Orion VS Hulk

i doubt there is a bigger herc fan on this site than me but even i don't really care all that much about that scene. tbh i still don't really even know what it's supposed to show. that 133 hercs couldn't.....break out of hulk? penetrate his skin? 133 hercs lined up in a tug-o-war couldn't overcome one inhalation from hulk? lol it's so absurd as to be mostly meaningless imo and it would never translate in a battle so...whatever.

rage is right though--outside of hulk, herc is perhaps the single strongest herald being in marvel (some say thor, i'll take herc though it's close enough to not matter) so really that feat is saying is that hulk is at least 100x stronger than any herald (sentry, blue marvel, etc....). if you like to think dc herc=marvel herc (and i do) then cap marvel=herc and everyone knows where supes and cm's strength levels are relative to each other and the abc logic train is an easy one to hop on (and is mostly supportable in this case imo).

imo the feat is....kinda dumb if you ask me and would have been more clear had he exerted that force to LIFT something. but i like hulk and can accept hulk is stronger than any herald, but it could have been done more clearly (like a battle) or a better feat. to say hulk is 100x stronger than herc would put him at roughly 10x stronger than wm thor as well. the whole notion is silly and seems to place his strength (if you wish to draw that conclusion from said scene) in the trans level for certain. it brings in the question if hulk is that strong, how much stronger is thanos? how much stronger was zeus?

a truly silly scene imo, but long live hulk.

What makes you think Thanos is stronger?
That's WWH, iirc. Thanos has the whole infamous thought-bubble of Hulk-apprehension, regarding Savage Hulk, nevermind the stronger iterations.

And Zeus was amped and on top of that, he was fighting a Hulk who wasn't trying his best.

Anyway, the scan seemed perfectly clear to me. 1 herc = the maximum amount of power Hercules can put into a single punch.

Nothing about it stated or suggested that 1 herc = the totality of power that Hercules can output.

It's a great feat, but Hulk has many others that completely eclipse it for sheer staggering implication.

Originally posted by janus77
What makes you think Thanos is stronger?
That's WWH, iirc. Thanos has the whole infamous thought-bubble of Hulk-apprehension, regarding Savage Hulk, nevermind the stronger iterations.

And Zeus was amped and on top of that, he was fighting a Hulk who wasn't trying his best.

Anyway, the scan seemed perfectly clear to me. 1 herc = the maximum amount of power Hercules can put into a single punch.

Nothing about it stated or suggested that 1 herc = the totality of power that Hercules can output.

It's a great feat, but Hulk has many others that completely eclipse it for sheer staggering implication.

oh, i just think it's kind of commonly accepted (by many, not me....) that thanos is well above any herald and stronger than any herald as well.

and i guess you're right about the definition of herc. it just seemed to me that the implication of the feat was that hulk was 100+x more powerful than herc, but maybe the implication wasn't as clear as i found it. i do think that most will take it that way though.

i believe hulk has better feats as well, but none so directly quantifiable. even herc has unquantifiable strength feats. anyway, i doubt the difference would be borne out in any fights so, like i said, it seemed a silly way to state the thing. and i'm a hulk fan, as well as a hercules fan.....

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Not in strength. Hasn't been since COIE. And even in their Pre-Crisis crossover, it was shown just how crazy Hulk's ability to ramp in anger is. No one ever posts the whole scan:

Hulk was at usual Top Tier levels (Mountain crushing) facing a confirmed planet pusher and had closed such a ridiculously large gap in a few seconds.

The whole time superman just stood there until he noticed the device and then he blocked hulk so that he can remove it. We agree that the hulk can keep growing stronger and stronger if his opponent lets him flail away while an annoying device is fueling his anger. But from that scan it appears that superman could have ended that fight at anytime.

How much power was herc expending when they measured him? And how do they know that, that punch was his hardest?
For them to say that the hulk punches 133 times a full powered herc punch then it would mean that that measured both herc and hulks punch that was 133x.

So why was the planet still standing? Unless -
A single punch herc punch is a mountain level punch at best and 133x should destroy a small country.

Edit. This 133 herc power sounds like H1a8's calculations using 50 earth weights yet he gets chit on all the time for it.

@Diesldude...

Are tu aware that in that same comic, Hulk koed Superman?

Not this shit again.

Edit Say is the scan of 133 Hercules in this thread? Sounds funny as ****.

Originally posted by Zack Fair
Not this shit again.

[b]Edit Say is the scan of 133 Hercules in this thread? Sounds funny as ****. [/B]

Four score and 133 hercs ago.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Tbh, Superman/Batman is going to be a book about how they're the best thing ever in DC and it will systmetically shit on everybody else. I don't really have a problem with that or crazy feats as long as the story is fun.

Although on the other hand, everytime Superman gets a new high end feat some idiot argues how it means he's stronger then everyone else.

I think he had a special case for the Hulk. Pak is the guy that said nothing shortof Galactus can stop WWH and also said that WWH would kill Superman. His thought on Hulk was at greater lengths than most characters. Every other characters he has written received an amp from an outside power source, Hulk fts was all natural.

crylaugh

LOL funny feat. Sucks to be Herc.

Originally posted by Diesldude
I understand that the hulk can grow strong quickly, but what outcome was in doubt? That he would be able to budge superman?

The whole time superman just stood there until he noticed the device and then he blocked hulk so that he can remove it. We agree that the hulk can keep growing stronger and stronger if his opponent lets him flail away while an annoying device is fueling his anger. But from that scan it appears that superman could have ended that fight at anytime.

How much power was herc expending when they measured him? And how do they know that, that punch was his hardest?
For them to say that the hulk punches 133 times a full powered herc punch then it would mean that that measured both herc and hulks punch that was 133x.

So why was the planet still standing? Unless -
A single punch herc punch is a mountain level punch at best and 133x should destroy a small country.

Edit. This 133 herc power sounds like H1a8's calculations using 50 earth weights yet he gets chit on all the time for it.

nowhere does it say, one of hulk's punches equals 133 of hercules's. hulk's innards tanked a force 133 times greater than herc's strongest punch.

Originally posted by 753
the measurements are legitimate. writer intent was clear and undeniable.

nowhere does it say, one of hulk's punches equals 133 of hercules's. hulk's innards tanked a force 133 times greater than herc's strongest punch.

Originally posted by leonidas
i doubt there is a bigger herc fan on this site than me but even i don't really care all that much about that scene. tbh i still don't really even know what it's supposed to show. that 133 hercs couldn't.....break out of hulk? penetrate his skin? 133 hercs lined up in a tug-o-war couldn't overcome one inhalation from hulk? lol it's so absurd as to be mostly meaningless imo and it would never translate in a battle so...whatever.

rage is right though--outside of hulk, herc is perhaps the single strongest herald being in marvel (some say thor, i'll take herc though it's close enough to not matter) so really that feat is saying is that hulk is at least 100x stronger than any herald (sentry, blue marvel, etc....). if you like to think dc herc=marvel herc (and i do) then cap marvel=herc and everyone knows where supes and cm's strength levels are relative to each other and the abc logic train is an easy one to hop on (and is mostly supportable in this case imo).

imo the feat is....kinda dumb if you ask me and would have been more clear had he exerted that force to LIFT something. but i like hulk and can accept hulk is stronger than any herald, but it could have been done more clearly (like a battle) or a better feat. to say hulk is 100x stronger than herc would put him at roughly 10x stronger than wm thor as well. the whole notion is silly and seems to place his strength (if you wish to draw that conclusion from said scene) in the trans level for certain. it brings in the question if hulk is that strong, how much stronger is thanos? how much stronger was zeus?

a truly silly scene imo, but long live hulk.

Originally posted by Raisen
Clark gets the bat tongue

Originally posted by 753
soon to be followed by the batcock

Hmmm. Wonder what would happen if it was Superman being stated as being 133x stronger than WW.....

Would prolly involve like 100 scans of WW's best strength "feats" taken to their absolute most obscene interpretation.

That and several boxes of tissue paper. For tears and "other stuff".

😆

Blasphemy.

We all know Superman is twelve parsecs stronger than WW.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Yeah, that's phucking dumb, but it's a insane feat for Hulk.

And here we have hulk no selling the strength of Hercules x 133 pounding on his organs

The fact that the feat refers to units of measure of Hercules' punches makes for an easy out/retcon, should the need ever arise.

Hercules could always say he was faking it, or maybe it was post CW Hercules. Where 1 herc = 1000 Spider-Man punches or .5 harsh stares from Maria Hill.

Maria was so fine in Avengers movie...droolio

Ahem

Originally posted by Zack Fair
Maria was so fine in Avengers movie...droolio

Ahem