

You'd need to make a film of Data ****ing up a bunch of people with Zack Snyder's choreography, and slow mow w/stop motion for Data's superiority to register. Otherwise you might as well be asking Quan to read a book. . 😱