Originally posted by juggermanA little greater. He can use the force to amp his agility and what not but he's an old man otherwise. Just as Yoda is crap until he uses his force powers.
Is your stance that Sidious has the durability of a normal man his age?
If Kirk went all out on Yoda as he stood like there like Khan did he'd be dead.
Originally posted by Lestov16I do realize he took them out the moment they interfered in his plans. Kirk said he took out a squadron single handedly. They had ships and dropped off more men. Kirk's crew was in awe of him. The guy is a one man army.
You do realize Khan ambushed the Klingons, and needed help? It's not like they surrounded him and he took on an army.
Originally posted by quanchi112
A little greater. He can use the force to amp his agility and what not but he's an old man otherwise. Just as Yoda is crap until he uses his force powers.If Kirk went all out on Yoda as he stood like there like Khan did he'd be dead.
Yoda can Force push Khan causing him to fall and deliver the coup de grace whild he's down. He's much smaller, faster and evasive than anything Khan has tried to hit before. He can also sense when non Force users are about to attack him, even when completely unprepared, and kill them before they could fire a shot.
Khan caught Klingons off guard to do the damage he did. He was very impressive but compared to Yoda they were nothing. He was also easily tagged in up close confrontations while infiltrating the ship with Kirk. He was armed at the time
Originally posted by juggermanHere we go with the theoretical arguments. Give me an example as in from a clip, etc.
Yoda can Force push Khan causing him to fall and deliver the coup de grace whild he's down. He's much smaller, faster and evasive than anything Khan has tried to hit before. He can also sense when non Force users are about to attack him, even when completely unprepared, and kill them before they could fire a shot.Khan caught Klingons off guard to do the damage he did. He was very impressive but compared to Yoda they were nothing. He was also easily tagged in up close confrontations while infiltrating the ship with Kirk. He was armed at the time
This is all I hear is Yoda does this or that without any proof. We see the opposite on screen.
Khan crushed those he fought unlike Yoda. Yoda failed to best Dooku a lesser or Palpatine someone Windu bested.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Here we go with the theoretical arguments. Give me an example as in from a clip, etc.This is all I hear is Yoda does this or that without any proof. We see the opposite on screen.
Khan crushed those he fought unlike Yoda. Yoda failed to best Dooku a lesser or Palpatine someone Windu bested.
Not at all. Can he Force push Khan? Yes or no? Can he use his lightsaber here? Yes or no?
Proof= he has force pushed and he has killed. He has the reflexes to evade Khan. Prove Khan can hit a small and quick target like Yoda.
Khan also fought beings inferior to Yoda, Dooku, Sidious ect. But i can use that logic too. Mickey the Pickey beat EVERYONE he has ever faced so he would beat Khan too 😬
Originally posted by quanchi112
It is bigger than the blasts which the Jedi have blocked or deflected. That's all I need.Watch the scenes in question. Its kind of obvious.
Since you refuse to post evidence yourself I suppose I have to.
Obvious to who? If this was an obvious thing there would be no argument. As it stands, there is room for doubt, as that blast is not particularly large. It is smaller than a lightsaber's length, wouldn't that be all I need?
So the question remains: Can you prove your claim?
Originally posted by quanchi112
So you agree. Nicely done. In a fight having your opponent unconscious is a win knocking them back is not.Windu beat Palpatine. Yoda lost and left shamed. See the difference.
Khan won't let him get close enough. All his attention with two guns pointed at Yoda means he is a goner. He has one über gun and one successive blast gun which means he can't account for both at the same time.
Khan is firing on him and moving his offensive gun into position. We have never seen him miss. We have seen Yoda struck twice by offensive blasts.
There is no need to sound so condescending when stating an obvious fact. A fact, I might add, that has nothing to do with the argument you were presenting to me. Tell me, would putting an opponent off balance in a fight give an advantage to one side?
Digression. Once again you are bringing other Jedi into this debate when there is no need. We not debating Mace Windu. We are debating Yoda. Yoda battled Chancellor Palpatine, then revealed as Darth Sidious, and not only did Yoda survive, he made Palpatine struggle to achieve victory. Hardly what I would call a bad showing for the Jedi Master.
There have been no showings of Khan wielding both guns simultaneously. Per your own mentality, he will not be able to target Yoda with both weapons.
Originally posted by quanchi112
A little greater. He can use the force to amp his agility and what not but he's an old man otherwise. Just as Yoda is crap until he uses his force powers.If Kirk went all out on Yoda as he stood like there like Khan did he'd be dead.
This statement pretty much proves you have no idea about what Jedi and Sith are capable of. None whatsoever.
Originally posted by The ScenarioYes, post the video clip we have all seen. Your inability to not repost the same videos every time you are in a debate is troubling.
YouTube videoSince you refuse to post evidence yourself I suppose I have to.
Obvious to who? If this was an obvious thing there would be no argument. As it stands, there is room for doubt, as that blast is not particularly large. It is smaller than a lightsaber's length, wouldn't that be all I need?
So the question remains: Can you prove your claim?
We see it is larger than anything the saber has blocked as well as more powerful by the video you yourself posted which well have seen.
If the saber blocks tinier blasts we have no proof it can block his über gun since it turns bodies into stumps. You proved my claim for me if you are being honest which you never have been with regards to Zelda related characters.
Originally posted by juggermanYes, he can force push. Yes, he can use his saber. Has he ever used it in the fashion in which you are describing with relative ease ? Absolutely not. Your Yoda is not real. Nothing you described can ever be found in a clip.
Not at all. Can he Force push Khan? Yes or no? Can he use his lightsaber here? Yes or no?Proof= he has force pushed and he has killed. He has the reflexes to evade Khan. Prove Khan can hit a small and quick target like Yoda.
Khan also fought beings inferior to Yoda, Dooku, Sidious ect. But i can use that logic too. Mickey the Pickey beat EVERYONE he has ever faced so he would beat Khan too 😬
He has never force pushed to kill. He has force pushed to unskilled opponents who had no guns and were not aware of his presence while conveniently right next to a wall. Thats what I call context. You seek to avoid it and debate by saying force push and ignoring the circumstances of the feat.
I don't see the Klingons going down with their ships to any of those Jedi or Sith alone. That Klingon force along with those ships wreck any of the Jedi or Sith alone. So once again you are wrong.
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Originally posted by Lestov16We see it on screen. Kirk was not lying.
So you're going along with Kirk's hyperbole even though screen feats say otherwise? LOLAnd guess what, Khan would probably chop off his dick just to get Yoda's telekinesis for a single day. Yoda is far more awe-inspiring.
Khan's blood resurrects people and creatures. Yoda can push people. Lol. Khan wins again.