Originally posted by Taay'hai
[B]FFS. Guys, did I say "GALEN MAREK" or "STARKILLER", Galen Marek's clone, who should be described already more powerful than the original, as I think he is equal or even above the Dark Apprentice.
I hate this misconception people seem to have with this. Starkiller was NOT the name of Galen's clone. Starkiller was the CODENAME of the ORIGINAL Galen Marek. His Clone is nameless, and should be refered to as "Starkiller Clone" or "Galen Marek's Clone" not as "Starkiller" because Starkiller was actually the original.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
As for Mace, well, Sidious utterly ragdolled Maul and Opress. What has Mace done that puts him above Maul in terms of force powers? Pushed a AT-TE? Maul pulled an Eta-class shuttle. Crushed a tank with a door? Maul has collapsed cave ceilings. Destroyed droids with his force wave? Maul has ragdolled Kenobi.
Why do most of your post lack common sense, basic logic and use fallacy after fallacy? I'm honeslty curious. Mace has fought Sids who DIDN'T ragdolll him. So how the in the hell are you trying to use a red herring to prove he would? He already had the chance... he even tried a force push move and it was promptly countered. What's worse you're using a false distincition and comparison with Maul and Mace. It doesn't matter what OFFENSIVE force feats Maul or Mace has... what matters is.. that Maul was utterly ragdolled all over the place WITH help. Mace fighting one v one was NEVER ragdolled at all. That is the most relevent point here. Not only did Mace prove he wouldn't be ragdolled when he fought Sids.... the only proof you offer for him being so (which by the way would have to be an incredible amount of proof to counter the fight we already saw) is maul has just as good offensive force powers WTF???? The best argument you could make is that Maul offensive powers are on par with Mace's but his defensive force powers are clearly lacking. We have mace not Ragdolled by Sids or Dooku... two people with some of the best force feats around... yet you turn around and go... Mace would be ragdolled LULZ. I would even touch your utterly laughable idiotic view that Sids woudl Solo.. He would do no such thing.. In fact, by canon sources... Sids couldln't even beat Mace.. let alone solo. Let me guess... he rand0113dzorz Maul and Opress AMIRITE?
Originally posted by The_Tempest
We can't logically conclude that the outcome of a singular contest between peers represents a general rule unless otherwise notified. There's a world of difference between an instance and a trend.Mace and Sidious fought at parity; that Mace happened to win that particular fight with a precise kick to the face doesn't mean he'd win all or even most fights. The only observable significant difference between the two is in terms of Force mastery—an advantage that clearly and consistently rests with Sidious.
Agreed but an even worse slippery slope is that Sids woudl Solo somebody that he already lost to. That is far worse than sayign Mace would beat Sids for a majority.
You don't think there are? Do you think offensive and defensive works the same or you're as good at both. Look at any sports medium there is... players are rarely if ever equal at both. Nor do they require the same skills or practice to get better at. Why would it be different in the star wars universe? A perfect example is how Dooku can beat Kenobi with utter ease with the force.. i.e. his defenses aren't as good as Anakin.. who is never easily dispatched by Dooku in the same manner. Yet.. when Kenobi and Anakin engaged offensively.. it was a stalemate. Point is, it's a worse slippery slope and done right laughable to say Sids would solo somebody he already lost to and has NEVER beaten. That is pretty much beyond logic and dead square in the middle of stupid.
so there was literally nothing of importance with your last post except for fallacies and false comparisons? Look, my only point is, stop telling others to be logical, when you've been one of the worst in that area in the thread. It's bordering on comical to see you say logical with some of your posts.
Pretty sure I remember a certain someone belligerently asserting that Mace would beat Dooku's ass... Despite the fact that Mace is not known to have ever beaten Dooku before though we know Dooku has beaten Mace.
Suggesting that Sidious, who is on par with Mace as a duelist and surpasses him as a Force adept, CAN'T beat him is probably the dumbest thing I've read in recent memory and I've read SW_LeGeND.
Originally posted by The_Tempest
Pretty sure I remember a certain someone belligerently asserting that Mace would beat Dooku's ass... Despite the fact that Mace is not known to have ever beaten Dooku before though we know Dooku has beaten Mace.Suggesting that Sidious, who is on par with Mace as a duelist and surpasses him as a Force adept, CAN'T beat him is probably the dumbest thing I've read in recent memory and I've read SW_LeGeND.
Point me to a place where i said Sids couldn't beat Mace?
Further, you're refrencing Dooku beating Mace in SPARRING.. which is utterly useless. Mace shoud no doubt be the favorite against Dooku. Doesn't mean dooku can't take some wins.. but mace should, and rightfully so be the favorite. That is without question and all I've ever said.