Originally posted by Sh3nG L0nG
yes.
In that case, extremely versatile high heralds, especially those with mental based attacks could cripple Prime if also used in a forum mode.
Thing is, Prime's powerful, no one's denying that. But he doesn't have the mentality nor the skills that Superman has. And being frank, if Kal completely let loose like in OWAW and used his powers with maximum efficiency (which at least has happened on panel, albeit rarely), he'd be able to be a match for Prime, imho.
Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Prime is a solid trans-tier character. Anyone who wants to use those those ridiculous teen titans/connor kent showings to downscale him to high herald level might as well start downscaling Thor to low-herald/high meta because of his PIS-afflicted low showings as of late.
I think Prime is trans, sure.
But he's been consistently harmed by people in Conner's class ever since he was brought back in Infinite Crisis. I'm baffled how it could be considered PIS because Prime doesn't have many, if any, showings of him literally no selling attacks of a non-magic nature. Prime's damage soak is waaaaaaay more showcased than his actual durability, imo. Pointing this out isn't lowballing Prime, nor would lowballing Thor be the appropriate response.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
It's not PIS that Conner can hurt Prime. Plenty of people can and have hurt Prime, including beings significantly weaker than him. And no, Conner being able to hurt Prime (literally every single time they've battled) doesn't mean he's >>> everyone you listed.Honestly, outside of magic based attacks, what's the most powerful attack Prime has actually no sold completely?
If you want to rely on the handful of instances that he has been hurt then fine but it doesn't outweigh his more significant feats.
It's we'll established that Conner is his kryptonite so to speak and shouldn't be brought up as the basis for him being defeated by any being that's relatively in the same ballpark.
Three guardians attacking him simultaneously comes to mind but since his opponents in this thread are magically based, his no sell/tank stock would no doubt be higher.
Originally posted by -Pr-
I consider Prime a high, high herald, tbh. He shouldn't be one-shotting Thor, Superman etc
i wouldn't say one shotting, but when i say with easy i mean:
Thor Vs. Superman = what a fight, will probably go the distance, 12 Rds.
Superman Vs. WW = should be a good fight, he'll probably knock her out in the 9th round
Prime Vs any Herald = the promoters are protecting their fighter so they're taking an easy fight, will probabably get the KO in the 3rd after a few exhibition rds to give the fans their $$$s worth, but the other fighter is outclassed and out of their league.
sure if he gets cocky, see Buster Douglas Vs Mike Tyson 😆
Originally posted by Sundipped
If you want to rely on the handful of instances that he has been hurt then fine but it doesn't outweigh his more significant feats.It's we'll established that Conner is his kryptonite so to speak and shouldn't be brought up as the basis for him being defeated by any being that's relatively in the same ballpark.
Three guardians attacking him simultaneously comes to mind but since his opponents in this thread are magically based, his no sell/tank stock would no doubt be higher.
Handful of instances? Prime's only been really showcased in a handful of events to begin with. He's been hurt and effected, consistently, by beings weaker than him. It doesn't mean he can't kill them or clearly overpower them. But it does show an average for his durability/damage soak - and in Prime's case, his damage soak is far more impressive than what it takes to actually cause him to feel pain.
Why shouldn't Conner be brought up? Every single time he's confronted Prime, he's hurt him in spite of him being overpowered and outmatched. And it's consistent with other beings being able to hurt Prime. You'd have to dismiss more than several of Prime's notable fights. And again, Conner hurting Prime =/= Conner beating Prime.
Guardians aren't exactly the best examples in the world if they aren't named Ganthet or Scar, but that helps. I doubt Prime would no sell a punch from Thor, though. It's even sketchy he'd no sell Mjolnir based on what Mjolnir has effected.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Handful of instances? Prime's only been really showcased in a handful of events to begin with. He's been hurt and effected, consistently, by beings weaker than him. It doesn't mean he can't kill them or clearly overpower them. But it does show an average for his durability/damage soak - and in Prime's case, his damage soak is far more impressive than what it takes to actually cause him to feel pain.Why shouldn't Conner be brought up? Every single time he's confronted Prime, he's hurt him in spite of him being overpowered and outmatched. And it's consistent with other beings being able to hurt Prime. You'd have to dismiss more than several of Prime's notable fights. And again, Conner hurting Prime =/= Conner beating Prime.
Guardians aren't exactly the best examples in the world if they aren't named Ganthet or Scar, but that helps. I doubt Prime would no sell a punch from Thor, though. It's even sketchy he'd no sell Mjolnir based on what Mjolnir has effected.
Without getting into a lengthy debate about this (no time), I'm not really concerned with everyone who has ever hurt Prime, tons of characters have been hurt throughout their history, I'm only concerned with teams/characters having a definitive shot at outright defeating him per forum standards.
Considering the above, the continued mention of Primes arch-nemesis hurting him is not a deciding factor nor does it have that much of a bearing for me.
Originally posted by Galan007That he hits him in he head in a pin point manner in which you described.
If Superman couldn't avoid being struck, it's hard for me to imagine Thor doing so...Prove what? That Thor would be out of commission if he were struck in the head by the same HV that pierced right through Superman? Don't be idiotic. Thor cannot 'tank' brain death.
Originally posted by Sundipped
Without getting into a lengthy debate about this (no time), I'm not really concerned with everyone who has ever hurt Prime, tons of characters have been hurt throughout their history, I'm only concerned with teams/characters having a definitive shot at outright defeating him per forum standards.Considering the above, the continued mention of Primes [b]arch-nemesis
hurting him is not a deciding factor nor does it have that much of a bearing for me. [/B]
Conner's not the only guy below Prime in overall power that can hurt him, though. And him being his arch-nemesis or the character Prime has battled the most in his career doesn't invalidate those showings. High heralds definitely can hurt Prime and haven't been roflstomped like people suggest will happen to Thor and all of Asgard.
Fair enough. Hurting Prime isn't a deciding factor for me either as plenty of people have hurt him consistently enough for it not to be PIS and we all know hurting him =/= beating him. For me, the deciding factor is just what "counts" as Asgard per Carter's thread. And if Asgard(ia) includes Gaea, Prime is completely out of his depth.
Originally posted by JakeTheBankIf you assume that every blast AM produces is anti-matter, then yes. However, given that both Sodam AND Natu survived the blast, I am inclined to believe that it was not anti-matter-- especially when a mere touch of actual anti-matter nearly killed a Guardian(Guardians>GLs.) /shrug
Forgot about that one. 👆Sodam Yat survived anti-matter as well, didn't he?
Prime, on the other hand, flew directly through AM's core-- so there's no debating whether or not he tanked anti-matter.
Originally posted by Galan007
If you assume that every blast AM produces is anti-matter, then yes. However, given that both Sodam AND Natu survived the blast, I am inclined to believe that it was not anti-matter-- especially when a mere touch of actual anti-matter nearly killed a Guardian(Guardians>GLs.) /shrugPrime, on the other hand, flew directly through AM's core-- so there's no debating whether or not he tanked anti-matter.
Okay.
Guardians are also notoriously pathetic beings barring the times Ganthet does something or another named Guardian has a monster feat. But Prime surviving AM's core is a great feat (imo, he doesn't need to be compared to those blue failures to get props for that feat).
Originally posted by JakeTheBank👆
Okay.Guardians are also notoriously pathetic beings barring the times Ganthet does something or another named Guardian has a monster feat. But Prime surviving AM's core is a great feat (imo, he doesn't need to be compared to those blue failures to get props for that feat).