Data vs. Khan

Movie Data and TV Data are one in the same, so it all applies and is all canon.

There was an episode of TNG where an automated laser drill was taken over by a silicon based hive mind species and used to kill scientist at the outpost. Data entered the room with the laser drill and dodged multiple blast from the drill and disabled it in seconds. With Data being a science officer he doesn't typically engage in hand to hand combat often, but the few times he has exerted himself aggressively he has proven to be pretty formidable. There's also the sequence in Insurrection where he sonned Worf.

And beyond that, Data is still stronger, more physically durable, smarter, and has superior stamina than Khan. As well as faster. Let's not forget Data is an android made out of duranium alloy. It's not going to be like punching Spock.

And the schtick is your "based on what?" reply. It's lame.

Originally posted by Impediment
I edited the OP.

This is now Data from all of TNG films and not the television series.

I have to be fair to my own rule about television films only in the MVF.

Were I to allow TNG series, this would have to go in the All Versus Forum.

Even with this stip it is still the same character with the same character history. It's like saying that Malcolm Reynolds from Firefly and Malcolm Reynolds from the Serenity film are different versions.

Originally posted by MF DELPH
Movie Data and TV Data are one in the same, so it all applies and is all canon.

There was an episode of TNG where an automated laser drill was taken over by a silicon based hive mind species and used to kill scientist at the outpost. Data entered the room with the laser drill and dodged multiple blast from the drill and disabled it in seconds. With Data being a science officer he doesn't typically engage in hand to hand combat often, but the few times he has exerted himself aggressively he has proven to be pretty formidable. There's also the sequence in Insurrection where he sonned Worf.

And beyond that, Data is still stronger, more physically durable, smarter, and has superior stamina than Khan. As well as faster. Let's not forget Data is an android made out of duranium alloy. It's not going to be like punching Spock.

And the schtick is your "based on what?" reply. It's lame.

He doesn't typically fight in combat faster, already has been proven he lets people shoot him, isn't as ruthless, nor is he as combat intelligent.

Nothing Data has done comes close to decimating the Klingons in combat.

Your lame.

If you think Khan will just mindlessly throw haymakers at Data you've got another thing coming. Take it from the resident reboot Trekkie.

Star Trek: Into Darkness. Best Star Trek ever.

It doesn't matter if Khan throws haymakers or not, what matters is what Data is composed of and the fact that once he grabs hold of Khan it's over as it's steel vs flesh. The only fight in which Khan stands a good chance of a majority is the fight with energy weapons, and in that fight Khan is still at a disadvantage because Data has super senses of hearing and sight, so in a forum battle it'd be hard for Khan to get the drop on him.

In a physical battle Data will 'politely' incapacitate Khan. He's not going to punch and chop Data into unconsciousness.

Originally posted by MF DELPH
It doesn't matter if Khan throws haymakers or not, what matters is what Data is composed of and the fact that once he grabs hold of Khan it's over as it's steel vs flesh. The only fight in which Khan stands a good chance of a majority is the fight with energy weapons, and in that fight Khan is still at a disadvantage because Data has super senses of hearing and sight, so in a forum battle it'd be hard for Khan to get the drop on him.

In a physical battle Data will 'politely' incapacitate Khan. He's not going to punch and chop Data into unconsciousness.

No, we argue based on how they fight not how you script the battle.

Data is slower and allows his foes to attack him. Khan clearly wins.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Knocks him off the railing. Clearly strong enough and quick enough to do so.

No, we argue based on how they fight not how you script the battle.

Data is slower and allows his foes to attack him. Khan clearly wins.

And Data's just going to stand there still while Khan both grabs and throws him off the railing, never capitalizing that Khan has to get in close to do what you say. Cos you scripted it.

Originally posted by Impediment
I'm starting to understand.

Really, I guess it wouldn't hurt.

Actually, looks like TV feats are allowed, which means Data's laser drill dodging feats from the Home Soil episode count. So:

YouTube video

Is fair game. Meaning Data being fast enough to dodge lasers after they've been fired (0:28) is fair game.

Assuming Data knows this is a fight and that the danger is real Khan's getting sonned.

Originally posted by Robtard
And Data's just going to stand there still while Khan both grabs and throws him off the railing, never capitalizing that Khan has to get in close to do what you say. Cos you scripted it.

Khan wins. Accept it already.

Originally posted by MF DELPH
Is fair game. Meaning Data being fast enough to dodge lasers after they've been fired (0:28) is fair game.

The second shot seems most realistic: Data moves an instant before the laser fires (anticipatory dodging, if you will). As for the first laser shot: as you correctly indicated, it shows the beam (traveling at lightspeed) firing, then from a distance of, what, two feet(?), Data dodges the actual beam already in flight.

I don't know if that was intentional by the writers. Frankly, imho, it smacks of PIS, or just a sequencing oversight. Otherwise we have to conclude that Data isn't just fast, he's FTL/warp speed fast, PLUS, he has some form of superluminal perception that enables him to see a lightspeed attack coming.

Regardless, Data doesn't need PIS to beat Khan...unless Khan is firing a laser. 😛

Originally posted by MF DELPH
Actually, looks like TV feats are allowed, which means Data's laser drill dodging feats from the Home Soil episode count. So:

YouTube video

Is fair game. Meaning Data being fast enough to dodge lasers after they've been fired (0:28) is fair game.

Assuming Data knows this is a fight and that the danger is real Khan's getting sonned.

Concession accepted.

Originally posted by MF DELPH
Concession accepted.

Khan wins.

Same character, same universe, same feats. Your lack of familiarity doesn't change that.

Concession reinforced and accepted again.

Originally posted by MF DELPH
Same character, same universe, same feats. Your lack of familiarity doesn't change that.

Concession reinforced and accepted again.

I didn't concede. Funny how you call concession accepted lame and them imitate me.

Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

Star Trek TV Shows are Canon to Star Trek films. There is no different versions. This is why the fallout from the events of First Contact effected Star Trek Enterprise and Star Trek Voyager, as well as why the film Wrath of Khan took place as a direct result of the episode Space Seed from the Original Series. Your lack of knowledge of the source material doesn't change that. The full character history is fair play, not just the films.

Concession, again, accepted.

Originally posted by MF DELPH
Star Trek TV Shows are Canon to Star Trek films. There is no different versions. This is why the fallout from the events of First Contact effected Star Trek Enterprise and Star Trek Voyager, as well as why the film Wrath of Khan took place as a direct result of the episode Space Seed from the Original Series. Your lack of knowledge of the source material doesn't change that. The full character history is fair play, not just the films.

Concession, again, accepted.

My opinion is just based off the films and portrayals therein. Data I'd bet is close or exactly the same portrayal wise as he was in the films.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Data stood there as a rifle fired into him. That's an example of him allowing it.

Yes, Khan gets in close due to superior consistent combat speed.

Khan wins. Accept it already.

Since you've not seen the film, you lack all context as usual. Data allowed it because he knew he could take the bullets and he wasn't trying to kill the woman. It wasn't a Vs match to the death, you ignoramus.

Khan took 9-10 seconds to beat up a normal human. Yeah, "consistent combat speed" 😂 You don't even know the feats of the character you champion.

Data wins, film proves it:
<--- from a TNG film 🙂

Originally posted by Robtard
Since you've not seen the film, you lack all context as usual. Data allowed it because he knew he could take it and he wasn't trying to kill the woman, it wasn't a Vs match to the death, you ignoramus.

Data wins, film proves it:
<--- from a TNG film 🙂

Quit being a child.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Data isn't fast and allows attacks to strike him. That's his downfall as you yourself say Khan can't hurt him so by your own logic he will let him attack him.

Quit being a child.

Now you're scripting what Data will do in a death match. Read the OP already 🙂

Repeat: Khan took 9-10 seconds to beat up a normal human. Yeah, "consistent combat speed" You don't even know the feats of the character you champion.

Stop ignoring screen feats 🙂

Data wins, film proves it:
<--- from a TNG film 🙂

Originally posted by Robtard
Now you're scripting what Data will do in a death match. Read the OP already 🙂

Repeat: Khan took 9-10 seconds to beat up a normal human. Yeah, "consistent combat speed" You don't even know the feats of the character you champion.

Stop ignoring screen feats 🙂

Data wins, film proves it:
<--- from a TNG film 🙂

By your own logic Data won't even view him as a threat aka let him attack. You use self serving logic. I don't.

Khan wins.