Originally posted by Nephthys
He has?My understanding is that Dooku has constantly been able to overpower Skywalker and use it to his great advantage in battle.
On Tatooine, Anakin pushes Dooku back with the Force; Dooku redirects the attack causing Anakin to fall on the sand but it had zero impact on the outcome; Anakin put Dooku on his ass a few seconds after that.
In their other duel, Dooku was getting choked on the steps until he blasts Anakin across the hall with his lightning, only for Anakin to force Dooku to flee a few seconds later.
The only time when Dooku has held the advantage over Anakin was on Naboo when he had four or so Magnaguards to aid himself, constantly weakening him until Dooku chokes him and blasts him with lightning until he goes unconcious.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Dooku cannot defeat Mace (ROTS incarnation); Dooku isn't supremely strong in the dark side (his limitations do not apply to relatively stronger individuals).
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
You mean Vitiate? Well, "instantly" may not be an ideal choice of word but Force powers can be unleashed at such a speed that it is not easy to evade them. Some powers cannot be evaded simply by the way.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
She can atomize defenseless humans with her Sith Sorcery. In-fact, she was destroying Bane's body with her Sith Sorcery.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Concession accepted.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Genius, I stated that she could disintegrate rocky formations with her powers; do you think that Malgus is defenseless like Maladins? Follow the argument properly and stop wasting my time.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Genius, he ripped a "vaulted stone archway" free from its foundation and it fell to the ground in the form of debris.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
How he performed the feat is not important; he performed the feat of disintegration which is important.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
No, this isn't how logic works. It is important to focus on the effort put in to performing a feat.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Genius, that is a BETA build.This is the polished build:
Once the Temple begins to fall apart, the Jedi Knight escapes but the screen goes temporarily blank and when it returns, we get to see the Jedi Knight inside his ship.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Haven't you read Darth Bane: Path of Destruction?The power unleashed by Bane collapsed a building. Kas'im certainly tolerated the power (since he isn't a defenseless Maladin) but he couldn't prevent tons of rock to crush him beneath. The whole event is one of the greatest display of power in the whole mythos.
"I agree," Bane replied, hurling out the wave of Force energy he had been gathering during the Blademaster's speech.
There was nothing subtle about Bane's attack: the massive shock wave shook the very foundations of the great Rakatan Temple. The concussive blast had enough power to shatter every bone in Kas'im's body and pulverize his flesh into a mass of pulpy liquid. But at the last possible instant he threw up a shield to protect himself from the attack.
Unfortunately, he couldn't shield the Temple around him. The walls exploded into great chunks of rubble. The archway collapsed in a shower of stone, burying Kas'im beneath tons of rock and mortar. A second later the rest of the roof caved in, drowning out the Twi'lek's dying screams with a deafening rumble.
Bane watched the spectacle of the Temple's implosion from the safety of the ground at the foot of the stairs. Billowing clouds of dust rolled out from the wreckage and down the stairs toward him. Exhausted by the long lightsaber battle and drained by the sudden unleashing of the Force, he simply lay there until he was covered in a layer of fine white powder.
Eventually he struggled wearily to his feet. Reaching out with the Force, he sought some sign that Kas'im might still be alive beneath the mountain of stone. He felt nothing. Kas'im-his mentor, the only instructor at the Academy who had ever actually helped him-was dead.
Shattering bones is good but not comparable to atomizing armored assassins.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Let me guess! You are impressed by PT era characters only.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
It gives the hyperbolic vibe in the light of the latest updates made to the mythos. Point is not about authority; point is about analyzing Dooku's accomplishments and comparing them to those of the ancients and then making a logical deduction about his relative standing in the mythos in the context of his skills and power accordingly.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Concession accepted.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
You aren't Disney either.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
Cool that the ''updated'' version of the Encyclopedia claims Sidious to be the most powerful.
SW: TERC is about all eras and no Sith Lord have been hyped in it.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
Unless new sources confirm Vitiate as more powerful than Sidious, guess what, it stands.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
Up until the point, yes. The re-released version of the Encyclopedia confirms Sidious as the most powerful ever.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
Sidious himself implies he surpassed Plagueis:Sidious paused, then, in derision, added, "Plagueis the Wise, who in his time truly was, except at the end, trusting that the Rule of Two had been superseded, and failed to realize that he would not be excused from it. Plagueis the Wise, who forged the most powerful Sith Lord the galaxy has ever known, and yet who forgot to leave a place for himself; whose pride never allowed him to question that he would no longer be needed."
Tenebrous interrupted him once more. "To be strong in the Force is one thing. But to believe oneself to be all-powerful is to invite catastrophe. Remember, that even in the ethereal realm we inhabit, the unforeseen can occur." (SW: DP)
Anyways, this is not a character's perception about himself:
The Sith Emperor has mastered the dark side's power to become the most dominating Force-user the galaxy has ever seen. (SWTOR)
Originally posted by Intrepid37
Just because it is a wave doesn't mean that it is as easy to kill one maladian as it is to kill twelve. If there is only one target, the wave can focus on that target, if there is more, guess what, less power per target.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
This doesn't disprove my point either. The maladians were armored, atomizing twelve while injured is better than disintegrating a droid.
If Plagueis could kill then with bare hands;
Others Plagueis felled with his hands by snapping necks and putting his fists through armored torsos. (SW: DP)
- then the Maladins were not fully armored or their armor wasn't strong enough.
And T3-M4 isn't an ordinary droid.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
Also, wasn't Vitiate at a nexus at the time he disintegrated T3?
Originally posted by Intrepid37
I meant Vitiate, sorry for that.If he can kill Ahsoka in an instant that's fine but that is more than enough time for Anakin to stab Vitiate to death.
If Anakin is so fast, why haven't he literally blitzed his enemies like Sidious once did? You are making no sense at all.
Look at this fight:
Even the younglings could see Skywalker and Offee dueling. So you think that Vitiate's reflexes would be poorer then even younglings?
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Vitiate have easily felled whole Strike Team(s). An example below:
Vitiate's command of the dark side is such that he doesn't needs to concentrate on one individual at a time with his powers, he can easily destroy/subdue whole Strike Teams (of powerful individuals).
Also;
The Sith Emperor has mastered the dark side's power to become the most dominating Force-user the galaxy has ever seen. His corrupting influence is so complete that none can stand in his presence without succumbing to fear, anger and hatred. The Emperor can wither and ruin even the strongest Jedi's connection to the light side.
Jedi Master Tol Braga's strike team was not the first group to succumb to the Sith leader's oppressive influence. Hundreds of years ago, the Jedi Revan and Malak discovered Dromund Kaas and confronted the Emperor. They fell to the dark side and returned to Republic space as Sith Lords. Since then, dozens more Jedi have followed the same path into evil. (SWTOR)
On the basis of evidence and available information, the duo of Anakin and Ahsoka will be crushed as well. More evidence of Vitiate's incredible power given below.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
What we need is proof that Vitiate can take on powerful individuals such as Dooku, Plagueis, Sidious etc.
If Vitiate can take on 4 of the strongest Jedi in the Galaxy simultaneously and easily defeat them, you think that he cannot handle a lone Dooku, Plagueis and Sidious?
And you are putting Dooku in the league of Plagueis and Sidious? You should be ashamed of yourself.
Vitiate was so powerful that he have ruled over millions of Sith Lords (including generations of mighty Dark Councilors).
What is a Dark Council?
It oversees daily operations of a vast Imperial civilization. Only the strongest Sith Lords in the Galaxy can become members of the Dark Council and survive in it for long periods.
To serve on the Dark Council is to achieve the greatest position of honor, power, and influence in the Empire. Many Sith spend their lives plotting their ascension to the council, but with millions vying for only 12 seats, the competition is cutthroat. The powerful few who join the council often serve for only a few months, their lives cut short by internal power struggles or external enemies who target them for assassination. Once every few centuries, a bold few make the foolish mistake of defying the Emperor's will - a path that inevitably leads to ruin. (SW: TORE, Page 172)
When Vitiate's rule was (ever) challenged:
The Dark Council was formed to rule in the Emperor's stead. Should they fail or attempt treachery, the Emperor's punishment is swift and devastating. (SW: TORE, Page 172)
Some examples:
1. It remains a mystery how the Emperor learned of his council's treachery. He allowed their plan to play out, but when they gathered to confront the Emperor, his punishment was swift and devastating. Eleven members of the Dark Council died in a sudden flash on the steps of the Citadel. (SW: TORE, Page 157)
2. "The Imperial Guard were only unleashed on Nyriss and two others. The Emperor must have assumed they were the ones least likely to answer his summons. The other nine were called together in the hours before the attack to meet with the Emperor at his citadel. None of them left alive." (Scourge, SWTOR: Revan)
Vitiate is this damn powerful. As pointed out to you before:
The Sith Emperor has mastered the dark side's power to become the most dominating Force-user the galaxy has ever seen. (SWTOR)
Originally posted by Intrepid37
Faster? Plagueis.
Stronger? Plagueis.
Better telekinetic showings? Plagueis.
More skilled with a lightsaber? Plagueis.
More powerful lightning? Vitiate.
On the basis of available evidence, Vitiate is much more likely to overwhelm Plagueis with his powers then the opposite.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
And for the record, Plagueis is more powerful than Vitiate as per the backcover.
The Sith Emperor has mastered the dark side's power to become the most dominating Force-user the galaxy has ever seen. (SWTOR)
Originally posted by Intrepid37
So have a lot of Jedi.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
It doesn't. The kill count is impressive but not deciding. Let's take Dooku, has HoT done anything suggesting he can kill Dooku in a contest of either lightsabers or force powers?
HoT have subdued very powerful individuals in single combat.
For example:-
Orgus Din (The battle-hardened Jedi Master) collapsed this gigantic cave with his telekinetic abilities: http://i50.tinypic.com/30mredy.png
Din was a Council Member and was very powerful; he used a single hand to perform the aforementioned feat. However, Bengel Morr overwhelmed Din with his telekinetic abilities in a fight between them. And HoT defeated Bengel Morr in single combat.
HoT have defeated several other very powerful/dangerous adversaries:-
- Lord Fulminiss: his greatest feat is destroying a city (this is above Plagueis)
Sorcerers wield the power of the dark side to lay waste to their enemies. By bending the Force to their will, sorcerers also use the dark side to mend wounds and shield worthy allies. Whether cutting down a foe with a lightsaber or dominating them with a storm of Force lightning, a Sith sorcerer displays terrifying power on and off the battlefield. (SW: TORE, Page 182)
- Darth Angral (needs no introduction or does he?)
Plagueis found Maladins challenging?
Well;
A) The Knight survives impossible odds to defeat Angral's menacing Sith apprentices and thwart their plans to unleash world-shattering destruction. (SW: TORE, Page 92)
HoT fought through a very big force of Sith stationed onboard Desolater and struck down Darth Angral himself.
B) HoT fought his way through Dromund Kaas to reach the position of Vitiate to thwart his Galaxy-busting plans. Along his way, he fought through the mighty Imperial Guard.
Read about Imperial Guard here: http://www.swtor-spy.com/codex/the-imperial-guard/1134/
Fanatic in loyalty and unmatched in martial skill, even a lone Imperial Guard is a formidable opponent capable of standing toe-to-toe with a Jedi… or a Sith, should the occasion arise. (SWTOR)
HoT even struck down the leader of Imperial Guard in his path...
Yes, HoT appears to be superior to Dooku in all aspects and by a big margin. He also appears to outclass Plagueis. He could be as good as Luke or...
Originally posted by Intrepid37
Lucas' words doesn't mention how or why Mace disarmed Sidious, just that he did. Novelization makes it clear it was circumstancial.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
He gained the upper hand through a shatterpoint that won't be there in a certain re-match.
But there was still only the cycle of power, the endless loop, no wound taken on either side, not even the possibility of fatigue.
Impasse.
Which might have gone on forever, if Vaapad were Mace's only gift. (ROTS Novel)
In addition, shatterpoints are not restricted to settings. Any flaw or opening in the actions of an opponent can be exploited through shatterpoint:
The Force shows me strengths and weaknesses, hidden flaws and unexpected uses. It shows me vectors of stress that squeeze or stretch, torque or shear; it shows me how patterns of these vectors intersect to form the matrix of reality.
Put simply: when I look at you through the Force, I can see where you break. (Mace Windu, SW: Shatterpoint)
&
"I sometimes can see the weak places in an opponent—shatterpoints where the unbreakable can be broken. They can occur in individuals…and in events." (Mace Windu, SW: Shatterpoint)
Originally posted by Intrepid37
There was only one shatterpoint, Anakin.
1. An opening he saw in Sidious (as per movie)
2. Anakin
ROTS novel isn't the only source which covers this duel. So stop over-relying on it for this duel just for the sake of stroking your agenda.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
He never did.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
Not sure what you mean by ''playing nice'', but I agree; had Yoda gotten 20 seconds more Dooku would be done for.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
Faster than whom?
Originally posted by Intrepid37
No. Dooku's telekinetic showings are far above what is shown of Darach's and so is his swordmastery.
As far as swordsmanship is concerned;
Darach is a renowned blade-master of the Jedi Order (SW: TORE promotion); he managed to fight two (powerful) Sith opponents simultaneously for a while and struck one down in the process. His sheer blade-work was so refined that he managed to effectively duel his opponents by using both a single and double-bladed lightsaber simultaneously in combat.
It is already difficult to gain expertise in combat with a double-bladed lightsaber:
These weapons allow Jedi to defend and strike rapidly in combat. But for all their lethal efficiency, double-bladed lightsabers are difficult to wield and require specialized training to avoid risking severe personal injury. (SW: TORE, Page 103)
To be able to expertly utilize both double-bladed lightsaber and a normal lightsaber simultaneously in a duel - is a feat that is seldom matched in the history of the mythos. Dooku have never demonstrated this level of expertise with the blades, as per my knowledge. If he has, let me know.
As far as Force powers are concerned;
- Sending a Sith Inquisitor packing with a blast of power doesn't seems like a big deal to you?
Sith Inquisitor is a path to unlock great power in the use of Force; Vindican easily blunted the explosive power of an SLM (a feat which even Malgus couldn't duplicate; and Dooku have never tanked an SLM in his life, if I remember correctly). In addition, Vindican's lightning was potent enough to knock out Malgus for a while when it was deflected towards him by Darach.
So when have Dooku dominated a Sith Inquisitor type opponent with his Force powers? Oh wait, he never met one. He himself is like on though.
- Lifting up a large and heavy object (e.g. Starship engine) and then tossing it like a missile in the air towards a target doesn't seems like a big deal to you?
Any matching feat from Dooku in comparison from a realistic medium or in literature?
As far as lifting goes, Dooku's greatest feat is lifting several obalisks simultaneously some feet above the ground using both of his hands which he put down after a short while. However, nothing indicates that he could hurl all of them (collectively) simultaneously like missiles towards a target.
In-fact this fight seems to be a rehash of ROTS fight onboard Invisible Hand but is much more impressively thought-out.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
Dooku has no limitations of use of the force.
I failed to see the truth.
This truth. that he, the avatar of dark, Supreme Master of the Sith Order, the fiercest, most implacable, most devastatingly powerful foe the light had ever known . . . can break a planet apart with a thought.
That he have unlimited power. Wow.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
The show is inconsistent with some characters, Mace for example. It isn't inconsitent with Ventress because she hasn't any feats in the new CW.
The (old) CW have exaggerated the capabilities of (all) PT era Force-users. But if you are willing to use this source to support your arguments then do no pick and choose from it to further your agenda. As per this source, Mace will shit on Dooku.
Also, if TOR era characters are featured in a source like this one, they will look godly. So stick to realistic mediums.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
It's canon. Ventress ripped stones down from a ceiling, Dooku put her on the floor with a finger.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
Did you watch the feat Anakin performed? Very impressive. Kenobi stalemating Anakin proves he is a good telekinetic.
This explains how Anakin was able to perform that feat:
The Jedi Temple was the greatest nexus of Force energy in the Republic; its ziggurat design focused the Force the way a lightsaber's gemstone focused its energy stream. (ROTS Novel)
During his duel against Obi-Wan, Anakin wasn't fighting on a nexus and he used one hand; the power that Anakin could muster by using one hand was matched by Obi-Wan. I don't see the comparison as a valid one.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
There is zero proof Anakin became vulnerable in that moment. I have given you a quote that he was vulnerable, nowhere is it stated he was only vulnerable in the end.
In addition;
Despite his powers and years of attunement to Obi-Wan, his rage had blocked his ability to sense his former Master's presence on Mustafar until he saw the Jedi standing in the hatch of Padme's star ship.
He also never imagined that Obi-Wan possessed the strength to bring him down so brutally. (SW: Rise and Fall of Darth Vader, 2007)
So once again! What is the vulnerability?
Originally posted by Intrepid37
What should I make of this?
Originally posted by Intrepid37
He can't, no.
If this is your reasoning ability, do not expect to reach an understanding with me. It isn't written in stone that Yoda should be the top duelist barring Luke.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
If you could observe his performances you'd realise disintegrating a droid isn't out of Dooku's league.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
He was talking of Jedi.
Read this again:
He also never imagined that Obi-Wan possessed the strength to bring him down so brutally. (SW: Rise and Fall of Darth Vader, 2007)
Originally posted by Intrepid37
Yeah, like Dark Rendezvous' statement of Dooku being an equal to Mace and their evenly fought fight on Boz Pity?
Even on Boz Pity, Dooku ran away; correct me, if I am wrong here.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
He can.
Do you think that Dooku is as good as Mace (ROTS incarnation) now?
Originally posted by Intrepid37
Covered elsewhere.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
Sorcery is a different power than telekinetic.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
There's no concession.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
She can't disintegrate it with her own powers; she absorbed energy from his lightsaber.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
No different from what Ventress did.
Also, Ventress's feat is an unrealistic medium; if Revan was featured in that medium, he would have been depicted destroying armies as his story suggests.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
Force screams aren't useable in combat.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
Dooku didn't show any level of restraint when he lifted the stones.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
The only difference is that we don't get to see the temple in the newest version, not that it is still there.
My original point stands...
Originally posted by Intrepid37
Have you read it?"I agree," Bane replied, hurling out the wave of Force energy he had been gathering during the Blademaster's speech.
There was nothing subtle about Bane's attack: the massive shock wave shook the very foundations of the great Rakatan Temple. The concussive blast had enough power to shatter every bone in Kas'im's body and pulverize his flesh into a mass of pulpy liquid. But at the last possible instant he threw up a shield to protect himself from the attack.
Unfortunately, he couldn't shield the Temple around him. The walls exploded into great chunks of rubble. The archway collapsed in a shower of stone, burying Kas'im beneath tons of rock and mortar. A second later the rest of the roof caved in, drowning out the Twi'lek's dying screams with a deafening rumble.
Bane watched the spectacle of the Temple's implosion from the safety of the ground at the foot of the stairs. Billowing clouds of dust rolled out from the wreckage and down the stairs toward him. Exhausted by the long lightsaber battle and drained by the sudden unleashing of the Force, he simply lay there until he was covered in a layer of fine white powder.
Eventually he struggled wearily to his feet. Reaching out with the Force, he sought some sign that Kas'im might still be alive beneath the mountain of stone. He felt nothing. Kas'im-his mentor, the only instructor at the Academy who had ever actually helped him-was dead.
Shattering bones is good but not comparable to atomizing armored assassins.
The damage on the whole would be nearly as good as atomization.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
Really, everyone in Star Wars packs ''devesating powers'' as you like to call it.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
If we analyze Dooku's accomplishments and compare them to Malak, Revan, Malgus, they're far better.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
Nice consession. 👆
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Star Wars is free from one man's dictatorship at least.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
SW: TCVD is about PT/OT eras only.SW: TERC is about all eras and no Sith Lord have been hyped in it.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Are you a Star Wars insider now?
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
This is Sidious's perception about himself.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Fail! Those Maladins got caught by the Force Wave [B]simultaneously. [/B]
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
What kind of armor? How much armored?
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
If Plagueis could kill then with bare hands;Others Plagueis felled with his hands by snapping necks and putting his fists through armored torsos. (SW: DP)
- then the Maladins were not fully armored or their armor wasn't strong enough.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
The dark side is strong on Dromund Kaas but the entire planet is not a nexus. Dark Temple is a nexus, as per SW: TORE.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
If Anakin is so fast, why haven't he literally blitzed his enemies like Sidious once did? You are making no sense at all.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Look at this fight:Even the younglings could see Skywalker and Offee dueling. So you think that Vitiate's reflexes would be poorer then even younglings?
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Rest will be addressed later.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
You can't say something is retconned and expect people to believe you.
Some retcons are explicit and some apparent.
Here is a decent explanation: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Retcon
Originally posted by Intrepid37
TCVD and TERC?
TERC: The Essential Reader's Companion
Originally posted by Intrepid37
No?
Originally posted by Intrepid37
Doesn't make it false.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
It's sure as hell harder to atomize x6 flesh/armor than x1 flesh/armor. Common sense.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
Probably like Jango Fett is my guess.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
...or Plagueis is that strong?
Originally posted by Intrepid37
If the dark side is strong on there it indicates a nexus.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
Because his opponents are fast enough not to get blitzed?
Analogy:
1. Moving with the blinding speed of the Force, he raced across the courtyard, bolts ricocheting off the ground just behind him every step of the way. He dived behind the cover of the Emperor’s statue, his mind assessing the situation. (SWTOR: Revan)
2. Scourge charged, moving with the supernatural speed of the Force. (SWTOR: Revan)
And Scourge couldn't blitz Vitiate in a duel.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
You have no proof they could see them duel. It might have been light, afterimages etc.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
Rest will be addressed later.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
On the basis of evidence and available information, the duo of Anakin and Ahsoka will be crushed as well. More evidence of Vitiate's incredible power given below.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
If Vitiate can take on 4 of the strongest Jedi in the Galaxy simultaneously and easily defeat them, you think that he cannot handle a lone Dooku, Plagueis and Sidious?
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
And you are putting Dooku in the league of Plagueis and Sidious? You should be ashamed of yourself.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Vitiate was so powerful that he have ruled over millions of Sith Lords (including generations of [B]mighty Dark Councilors).
Succesful Sith Lord =/= succesful combatant.[QUOTE=14313822]Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
[B]What is a Dark Council?It oversees daily operations of a vast Imperial civilization. Only the strongest Sith Lords in the Galaxy can become members of the Dark Council and survive in it for long periods. minating Force-user the galaxy has ever seen.[/I] (SWTOR) [/B]
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
- Subjective speculation
- Useless
- No
- Big deal?
Oh wait, Vitiate has no speed feats.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
On the basis of available evidence, Vitiate is much more likely to overwhelm Plagueis with his powers then the opposite.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
FYI:The Sith Emperor has mastered the dark side's power to become the most dominating Force-user the galaxy has ever seen. (SWTOR)
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
You have a list?
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
If Dooku had such impressive kill count against Jedi, you would have been worshipping him. Unfortunately for you, this isn't the case or he isn't so skilled. Your excuses are not going to dismiss Emperor Wrath's accomplishments and consequently HoT's as well.HoT have subdued very powerful individuals in single combat.
For example:-
Orgus Din (The battle-hardened Jedi Master) collapsed this gigantic cave with his telekinetic abilities: http://i50.tinypic.com/30mredy.png
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Din was a Council Member and was very powerful; he used a single hand to perform the aforementioned feat. However, Bengel Morr overwhelmed Din with his telekinetic abilities in a fight between them. And HoT defeated Bengel Morr in single combat.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
- Lord Fulminiss: his greatest feat is destroying a city (this is above Plagueis)
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
- Darth Angral (needs no introduction or does he?)
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Plagueis found Maladins challenging?
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD[/B][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=14313825]Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
[B][B]A) The Knight survives impossible odds to defeat Angral's menacing Sith apprentices and thwart their plans to unleash world-shattering destruction. (SW: TORE, Page 92) [/B]
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
HoT fought through a very big force of Sith stationed onboard Desolater and struck down Darth Angral himself.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD Along his way, he fought through the mighty Imperial Guard.Read about Imperial Guard here: http://www.swtor-spy.com/codex/the-imperial-guard/1134/
Fanatic in loyalty and unmatched in martial skill, even a lone Imperial Guard is a formidable opponent capable of standing toe-to-toe with a Jedi… or a Sith, should the occasion arise. (SWTOR)
HoT even struck down the leader of Imperial Guard in his path... [/B]
But the Maladians were far from run-of-the-mill murderers. Members of the cult had killed and wounded Jedi.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
I have identified 3 sources that contradict novelization's account of this duel! Try better.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Even without a shatterpoint, Sidious is unlikely to outduel Mace:But there was still only the cycle of power, the endless loop, no wound taken on either side, not even the possibility of fatigue.
Impasse.
[i]Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Which might have gone on forever, if Vaapad were Mace's only gift.[/I] (ROTS Novel)
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
In addition, shatterpoints are not restricted to settings. Any flaw or opening in the actions of an opponent can be exploited through shatterpoint:The Force shows me strengths and weaknesses, hidden flaws and unexpected uses. It shows me vectors of stress that squeeze or stretch, torque or shear; it shows me how patterns of these vectors intersect to form the matrix of reality.
Put simply: when I look at you through the Force, I can see where you break. (Mace Windu, SW: Shatterpoint)
"I sometimes can see the weak places in an opponent—shatterpoints where the unbreakable can be broken. They can occur in individuals…and in events." (Mace Windu, SW: Shatterpoint)
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Their were two:1. An opening he saw in Sidious (as per movie)
2. Anakin
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Mace's performance against Sidious proves my assertion. Do you think that Dooku could handle Sidious in the same manner? Never...
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Yoda
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Doubtful...
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As far as swordsmanship is concerned;Darach is a renowned blade-master of the Jedi Order (SW: TORE promotion); he managed to fight two (powerful) Sith opponents simultaneously for a while and struck one down in the process. His sheer blade-work was so refined that he managed to effectively duel his opponents by using both a single and double-bladed lightsaber simultaneously in combat.
It is already difficult to gain expertise in combat with a double-bladed lightsaber:
These weapons allow Jedi to defend and strike rapidly in combat. But for all their lethal efficiency, double-bladed lightsabers are difficult to wield and require specialized training to avoid risking severe personal injury. (SW: TORE, Page 103)
As far as Force powers are concerned;
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
- Sending a Sith Inquisitor packing with a blast of power doesn't seems like a big deal to you?
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
- Lifting up a large and heavy object (e.g. Starship engine) and then tossing it like a missile in the air towards a target doesn't seems like a big deal to you?
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Any matching feat from Dooku in comparison from a realistic medium or in literature?As far as lifting goes, Dooku's greatest feat is lifting several obalisks simultaneously some feet above the ground using both of his hands which he put down after a short while. However, nothing indicates that he could hurl all of them (collectively) simultaneously like missiles towards a target.
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🙄I failed to see the truth.
This truth. that he, the avatar of dark, Supreme Master of the Sith Order, the fiercest, most implacable, most devastatingly powerful foe the light had ever known . . . can break a planet apart with a thought.
That he have unlimited power. Wow.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
this is why she doesn't have any notable feats in the (new) CW.In contrast, many other characters have some feats in the (new) CW including Anakin.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
The (old) CW have exaggerated the capabilities of (all) PT era Force-users. But if you are willing to use this source to support your arguments then do no pick and choose from it to further your agenda.
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As per this source, Mace will shit on Dooku.
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Anakin performed that impressive feat using both of his hands, giving it his maximum that he could muster at that time.
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This explains how Anakin was able to perform that feat:The Jedi Temple was the greatest nexus of Force energy in the Republic; its ziggurat design focused the Force the way a lightsaber's gemstone focused its energy stream. (ROTS Novel)
During his duel against Obi-Wan, Anakin wasn't fighting on a nexus and he used one hand; the power that Anakin could muster by using one hand was matched by Obi-Wan. I don't see the comparison as a valid one.
With the thousands of Jedi and Padawans within it every day contemplating peace, seeking knowledge, and meditating on justice and surrender to the will of the Force, the Temple was a fountain of the light.
Anakin was a dark sider.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
If Anakin wasn't vulnerable at that moment, why did he get injured by Obi-Wan? Why Obi-Wan warned him not to jump?
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Despite his powers and years of attunement to Obi-Wan, his rage had blocked his ability to sense his former Master's presence on Mustafar until he saw the Jedi standing in the hatch of Padme's star ship.He also never imagined that Obi-Wan possessed the strength to bring him down so brutally.
(SW: Rise and Fall of Darth Vader, 2007)
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Those Jedi were among the strongest Jedi of the Order. Why is this do difficult for you to digest?
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
If this is your reasoning ability, do not expect to reach an understanding with me. It isn't written in stone that Yoda should be the top duelist barring Luke.
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Maybe but depends upon the droid's durability.
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Read this again:[QUOTE=14313849]Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
[B]He also never imagined that Obi-Wan possessed the strength to bring him down so brutally. (SW: Rise and Fall of Darth Vader, 2007)
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
I am talking about Mace at the end of clone wars.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Even on Boz Pity, Dooku ran away; correct me, if I am wrong here.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Watch this:Do you think that Dooku is as good as Mace (ROTS incarnation) now?
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
I know! But she has the capability to atomize defenseless humans, be it through other talents. Focal point is that the capability to atomizing defenseless humans isn't unique to Plagueis.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Revan can atomize defenseless humans with his powers; his raw power is such that he easily handled a dark side power lethal enough to atomize defenseless humans. Therefore, he can also unleash power which can do the aforementioned deed. Common sense.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
She became stronger after this fight. Try better.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Also, Ventress's feat is an unrealistic medium; if Revan was featured in that medium, he would have been depicted destroying armies as his story suggests.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
But Malgus packs such power; only difference is that he performed that feat unintentionally.
Force screams is a completely useless point to prove disintegration isn't special. Malgus' demonstration isn't close to Anakin collapsing a tower. Even Plagueis shattered eardrums with it.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Dooku was doing his best.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
So now you are an SWTOR insider?
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
My original point stands...
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The damage on the whole would be nearly as good as atomization.
Also, I don't remember the name of the place in where he and Kas'im fought but it was often described as ''very strong in the dark side'' implying that it's a dark side nexus.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
You are mistaken.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Unlike Dooku; Malak and Revan possessed the strength to efficiently run a Sith Empire and rule over lot of Sith (not just normal humans). Revan's combat based accomplishments trump that of Dooku's and Malak was one of the Revan's greatest foes. In contrast, Drooku have ruled over droids (how unfortunate). And Malgus is also stronger then Dooku on the basis of his feats alone. Lowballing TOR era characters will do you no good.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
You are mistaken.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
It is easy to identify a retcon.Some retcons are explicit and some apparent.
Here is a decent explanation: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Retcon
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
TCVD: The Complete Visual DictionaryTERC: The Essential Reader's Companion
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Then do not present your theory as a fact.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Characters lie, manipulate and do all the things that people do in real life and worse...I hope you get my drift here.
In truth, Palpatine was well versed in the ways of the Force, having been apprentice to Darth Plagueis the Wise, a Sith Lord who was a master of arcane and unnatural knowledge. In true Sith tradition, Palpatine murdered his Master upon receiving the skill and ability to do so.
-The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
and victims weren't located at noticeably great distances from each other.
...and in response to confronting Force powers, they didn't shrink or flee but simply changed tactics, moving with astounding agility to surround Plagueis and wait for openings.
With nothing more than the Force of his mind, Plagueis rattled the floor, knocking some of the assassins off their feet, but others rushed in to take their places, slashing at him with their vibroblades from every angle.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
So now you will rely upon your "guess" to support your agenda?
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
You first need to determine how durable was the armor that Maladins were wearing.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
This isn't necessary; only The Dark Temple have been identified as a nexus and a very strong one in canon.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Younglings and padawans were also able to duel him in the Jedi Temple.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Analogy:1. [B]Moving with the blinding speed of the Force,
he raced across the courtyard, bolts ricocheting off the ground just behind him every step of the way. He dived behind the cover of the Emperor’s statue, his mind assessing the situation. (SWTOR: Revan)2. Scourge charged, moving with the supernatural speed of the Force. (SWTOR: Revan)
And Scourge couldn't blitz Vitiate in a duel. [/B]
Originally posted by Intrepid37
The information provided is all about his mental domination: Revan makes it clear it takes a lot of power and exhausts him,
Originally posted by Intrepid37
Revan mentions that Malak and he were ''walking into a trap'',
Originally posted by Intrepid37
I recall Scourge mentioning his mental domination is the part of ''a long ritual''.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
Being one of the strongest in the galaxy doesn't suggest you can on opponents with greater showings.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
I never did. In fact, I made it perfectly clear that Mace would get his ass handed to him again by Sidious. If you could read, I have Dooku as an equal to Mace.
- If you consider swordsmanship then my counterargument is that Mace has Vaapad
- If you consider Force-mastery then my counterargument is that Mace has shatterpoint abilities and his showings in the low-budget Clone Wars medium exceed that of Dooku's; Mace isn't much explored in depiction of his Force powers in other sources, correct me if I am wrong. I prefer to not rely upon this particular source in debates but you are leaving me no choice.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
Succesful Sith Lord =/= succesful combatant.
"This is also the reason there can be only one Dark Lord. The Sith must be ruled by a single leader: the very embodiment of the strength and power of the dark side. If the leader grows weak, another must rise to seize the mantle. The strong rule; the weak are meant to serve. This is the way it must be." (Darth Bane: Path of Destruction)
Originally posted by Intrepid37
So what? Dooku consistently humiliates opponents the caliber of Council Members.
Ascension to one of the Council seats is often a natural progression determined primarily by necessity and a Jedi's innate qualifications. Master Gardon Jard, a founding member of the Jedi Order, summarized it best: "Every Master of the High Council arrives in their proper time and place, in accord with the will of the Force." Deliberations by the Council's members over promoting new Masters are typically brief, as the best choice is often clear to all well in advance of a vacant leadership act. (SWTORE, Page 82)
In the nutshell, Dooku managing to humiliate some opponents the caliber of Jedi High Council doesn't prove much because Council members themselves can vary significantly in strength.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
-I have supported mine with feats of Plagueis. If you want me to consider your point, support yours.Oh wait, Vitiate has no speed feats.
Read this again and again till you get the memo:
Scourge expected them to search him, or at least instruct him to turn over his weapons. But Yarri and the others simply stood at attention, waiting for him to enter. The fact that they showed no concern over letting an armed Sith Lord speak to the Emperor face-to-face without any kind of preparation was a testament to the Emperor's unfathomable power. (SWTOR: Revan)
Lord Scourge is an example of a Sith warrior. Read more about Sith warrior here: http://www.swtor.com/holonet/classes/sith-warrior
Originally posted by Intrepid37
How the hell is he gonna overwhelm Plagueis when Plagueis is too fast for him to even see?
Originally posted by Intrepid37
At this point, the galaxy had never seen Plagueis or Sidious. Nice try though.
The Sith Emperor is the most powerful Force-user who has ever existed. (SWTORE, Page 89)
Originally posted by Intrepid37
Pretty much every Council-member have, save for Saesee Tiin and Agen Kolar (although Kolar is one of the greatest bladesbeings ever).
You are making it sound like as if every tom, d*** and harry can be dubbed as an expert swordsman. Well let me give you a glimpse, every Jedi who demonstrates a few fancy moves with a lightsaber isn't necessarily an EXPERT swordsman unless explicitly declared in a canon source.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
How did HoT defeat him?
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How did he defeat them?
Originally posted by Intrepid37
A legend claiming it is in no way proof.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
He does.
Darth Angral is one of the Empire's most celebrated warlords. He mentored/trained some famous Sith Lords including Sith Lord Praven. He was also the boss of Darth Malgus. He was offered a seat in the Sith Dark Council on the basis of his accomplishments but he refused. He killed Jedi Master Orgus Din in single combat.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
After suffering blood loss, losing a heart and being at the point of only having one attack left, yeah.
You should stop overhyping Plagueis so much. He has realistic limits.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
Hyperbole. Plagueis' odds can easily be said to be impossible.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
Nice stamina. Plagueis and Sidious fought several hundreds of Kurzid warriors in hours without using lightsabers.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
Maladian's are better:But the Maladians were far from run-of-the-mill murderers. Members of the cult had killed and wounded Jedi.
In contrast, even a lone Imperial Guard individual can match a Jedi in single combat.
In a group, it is nearly unstoppable force:
The Empire's ultimate non-Force-sensitive warriors. The Imperial Guard is a self-less army devoted to the Emperor and the Emperor alone. Clad in blood-red armor and wielding deadly weaponry designed to exterminate Force users, the Imperial Guard sweep across the galaxy at the Emperor's command, destroying his enemies both outside and within the Empire. When confronted by the Imperial Guard, the mightiest of Sith have laid down their lightsabers and surrendered to the inevitable death offered by a guardman’s electrostaff. (SWTORE, Page 162)
When stationed close to the Sith Emperor, the Imperial Guard is almost immune to Force powers.
Also, one of the most prominent Imperial Guard individuals is Lassicar. Check his codex entry: http://www.swtor-spy.com/codex/guardsman-lassicar-knight/1283/
Notice his kill count?
HoT killed even this guy in single combat. Admit it son, HoT is immensely powerful and skilled. Arguably a match for Luke and superior to Plagueis.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
You haven't.
Source 1: ROTS movie
http://www.desura.com/groups/jedi-order/videos/mace-windu-vs-darth-sidious-anakin-skywalker
Source 2: SWTCE
Palpatine killed Master Windu's companions and battled the Jedi Master, who soon gained the upper hand. Just as Windu was ready to slay Palpatine, Anakin Skywalker intervened and cut off Windu's lightsaber hand. This gave Palpatine the opportunity to blast Windu with Force lightning, sending him out a window to his death.
Source 3: SWTERC
When Windu attempts to arrest the Chancellor, Anakin implores him to spare Palpatine's life, but Windu deems Palpatine too dangerous to be taken alive. Before Windu can kill the Dark Lord, Anakin cuts off Windu's sword hand. Palpatine then uses his dark power to destroy Windu.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
The ''impasse'' was before Anakin landed. If you watch the duel, Anakin lands 25 seconds in the fight or so, so really, they had an impasse for 20 seconds.
''Might'' and ''forever'' are ambigous and renders this quote useless.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
Kindly tell me Sidious' shatterpoint.
But it is in symbolic context; Sidious didn't develop shatterpoint abilities, if I recall correctly.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
The one that allowed him to disarm Sidious was Anakin's fear. Mace, after disarming Sidious, realizes Anakin is the shatterpoint.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
He can't and neither can Mace.
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Hardly.
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Novices such as Savage Opress uses double-bladed lightsabers.
To be able to duel with a double-bladed lightsaber safely and cut down foes with it represents noteworthy skill. However, gaining proficiency in its use to such a degree that room for additional dueling activities can be created alongside its use is representative of something else; a skill that is seldom achieved. Almost any trained Jedi can use a double-bladed lightsaber in combat but few achieve great proficiency in its use. Darach was immensely skilled in all aspects of Jedi dueling arts; he became the battlemaster of the Jedi Order in his time for a reason. Prior to achieving this position, he was already a prominent Jedi Knight in his era. Exar Kun was also highly proficient in the use of doube-bladed lightsaber.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
As far as Force powers are concerned;
Sora Bulq sent Mace packing too. Point?
Originally posted by Intrepid37
It's good but not comparable to what almost every PT Jedi have done.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1ieRQ-4BB40:00-0:25
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😐
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Not really the reason.
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It does not.
Example 1: Dooku put Ventress on her knees with a figure in the anime type CW medium. He didn’t manage to replicate this feat against Ventress in a more realistic CW medium.
Example 2: Mace Windu could destroy an army of battle-droids in the anime type CW medium. He didn't demonstrate this level of power in the more realistic mediums. Heck, not even Yoda.
Still want to rely upon the anime type CW as a source? I would recommend caution.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
Covered this already.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
Still impressive.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
Way to ignore following text:With the thousands of Jedi and Padawans within it every day contemplating peace, seeking knowledge, and meditating on justice and surrender to the will of the Force, the Temple was a fountain of the light.
Anakin was a dark sider.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
He wasn't only vulnerable at that moment, he was vulnerable throughout the fight.
Now read this account:
Source: SWTCE
Originally posted by Intrepid37
Thanks for helping my case. 👆
Originally posted by Intrepid37
It's not but doesn't suggest they can take everyone out.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
It is.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
Pre-Suit Vader, not Anakin.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
Prove Mace got stronger between Clone Wars and Revenge of the Sith.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
He did but Jedi were hunting him.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
He is.
Sidious outclasses Dooku by a noticeable degree and Mace being able to handle Sidious in single combat is indicative of his superiority over Dooku in skill.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
Agreed, but then again, I never claimed that.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
Possibly the worst logic I have ever seen regarding Star Wars. Revan absorbing lightning capable of reducing a Sith to ash in no way means he can reduce others to ash with the help of his force powers.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
Good for her.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
Bullshit.
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😂
Force screams is a completely useless point to prove disintegration isn't special. Malgus' demonstration isn't close to Anakin collapsing a tower. Even Plagueis shattered eardrums with it.
Still, he landed in a cocoon of power, hitting the ground in an explosion of might that shattered the stones around them and turned them into a hail of shrapnel. (SWTOR: Deceived)
Point is that Malgus packs the capability to disintegrate extremely durable objects.
In addition, correction about Anakin's feat: he collapsed a large statue (not a tower).
Originally posted by Intrepid37
Prove it.
Comments: Dooku gathers his power
Comments: Dooku unleashes power with both of his hands
Originally posted by Intrepid37
I don't need to be.
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It doesn't. I have provided evidence the Temple didn't ''come apart''. Provide evidence of the opposite or concede.
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No.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
Also, I don't remember the name of the place in where he and Kas'im fought but it was often described as ''very strong in the dark side'' implying that it's a dark side nexus.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
Running a Sith Empire doesn't make you a good combatant
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Bad concession then. Still a concession.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
Then why do you have such a hard time understanding it hasn't been retconned?
Originally posted by Intrepid37
Common sense please.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
In truth, Palpatine was well versed in the ways of the Force, having been apprentice to Darth Plagueis the Wise, a Sith Lord who was a master of arcane and unnatural knowledge. In true Sith tradition, Palpatine murdered his Master upon receiving the skill and ability to do so.-The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia
Crackling from his fingertips, a web of blue lightning ground itself on the Muun's breathing device. Plagueis's eyes snapped open, the Force gathering in him like a storm, but he stopped short of defending himself. (SW: Plagueis)
Originally posted by Intrepid37
Bullshit....and in response to confronting Force powers, they didn't shrink or flee but simply changed tactics, moving with astounding agility to surround Plagueis and wait for openings.
With nothing more than the Force of his mind, Plagueis rattled the floor, knocking some of the assassins off their feet, but others rushed in to take their places, slashing at him with their vibroblades from every angle.
I used the word "weren't" in my sentence. Do you know what the word "weren't" means?
Originally posted by Intrepid37
You asked. I have no evidence so I gave you my guess.
Maladians:-
Jango Fett:-
Originally posted by Intrepid37
Putting fists through armored torsos, no matter what armor is proof of his strength, not that the armor is thin.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
Then it makes no sense for you to argue that Vitiate brought down the temple.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
As confirmed in The Cestus Deception, superior Jedi handicap themselves in order to have fair sparring matches.
Did Anakin blitzed anyone in the Jedi Temple?
Originally posted by Intrepid37Wait, moving with ''blinding speed'' or ''supernatural speed'' is comparable to be able to cover yourself in light?
LeGeND, considering how long it took you to respond, don't expect me to follow up on this. I'm just gonna address what I want to.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
You are making it sound like as if every tom, d*** and harry can be dubbed as an expert swordsman. Well let me give you a glimpse, every Jedi who demonstrates a few fancy moves with a lightsaber isn't necessarily an EXPERT swordsman unless explicitly declared in a canon source. [/I]
About Luminara Unduli:
Not only were her lightsaber skills superb, but she had also
trained herself to become so incredibly flexible that she could easily twist to evade almost any attack that she did not block with her green lightsaber.
Bulq:
Sora Bulq was one of the greatest lightsaber instructors the Jedi order had ever known, perfecting the various forms of combat techniques, both classical and experimental.
Shaak Ti about Fisto, Tiin and Kolar:
"I'm the chosen one. My place is there." His breathing roughened, and he looked as if he was getting even sicker. "I have to be there. That's the prophecy, isn't it? I have to be there-"
"Anakin, why? The Masters are the best of the Order. What can you possibly do?"
Mace Windu about Fisto, Tiin and Kolar:
"Forget not the existence of Sidious. Anticipate your action, he may. Masters will be necessary, if the Lord of the Sith you must face."
"I have chosen four of our best. Master Tiin, Master Kolar, and Master Fisto are all here, in the Temple. They are preparing already."
Which would leave Mace and Agen Kolar-both among the greatest bladesbeings the Jedi Order had ever produced-here on Coruscant in case Sidious did indeed take this opportunity to make a dramatic move.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
They were primitive beings. Also, where it is stated in the novel that this fight latest hour(s) as you put?
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
You should stop overhyping Plagueis so much. He has realistic limits.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
During the heat of combat? (Bulq vs Mace)
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Post the entire duel here. (Mace vs Dooku)
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
But he didn't beat Palpatine in a fair duel.Crackling from his fingertips, a web of blue lightning ground itself on the Muun's breathing device. Plagueis's eyes snapped open, the Force gathering in him like a storm, [B]but he stopped short of defending himself.
(SW: Plagueis) [/B]
Besides:
Still struggling for breath, Plagueis managed to stand, but only to collapse back onto the couch, knocking a statue from its perch. Sidious moved in, his hands upraised to deliver another bolt, his expression arctic enough to chill the room. A Force storm gathered over the couch, spreading out in concentric rings, to wash over Sidious and hurl objects to all corners. In the center of it, Plagueis's form became anamorphic, then resumed shape as the storm began to wane.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
What do you mean by "be able to cover yourself in light" part of your statement?
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
You are mistaken! You have failed to realize thus far that Vitiate is immortal and has gigantic supply of reserves at his disposal to keep him going like forever; he is not exhausted by his powers.
-Revan
“True, but we didn’t know that at the time,” Revan explained. “We were being led into a trap; the Emperor wanted us to come to him. When we got to his throne room, he was ready and waiting.” His voice dropped low. “We underestimated his power. When we confronted him, he didn’t even have to fight us. Instead, he broke our wills. He dominated our minds, turning us into puppets to do his bidding. He sent us back to the Republic as the vanguard of his invasion, with instructions to report back when all resistance was crushed.
-Revan
