Data vs. Khan

Originally posted by quanchi112
Faster, warrior like mind unlike Datas, more ruthless, etc.

Irrelevant when the physical difference is so far staggeringly against Khan. OP says out to kill, and Data has no emo chip active, thus he has all the ruthless efficiency of a machine.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Khan wins. Movies only keep in mind as I'm too smart to watch the shitty male soap opera.

I do believe nobody cares Quan.

Originally posted by Impediment
Announcement:

I'm amending the rules to allow tv feats for characters that have appeared in both film and television.

It just seems fair and makes threads more fun.

Rule of Mod, learn to live with it.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I disagree with you. I did not create all threads but when I'm interested you all seem to follow. Love it.

-Create a strawman argument.

-Disagree with strawman argument.

This is all you have.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Irrelevant when the physical difference is so far staggeringly against Khan. OP says out to kill, and Data has no emo chip active, thus he has all the ruthless efficiency of a machine.

I do believe nobody cares Quan.

Rule of Mod, learn to live with it.

You care. Your manhunt for me definitely proves I have my own posse failing in pursuit of me at every turn.

My opinion has to do with the movies only. I've stated that. Live with it.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I am only commenting on the movie versions only. I've said this multiple times so continue to cry about it.

Khan was much faster in combat than Data. Data also let his opponents tag him.

Khan already beats him. He isn't some slow a borg member. Lets not get nuts here.

The screen feat of Data snapping a neck IS FROM THE FILMS, bandwagon-boi.

<--- from a TNG film 🙂

Khan dies via shown neck snapping feats. Stop ignoring screen feats cos they sodomize your 'I pick my favorite of the month' type of arguments.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Still slower and less impressive feats. Your machines win has no actual basis and isn't evidences.

Only in your Quan Logic interpreted viewpoint Quan.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You care. Your manhunt for me definitely proves I have my own posse failing in pursuit of me at every turn.

More Quan logic = "The Omniverse revolves around me, and I have Stalkers!"

Originally posted by quanchi112
My opinion has to do with the movies only. I've stated that. Live with it.

Then go to a forum that accommodates your narrow minded views Quan. Nobody here gives a crap.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Only in your Quan Logic interpreted viewpoint Quan.

More Quan logic = "The Omniverse revolves around me, and I have Stalkers!"

Then go to a forum that accommodates your narrow minded views Quan. Nobody here gives a crap.

Khan wins per movie versions.

Originally posted by Robtard
The screen feat of Data snapping a neck IS FROM THE FILMS, bandwagon-boi.

<--- from a TNG film 🙂

Khan dies via shown neck snapping feats. Stop ignoring screen feats cos they sodomize your 'I pick my favorite of the month' type of arguments.

Khan is quicker via combat and wins all three.

Originally posted by quanchi112
yes, I know it is and snapping a Borgs neck isn't proof he can do the same to Khan who is quicker, smarter, more ruthless, etc.

Khan is quicker via combat and wins all three.

You do now, cos I explained it to you. That's not stopping Data from breaking Khan's neck.

Another baseless bandwagon-boi claim. Stop ignoring screen feats, Data snaps Khan's neck while making a ruthless expression.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Nah, I debate in character. You don't have to but doing such you abandon the characters themselves.

Saying he can't lose based on never seeing it is bad logic IMO.

Good thing that's not my logic because I'm using his feats of defeating tons of characters, hand to hand and some superior to Khan, to state why his lossless hand to hand streak actually means something.

Originally posted by quanchi112
[BTe Borg from the original series aren't impressive in terms of reflexes, etc. The only thing impressive is their ability to adapt..[/B]

Don't forget superhuman strength (enough that it endangers Data's person as stated by the holodec when he tried to amp the strength up to "real borg" levels), and superhuman durability.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Based off of feats, temperament, what's in character, abilities, etc. you are taking one part of the equation and making it the entire equation. Feel free to debate in such a manner. That's not me. I debate why said character wins by fighting in character. My way if different than yours.

Watching the scene against the Klingons it's easy to see why I feel Khan stomps.

In character, Data still wins with ease as he has always stepped up when danger, to his person or others, strikes. He just holds back as to not frighten people and rarely has he "amped it up" in the show.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Replacing all of the control chips in engineering was stated to take a human between 2 and 3 hours, Data did it in 10 minutes.

You sure it was 10 minutes?

As I recall from episode commentary, the feat was not necessarily about speed more than it was about carefully placing them into their slots because those chips were very fragile/sensitive. Data is really fast, of course, but his "speed feat" here has more to do with his precision and care WHILE moving super fast rather than just pure speed. A human takes that long because we are not as precise as a robot...it is assumed that a super-genius like Geordi La Forge has the precise chip configuration memorized so he spends no time looking at a configuration display while doing it. A less than super genius level human would take far longer than 2-3 hours. Keep in mind, the engineers on the Enterprise D are supposed to be the best of the best: this is the Federation's flagship. So comparing the "normal" 2 to 3 hour requirement to the engineers on the Enterprise D is like comparing engineering graduates from MIT to a 2-year state school in Alabama.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You can't back your case so you concede. Happily accepted.

Not at all, you've refused to answer points from anyone here. that YOUR concession has been accepted long ago.

NuFanboy should learn not to speak when his elders are talking.

Originally posted by Robtard
You do now, cos I explained it to you. That's not stopping Data from breaking Khan's neck.

Another baseless bandwagon-boi claim. Stop ignoring screen feats, Data snaps Khan's neck while making a ruthless expression.

Khans reflexes and superior combat skills say otherwise.

Prove it,

Originally posted by Robtard
-Create a strawman argument.

-Disagree with strawman argument.

This is all you have.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Not at all, you've refused to answer points from anyone here. that YOUR concession has been accepted long ago.

NuFanboy should learn not to speak when his elders are talking.

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, it's from that laughable film. Always knew it.

Khans reflexes and superior combat skills say otherwise.

Prove it,

"That laughable film". You think you're safe using vague responses.

Not really, Khan no super-speed-blitzer as you want to think. Does have a decent jump and is a good fighter though. But it also took him 9-10 seconds to beat down a regular human. Data can snap necks easy-peasy.

Film proves it
<--- from a TNG film 🙂

Originally posted by dadudemon
Good thing that's not my logic because I'm using his feats of defeating tons of characters, hand to hand and some superior to Khan, to state why his lossless hand to hand streak actually means something.

Don't forget superhuman strength (enough that it endangers Data's person as stated by the holodec when he tried to amp the strength up to "real borg" levels), and superhuman durability.

In character, Data still wins with ease as he has always stepped up when danger, to his person or others, strikes. He just holds back as to not frighten people and rarely has he "amped it up" in the show.

You sure it was 10 minutes?

As I recall from episode commentary, the feat was not necessarily about speed more than it was about carefully placing them into their slots because those chips were very fragile/sensitive. Data is really fast, of course, but his "speed feat" here has more to do with his precision and care WHILE moving super fast rather than just pure speed. A human takes that long because we are not as precise as a robot...it is assumed that a super-genius like Geordi La Forge has the precise chip configuration memorized so he spends no time looking at a configuration display while doing it. A less than super genius level human would take far longer than 2-3 hours. Keep in mind, the engineers on the Enterprise D are supposed to be the best of the best: this is the Federation's flagship. So comparing the "normal" 2 to 3 hour requirement to the engineers on the Enterprise D is like comparing engineering graduates from MIT to a 2-year state school in Alabama.

They are slow though. Khan is fast and uses weaponry powerful enough to down airships and is fast enough to hold a huge advantage over Data.

When has he ever shown reflexes in combat greater than Khans ala Into Darkness ?

Originally posted by quanchi112
You made baseless claims and ignore how Data consistently fights. Khan wins.

Your assuming CIS is active when nobody else is.

Cry harder.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Your assuming CIS is active when nobody else is.

Cry harder.

Originally posted by quanchi112
None of them are superior to Khan in way of feats, etc. if you want to prove it go right ahead.

You'd have to ignore tons and tons of evidence that others and myself have posted in order to make a statement like this.

Originally posted by quanchi112
They are slow though. Khan is fast and uses weaponry powerful enough to down airships and is fast enough to hold a huge advantage over Data.

Watch:

Data is fast and uses weaponry powerful to down airships and is fast enough to hold an advantage over Khan.

Doesn't really add anything to the discussion, does it?

Originally posted by quanchi112
When has he ever shown reflexes in combat greater than Khans ala Into Darkness ?

When he caught the semi-sentient poisonous jungle vines that attached barbs to people when it was trying to attack one of his away mission comrades. The vines were so fast at attacking that the first human attacked by it didn't even know they were attacked nor could anyone perceive that that person was attacked: they didn't know that the vines attacked that person until that person was back aboard the ship. Data caught the vine, with ease. 🙂

Your move. 🙂

Even with Quanchi's silly little "in character" rules which he turns on and off at his choosing, Data twist Khan's neck until it goes *pop*, cos he's brutally ruthless and efficient in a fight to the death.

Film proves it
<--- from a TNG film 🙂

Originally posted by dadudemon
You'd have to ignore tons and tons of evidence that others and myself have posted in order to make a statement like this.

Watch:

Data is fast and uses weaponry powerful to down airships and is fast enough to hold an advantage over Khan.

Doesn't really add anything to the discussion, does it?

When he caught the semi-sentient poisonous jungle vines that attached barbs to people when it was trying to attack one of his away mission comrades. The vines were so fast at attacking that the first human attacked by it didn't even know they were attacked nor could anyone perceive that that person was attacked: they didn't know that the vines attacked that person until that person was back aboard the ship. Data caught the vine, with ease. 🙂

Your move. 🙂

Has Data ever fought a squad of Klingons in the same manner with the relative ease in which Khan did so ? If Data hasn't then my case is solid.

Was this in the tv series ?