Khan Noonien Singh vs. Yoda

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Here's how I see the fight going: Khan draws his phaser, Yoda yanks it out of his hand with force pull, then uses the force to telekinetically suspend Khan above the ground while he delivers a lecture in his inverted grammar.

Shooting Jedi in the back in the middle of firefights with the droids when the Jedi have had no reason to distrust them or suspect such treachery =/= being a match for them. We saw a mere padawan hold off a dozen of them when he actually saw them coming. An elite like Yoda or Mace would have wrecked them by the hundreds.

We don't see any Jedi own them by the hundreds ever. 😂

We see Yoda and Obi take out how many ? Lot less than a hundred. More of the same just speculation without anything of substance to support your claims.

Originally posted by XanatosForever
Yes, stun blasts are quite effective at incapacitating someone. They do not, however, have a great showing of force to knock someone back.

The battle between Yoda and Palpatine displayed various tactics, but when it came to the saber duel, Yoda showed his agility, able to leap well up to the future emperor's head and strike. That he wasn't able to take his head doesn't show a detriment to Yoda, rather a positive case for Palpatine's own skill. In his duel against Dooku, Yoda engaged his former apprentice with a leap that covered the distance between them quite handily.

There are examples of Yoda's skill with the Force. There are examples of his skill with a lightsaber. There are examples of his agility. I don't see how you can say I have none.

Khan probably could target and shoot at Yoda, but I think you're missing the context of the situation you've presented as the OP. The gap between the two combatants is negligible to Yoda, who could close the distance in a single leap. If Khan takes a shot, Yoda can deflect it in the air, and Khan has no defense against the lethality of the lightsaber.

I have never said that force powers are all that it takes for Yoda to win this fight. Each of my proposed methods of victory all include Yoda wielding his lightsaber, including the situation I explained just above (if you notice, I've not even listed an offensive force power Yoda uses). Are you certain you're reading my posts propertly?

In both Yoda fights he never held a real advantage. That goes against him. He closes the distance quickly but he never really does anything to make the other guy pay for it.

No examples of him fighting the manner in which you are suggesting. Yoda will try to close the distance with his saber and be mowed down in the meantime.

Yes, since I quoted you. You know deep down Khan wins. Khan is too accurate and has weaponry far more impressive than the Clones wielded which he cannot account for.

Originally posted by quanchi112
It is wider and more powerful than anything he has ever blocked before.

How does that make it unblockable?

I mean, we've never seen what you're describing. Wouldn't that be speculation on your part? Or making things up?

Originally posted by The Scenario
How does that make it unblockable?

I mean, we've never seen what you're describing. Wouldn't that be speculation on your part? Or making things up?

Seriously. This isn't hard to figure out.

Yoda comfortably.

Originally posted by quanchi112
So if a Lightsaber blocks a laser blast does that mean it can block a Death Star blast ?

Seriously. This isn't hard to figure out.

So Khan has access to a Death Star blast?

Otherwise, I'm going to have to ask you to prove your claim. Perhaps with evidence instead of speculation.

Originally posted by The Scenario
So Khan has access to a Death Star blast?

Otherwise, I'm going to have to ask you to prove your claim. Perhaps with evidence instead of speculation.

Originally posted by quanchi112
The blasts are wider than the blasts sabers have blocked. Size matters.

But not wider than the lightsaber's length, I notice. You might have a point if the blast was, say, bigger than a person, but it isn't.

So I ask you: is there, or is there not, any evidence backing your position whatsoever? If there isn't, you are just as guilty of speculation and suggestion of things that have never happened as you say everyone else is.

So yeah. Proof?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Koing someone is far more effective than knocking someone back.

In both Yoda fights he never held a real advantage. That goes against him. He closes the distance quickly but he never really does anything to make the other guy pay for it.

No examples of him fighting the manner in which you are suggesting. Yoda will try to close the distance with his saber and be mowed down in the meantime.

Yes, since I quoted you. You know deep down Khan wins. Khan is too accurate and has weaponry far more impressive than the Clones wielded which he cannot account for.

In the sense that having an opponent at your mercy, yes, rendering them unconscious is better. That does not mean that knocking them off their feet is not an effective tactic.

How does Yoda being kept even go against him when it's clear that his opponents are measurable in skill? Dooku was his own apprentice, and so would have intimate knowledge on Yoda's combat skill, but was still unable to defeat him. Palpatine had slain a number of well known, powerful Jedi well before facing Yoda one on one, and Yoda still put the dark lord through his paces.

The manner of his fighting style that I am suggesting is based off the evidence present. Even if I forego his use of offensive Force powers, Khan is still well within lethal striking range of Yoda's lightsaber.

Khan's accuracy is challenged by Yoda's prescience. A phaser blast should be easy enough to deflect, and he will only have a few shots before he is in Yoda's range of attack. Going for the cannon would waste precious seconds for him as well as he got it into position to fire. I do not know who would win, and it is unlikely there will ever be an official crossover battle between these two characters, but I certainly believe that Yoda would come out the victor in the setup you have provided.

WOW, 18 pages of Q arguing with pretty much everyone else whos chimed in here. Whod a thought this thing would go the distance. 🙂

Originally posted by quanchi112
The world is flat in your worlds. I live in the world of right.

You live in the world of Crazy, is where you live. 🙂

Once more, Quan shows he is completely incapable of being reasonable, logical, or consistent. I've already gone over all these points with him in the first half of this thread, all he does is rinse and repeat the same parroted crap repeatedly. Nobody takes anything he can say seriously...

Originally posted by The Scenario
But not wider than the lightsaber's length, I notice. You might have a point if the blast was, say, bigger than a person, but it isn't.

So I ask you: is there, or is there not, any evidence backing your position whatsoever? If there isn't, you are just as guilty of speculation and suggestion of things that have never happened as you say everyone else is.

So yeah. Proof?

Watch the scenes in question. Its kind of obvious.

Originally posted by XanatosForever
In the sense that having an opponent at your mercy, yes, rendering them unconscious is better. That does not mean that knocking them off their feet is not an effective tactic.

How does Yoda being kept even go against him when it's clear that his opponents are measurable in skill? Dooku was his own apprentice, and so would have intimate knowledge on Yoda's combat skill, but was still unable to defeat him. Palpatine had slain a number of well known, powerful Jedi well before facing Yoda one on one, and Yoda still put the dark lord through his paces.

The manner of his fighting style that I am suggesting is based off the evidence present. Even if I forego his use of offensive Force powers, Khan is still well within lethal striking range of Yoda's lightsaber.

Khan's accuracy is challenged by Yoda's prescience. A phaser blast should be easy enough to deflect, and he will only have a few shots before he is in Yoda's range of attack. Going for the cannon would waste precious seconds for him as well as he got it into position to fire. I do not know who would win, and it is unlikely there will ever be an official crossover battle between these two characters, but I certainly believe that Yoda would come out the victor in the setup you have provided.

Windu beat Palpatine. Yoda lost and left shamed. See the difference.

Khan won't let him get close enough. All his attention with two guns pointed at Yoda means he is a goner. He has one über gun and one successive blast gun which means he can't account for both at the same time.

Khan is firing on him and moving his offensive gun into position. We have never seen him miss. We have seen Yoda struck twice by offensive blasts.

Originally posted by DTM
You live in the world of Crazy, is where you live. 🙂

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Once more, Quan shows he is completely incapable of being reasonable, logical, or consistent. I've already gone over all these points with him in the first half of this thread, all he does is rinse and repeat the same parroted crap repeatedly. Nobody takes anything he can say seriously...

What's Khan's defense against a force push? I mean Yoda casually KO'd two guards with less effort than waving away a burp.

Originally posted by juggerman
What's Khan's defense against a force push? I mean Yoda casually KO'd two guards with less effort than waving away a burp.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Due to them being right up next to a wall and being unaware of him. Yoda force pushed Palpatine and it just knocked him over. If it can't ko a geriatric good luck selling that against Khan.

Is your stance that Sidious has the durability of a normal man his age?

What feats does Khan have that show he has the speed, reflexes, and agility to quickdraw Yoda?