Superboy Prime vs Asgard

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Why not? Sure if Thor and Prime are face to face I doubt he could avoid heat vision but he can easily block Heat Vision from the same distance as Superman was.

He did it to Gladiator, Hyperion, Nefaria etc. Superman's heat vision was the only being he for some stupid reason chose to wade through (Pretty impressive in retrospect based on how damaging heat vision is to Kryptonians).

Unless, Prime's heat vision travels faster then regular heat vision?

Maneuverability wise, Thor isn't as capable as Superman is. But he does have a weapon which offers considerable defense and is quite adept at blocking or absorbing energy attacks. I've not seen Prime use his heat vision with the same speed or precision as Superman has, so really, I think the odds are good that Thor can defend himself against it. And given his feats in general, I do think Thor can survive heat vision in the form of "piercing laser" type application as well as wide "burst" type.

Originally posted by Sh3nG L0nG
fixed that for you

I know Prime gets stomped, Gaea alone would beat him. Especially after that Mother of Creation reveal during Chaos War.

Originally posted by Sh3nG L0nG
They are not relevant as they are not in this fight, if you want to bring them up then you might as well bring up anyone who prime has gone up against but you won't because it does not help your argument.

and for the record he could go around punching holes in anyone below trans. he can easily over power Thor and that's not up for debate, you can tell yourself that if it helps you sleep better at night.
Thor is as likely to re-direct heat vision as prime is to close the gap and over powering Thor, quite easily at that. deal with it.

They are very much relevant. You said:

Originally posted by Sh3nG L0nG
grab both his arms, over power him and simply decapitate him, lobotomize him, amputate him, whatever you want up close.

How the hell do you think he can easily do that to someone like Thor when he couldn't do it to Conner and all the other herald level beings and below he's fought? The only people I saw him easily punch through were some random Teen Titan schmucks. Seriously, how the f*ck do you think that even makes sense?

He could overpower Thor, no one is denying he's stronger. I didn't even bring up Thor absorbing heat vision but if he did, he could easily redirect it at Prime unless he does some uncharacteristic avoidance.

Originally posted by Galan007
I suppose Prime might have to punch/disarm Thor before HV'ing him to death. Good call. 👆

He'd have to.

But why does everyone in this thread assume Thor just stands there as a big punching bag just watching Prime, not to mention all his other allies, some of whom are superior to the Odinson.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
And given his feats in general, I do think Thor can survive heat vision in the form of "piercing laser"

Also keep in mind that Prime was immensely weak when he fired that HV at Supes-- his full power HV would logically be much more potent.

Originally posted by Galan007
Also keep in mind that Prime was immensely weak when he fired that HV at Supes-- his full power HV would logically be much more potent.

👆 I was just about to say that

Originally posted by Galan007
That is entirely dependent on where he is struck. If said HV strikes Thor in the forehead, he isn't getting back up.

Also keep in mind that Prime was immensely weak when he fired that HV at Supes-- his full power HV would logically be much more potent.

True, full power heat vision would be dangerous, but given some of the attacks Thor has survived - without going into his high end WTF feats - I don't think Prime could easily kill Thor, which is based on both Thor's feats and the fact that Prime didn't easily kill anyone on Thor's level physically or all around.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I know Prime gets stomped, Gaea alone would beat him. Especially after that Mother of Creation reveal during Chaos War.

They are very much relevant. You said:

How the hell do you think he can easily do that to someone like Thor when he couldn't do it to Conner and all the other herald level beings and below he's fought? The only people I saw him easily punch through were some random Teen Titan schmucks. Seriously, how the f*ck do you think that even makes sense?

He could overpower Thor, no one is denying he's stronger. I didn't even bring up Thor absorbing heat vision but if he did, he could easily redirect it at Prime unless he does some uncharacteristic avoidance.

Rage, i get what you're saying. he hasn't done that to anyone he has faced because of PIS. all i am saying is that given tactic should work, apples to oranges, but superman has done it to Doomsday. prime would have to be an idiot to stand in front of someone he's trying to kill, lock arms with them and not use his HV. if they are face to face, how is Thor getting out of that? you seriously believe prime could not do that?
whatever i guess, you think you're right and i'm wrong, i think the opposite; so be it.

Didn't both Prime and Ion use HV while locked up brawling? I'm not completely sure

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
He'd have to.

But why does everyone in this thread assume Thor just stands there as a big punching bag just watching Prime, not to mention all his other allies, some of whom are superior to the Odinson.

Keep in mind that Prime's HV can also bust through GL auto-shields(which, under Johns, have allowed even rookie Lanterns to tank planetary explosions, supernovas, and black holes):

So again: if aimed correctly(ie. at a vital area of the body), and successfully delivered(ie. not deflected, absorbed or dodged), Prime's HV can definitely one-shot any herald-level being in Asgard-- Thor and Bill not withstanding.

Originally posted by juggerman
Didn't both Prime and Ion use HV while locked up brawling? I'm not completely sure

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
True, full power heat vision would be dangerous, but given some of the attacks Thor has survived - without going into his high end WTF feats - I don't think Prime could easily kill Thor, which is based on both Thor's feats and the fact that Prime didn't easily kill anyone on Thor's level physically or all around.

Originally posted by Sh3nG L0nG
Rage, i get what you're saying. he hasn't done that to anyone he has faced because of PIS. all i am saying is that given tactic should work, apples to oranges, but superman has done it to Doomsday. prime would have to be an idiot to stand in front of someone he's trying to kill, lock arms with them and not use his HV. if they are face to face, how is Thor getting out of that? you seriously believe prime could not do that?
whatever i guess, you think you're right and i'm wrong, i think the opposite; so be it.

Thing is, Prime is an idiot. At least when compared to Superman combat wise.

He's basically a wrecking ball, overpowering his opponents through sheer force and brute strength. This is something Superman himself can do, but Superman is also incredibly skilled and is a formidable tactician. Prime is an emotionally unstable wreck of a teenager.

Getting sick of this Conner/Teen Titian PIS being brought up.
I'm guessing these same people's logic indicates that:

Conner>>>32 GLs
Conner>>>2 Supermen
Conner>>>Ion
Conner>>>SC AM
Conner>>>all the teams Prime trashed
Conner>>>......you get the picture.

Seriously......it gets old after a while.

Originally posted by Galan007
Nothing about this battle would be easily accomplished. Even IF Asgard wins, I cannot buy-off on the notion that it'd be a 'stomp' or w/e.

If Gaea is included on the roster and if she's even moderately as powerful as she was when she no sold the Defenders, I'm inclined to believe it would be a stomp, tbh. Without her, Asgard can still win, but with casualties.

It doesn't matter. Their best bet to defeating prime isn't trying to avoid or absorb his HV. It's to try and pummel him much like the Legions did in Legion of Three World #5. Though, it took the combined might of so many

As for anyone who tries to lowball prime with Bart, remember Prime could have killed him.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
Ion is not high herald. His fight with Prime proved that he can hang with him better then any other HH

I know i mean that fight would show that Prime has used HV in very close quarters before. Closer than Thor would likely be able to absorb/redirect with that hammer if that was the case

Originally posted by Sundipped
Getting sick of this Conner/Teen Titian PIS being brought up.
I'm guessing these same people's logic indicates that:

Conner>>>32 GLs
Conner>>>2 Supermen
Conner>>>Ion
Conner>>>SC AM
Conner>>>all the teams Prime trashed
Conner>>>......you get the picture.

Seriously......it gets old after a while.

It's not PIS that Conner can hurt Prime. Plenty of people can and have hurt Prime, including beings significantly weaker than him. And no, Conner being able to hurt Prime (literally every single time they've battled) doesn't mean he's >>> everyone you listed.

Honestly, outside of magic based attacks, what's the most powerful attack Prime has actually no sold completely?

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
True, full power heat vision would be dangerous, but given some of the attacks Thor has survived - without going into his high end WTF feats - I don't think Prime could easily kill Thor, which is based on both Thor's feats and the fact that Prime didn't easily kill anyone on Thor's level physically or all around.

a properly written prime SHOULD beat a properly written top 5 herald with ease IMHO.

Originally posted by Sh3nG L0nG
a properly written prime [B]SHOULD beat a properly written top 5 herald with ease IMHO. [/B]

How was he not properly written?

Hell, barring the latest stint in Teen Titans, Prime has almost exclusively been handled by Geoff Johns (barring the random tie ins here and there). And Johns had been pretty consistent on how Prime stacks up to the heroes of the DC Universe.

Unless you mean forum/tournament mode.