Khan Noonien Singh vs. Yoda

Originally posted by XanatosForever
There is no need to sound so condescending when stating an obvious fact. A fact, I might add, that has nothing to do with the argument you were presenting to me. Tell me, would putting an opponent off balance in a fight give an advantage to one side?

Digression. Once again you are bringing other Jedi into this debate when there is no need. We not debating Mace Windu. We are debating Yoda. Yoda battled Chancellor Palpatine, then revealed as Darth Sidious, and not only did Yoda survive, he made Palpatine struggle to achieve victory. Hardly what I would call a bad showing for the Jedi Master.

There have been no showings of Khan wielding both guns simultaneously. Per your own mentality, he will not be able to target Yoda with both weapons.

Yoda failed. Windu did not. Yoda admits he failed. What does he do ? He runs off to hide on another planet like some kind of scared monk. What does Khan do when he gets pissed off at Marcus ? He bombs his facilities and assassinates high ranking officials. The guy also kills him later on by breaking his face.

Yoda is a coward who flees with his tail in between his legs whereas Khan is a guy who breaks your skull.

Khan wins this fight, easily.

Originally posted by DTM
This statement pretty much proves you have no idea about what Jedi and Sith are capable of. None whatsoever.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
That's because Quan is a grade A idiot, but you already knew that.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Ok, I am living well and wish to debate. Let it go. Hatred only consumes you which does not affect me in the slightest.

No, what I have issue with is that you seem to think you are above and beyond the rules such as burden of proof or logical thought, and your not. This has been explained to you numerous times, including by mods, but you seem to enjoy waiving your dick around and acting like a total ass clown in front of people, that you seem to forget the several ownages you copped in every forum in KMC.

That makes you a complete fool, and the online version of a functional retard in a semi vegetative state. Talking to you with a rational statement is about as useful as t!ts on a bull, and you have proven this hundreds of times in 2 years.

So, in order to prevent the pure boredom of our beloved KMC members and readers, I have resorted to mocking your incredible stupidity, for at least that serves a useful purpose for all the useless crap you spew.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
No, what I have issue with is that you seem to think you are above and beyond the rules such as burden of proof or logical thought, and your not. This has been explained to you numerous times, including by mods, but you seem to enjoy waiving your dick around and acting like a total ass clown in front of people, that you seem to forget the several ownages you copped in every forum in KMC.

That makes you a complete fool, and the online version of a functional retard in a semi vegetative state. Talking to you with a rational statement is about as useful as **** on a bull, and you have proven this hundreds of times in 2 years.

So, in order to prevent the pure boredom of our beloved KMC members and readers, I have resorted to mocking your incredible stupidity, for at least that serves a useful purpose for all the useless crap you spew.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, he can force push. Yes, he can use his saber. Has he ever used it in the fashion in which you are describing with relative ease ? Absolutely not. Your Yoda is not real. Nothing you described can ever be found in a clip.

He has never force pushed to kill. He has force pushed to unskilled opponents who had no guns and were not aware of his presence while conveniently right next to a wall. Thats what I call context. You seek to avoid it and debate by saying force push and ignoring the circumstances of the feat.

I don't see the Klingons going down with their ships to any of those Jedi or Sith alone. That Klingon force along with those ships wreck any of the Jedi or Sith alone. So once again you are wrong.

🙂

Has he force push with ease? Yes. Has he used his saber with ease? Yes. His fight with Dooku shows he can move faster than Khan can react to while slashing with his blade. Khan cannot defend against this.

He doesn't need to kill with a force push and i never said he would. So now Sidious was unskilled and didn't know he was there? Wow. You're reaching rather far to hide the fact that Khan has no defense against Yoda

This has no bearing on this debate as it is not "Yoda vs Klingons". Try again

Originally posted by quanchi112
I don't think so due to the fact a push will just push him back in which he can fire off blasts while Yoda will be in a vulnerable position due to using his force powers.

Yoda failed. Windu did not. Yoda admits he failed. What does he do ? He runs off to hide on another planet like some kind of scared monk. What does Khan do when he gets pissed off at Marcus ? He bombs his facilities and assassinates high ranking officials. The guy also kills him later on by breaking his face.

Yoda is a coward who flees with his tail in between his legs whereas Khan is a guy who breaks your skull.

Khan wins this fight, easily.

You make it seem as if a Force push is a simple shove by any ordinary human. It has consistently been shown to be an attack of great kinetic impact that sends targets flying back multiple feet. Khan does not have the showings to prove he can withstand that amount of force and still make an offensive. This is a moot point regardless, as I am now arguing under the pretense of Yoda not needing his offensive Force powers.

Yoda failed to defeat a Force user of greater magnitude than himself, but survived to train a new generation, bringing about his old foe's downfall. That's a feat of planning that makes Khan's little vendetta look like child's play.

This sentence offers no evidence or information regarding this battle. Digression.

Khan catches his own weapons fire in the face before losing his head.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
No, what I have issue with is that you seem to think you are above and beyond the rules such as burden of proof or logical thought, and your not. This has been explained to you numerous times, including by mods, but you seem to enjoy waiving your dick around and acting like a total ass clown in front of people, that you seem to forget the several ownages you copped in every forum in KMC.

That makes you a complete fool, and the online version of a functional retard in a semi vegetative state. Talking to you with a rational statement is about as useful as t!ts on a bull, and you have proven this hundreds of times in 2 years.

So, in order to prevent the pure boredom of our beloved KMC members and readers, I have resorted to mocking your incredible stupidity, for at least that serves a useful purpose for all the useless crap you spew.

Originally posted by juggerman
Has he force push with ease? Yes. Has he used his saber with ease? Yes. His fight with Dooku shows he can move faster than Khan can react to while slashing with his blade. Khan cannot defend against this.

He doesn't need to kill with a force push and i never said he would. So now Sidious was unskilled and didn't know he was there? Wow. You're reaching rather far to hide the fact that Khan has no defense against Yoda

This has no bearing on this debate as it is not "Yoda vs Klingons". Try again

Palpatine was skilled hence Yoda's failure. Yoda even showed up with Yoda to take out the small amount of clones guarding the temple. Khan took out an entire squadron of Klingons on a whim.

You said Yoda could do so. Absolutely not. Khan is greater than him. Yoda can't do what Khan can do. Khan is someone Yoda would lose to. No stalemate this time.

Originally posted by XanatosForever
You make it seem as if a Force push is a simple shove by any ordinary human. It has consistently been shown to be an attack of great kinetic impact that sends targets flying back multiple feet. Khan does not have the showings to prove he can withstand that amount of force and still make an offensive. This is a moot point regardless, as I am now arguing under the pretense of Yoda not needing his offensive Force powers.

Yoda failed to defeat a Force user of greater magnitude than himself, but survived to train a new generation, bringing about his old foe's downfall. That's a feat of planning that makes Khan's little vendetta look like child's play.

This sentence offers no evidence or information regarding this battle. Digression.

Khan catches his own weapons fire in the face before losing his head.

Yoda failed whereas Windu did not. Yoda's own words show him to be a failure. Yoda hid while others brought down the emperor. Yoda died. Khan himself killed Marcus. That's awesome.

Based on what ? When has a Jedi easily deflected someone with the offensive firepower and skill of Khan ? Never.

Originally posted by quanchi112
How does that prove he can move faster than Khan can react ? We also have never seen him use the combination of the two with the ease in which you describe.

Palpatine was skilled hence Yoda's failure. Yoda even showed up with Yoda to take out the small amount of clones guarding the temple. Khan took out an entire squadron of Klingons on a whim.

You said Yoda could do so. Absolutely not. Khan is greater than him. Yoda can't do what Khan can do. Khan is someone Yoda would lose to. No stalemate this time.

Khan has never shown reactions fast enough to keep up with Yoda. He was easily tagged while trying to take over the ship along with Kirk. We have seen him use Force Push with ease. See when he pushes Sidious across the room. He can easily do so to Khan

Palpatine was more skilled than Yoda. Khan is not. I assume you meant Obi-wan here. They were traveling together. Was Obi supposted to just sit back? It was never stated or shown that Yoda NEEDED the help. Khan set an ambush. Khan doesn't have the element of surprize here which he clearly needs

When did i? I think you are confusing me with someone else. Either way it doesn't matter since they are facing eachother not random other people. Khan can't do what yoda can do. He much to slow and unskilled to survive. Still waiting on that proof Khan can tag a target as small and quick as Yoda.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
No, what I have issue with is that you seem to think you are above and beyond the rules such as burden of proof or logical thought, and your not. This has been explained to you numerous times, including by mods, but you seem to enjoy waiving your dick around and acting like a total ass clown in front of people, that you seem to forget the several ownages you copped in every forum in KMC.

That makes you a complete fool, and the online version of a functional retard in a semi vegetative state. Talking to you with a rational statement is about as useful as t!ts on a bull, and you have proven this hundreds of times in 2 years.

So, in order to prevent the pure boredom of our beloved KMC members and readers, I have resorted to mocking your incredible stupidity, for at least that serves a useful purpose for all the useless crap you spew.

Only in the MVF can you get away with a post like this (well...until recently when someone started hitting report and Ushgarak had to step on 🙁 )

Originally posted by juggerman
Khan has never shown reactions fast enough to keep up with Yoda. He was easily tagged while trying to take over the ship along with Kirk. We have seen him use Force Push with ease. See when he pushes Sidious across the room. He can easily do so to Khan

Palpatine was more skilled than Yoda. Khan is not. I assume you meant Obi-wan here. They were traveling together. Was Obi supposted to just sit back? It was never stated or shown that Yoda NEEDED the help. Khan set an ambush. Khan doesn't have the element of surprize here which he clearly needs

When did i? I think you are confusing me with someone else. Either way it doesn't matter since they are facing eachother not random other people. Khan can't do what yoda can do. He much to slow and unskilled to survive. Still waiting on that proof Khan can tag a target as small and quick as Yoda.

Palpatine is not more skilled than Yoda. He has more power due to the dark side is all. That's why we see him minus the saber because Yoda had already disarmed him offscreen.

Yoda took Obi with him and obviously needed the help by the actual scene. Khan took on ships, more men, and an entire squadron singlehandedly. Yoda and Obi came by surprise as well and also when the temple was not heavily guarded. In every manner you look at it Khan looks far superior.

Saying Khan is unskilled is hilarious seeing as he has never missed. Comparing a physical specimen to a little old green alien who minus force powers can't even walk without the use of a cane is a hoot.

Khan is on another level than Yoda. He is too skilled with his guns for Yoda to ever close the distance.

Originally posted by DTM
This statement pretty much proves you have no idea about what Jedi and Sith are capable of. None whatsoever.

I have no idea who you are...

But he does make a good point. Qui Gon was exhausted from his brief fight with Maul. That indicates that, even though the older Jedi can amp themselves, it still takes a stamina toll on their bodies. I think that's what Quan was on about.

The Force does not provide them unliminted stamina, basically. Khan, however, seems to be able to fight for as long as he wants, at much more physically taxing exertion, without losing his breath. That's mostly because he was genetically engineered to be the perfect human combat machine.

So, yes, I would put Khan waaaaaaaaaaay ahead of Yoda in stamina.

But, rest assured, I think Yoda defeats Khan for many of the reasons already stated in this thread. Just wanted to point out where Quan was coming from with that comment without all the vitriol that is in this thread.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He was not using any guns and was crushing people hand to hand. It's like saying look at this guy minus the gun and ignoring he has two in this situation. He pushed a geriatric across the room after he was ko'd by a blast. Khan's guns won't just ko him.

Palpatine is not more skilled than Yoda. He has more power due to the dark side is all. That's why we see him minus the saber because Yoda had already disarmed him offscreen.

Yoda took Obi with him and obviously needed the help by the actual scene. Khan took on ships, more men, and an entire squadron singlehandedly. Yoda and Obi came by surprise as well and also when the temple was not heavily guarded. In every manner you look at it Khan looks far superior.

Saying Khan is unskilled is hilarious seeing as he has never missed. Comparing a physical specimen to a little old green alien who minus force powers can't even walk without the use of a cane is a hoot.

Khan is on another level than Yoda. He is too skilled with his guns for Yoda to ever close the distance.

Kirk gave him a gun. Khan was armed and easily tagged. He pushed him across the room and can do the same to Khan. He'll have a hard time shooting while flying thru the air

He was. His showings are more impressive and he was able to best Yoda. At the very least they are one par which is far superior to Khan. Anything could have happened offscreen so let's not speculate.

Him taking him does not prove he needed him. Again where is your proof Khan can hit a target as small and fast as Yoda? Still waiting on that

He is unskilled compared to them. He'd get cut down just like the Clones at the temple or the ones that tried to take Yoda out from behind. Show Khan reacting as Yoda did when they tried to kill him during 66. He sensed the attack and attacked killing them instantly. They had the upper hand and they died. Khan needed to surprise people to win

Show this gun skill with Khan hitting a target as small and fast as Yoda

Originally posted by juggerman
Kirk gave him a gun. Khan was armed and easily tagged. He pushed him across the room and can do the same to Khan. He'll have a hard time shooting while flying thru the air

He was. His showings are more impressive and he was able to best Yoda. At the very least they are one par which is far superior to Khan. Anything could have happened offscreen so let's not speculate.

Him taking him does not prove he needed him. Again where is your proof Khan can hit a target as small and fast as Yoda? Still waiting on that

He is unskilled compared to them. He'd get cut down just like the Clones at the temple or the ones that tried to take Yoda out from behind. Show Khan reacting as Yoda did when they tried to kill him during 66. He sensed the attack and attacked killing them instantly. They had the upper hand and they died. Khan needed to surprise people to win

Show this gun skill with Khan hitting a target as small and fast as Yoda

I don't want to add fuel to this fire...but...

Does Khan shooting all those Klingons count as your target shooting? Or rather, is it sufficiently close enough as a feat, for you, to be acceptable as proof?

I won't disagree with whatever answer you have to my question.

Originally posted by juggerman
Kirk gave him a gun. Khan was armed and easily tagged. He pushed him across the room and can do the same to Khan. He'll have a hard time shooting while flying thru the air

He was. His showings are more impressive and he was able to best Yoda. At the very least they are one par which is far superior to Khan. Anything could have happened offscreen so let's not speculate.

Him taking him does not prove he needed him. Again where is your proof Khan can hit a target as small and fast as Yoda? Still waiting on that

He is unskilled compared to them. He'd get cut down just like the Clones at the temple or the ones that tried to take Yoda out from behind. Show Khan reacting as Yoda did when they tried to kill him during 66. He sensed the attack and attacked killing them instantly. They had the upper hand and they died. Khan needed to surprise people to win

Show this gun skill with Khan hitting a target as small and fast as Yoda

He used his environment to gain the higher ground. He was smarter than Yoda. That's why he won. Yoda was easily disarmed and ko'd both times Palpatine used his blasts.

Khan hit multiple targets further away while dodging and having his attention on a much more difficult battlefield. We have never seen Khan miss while fighting multiple threats all shooting at him. Khan is just focusing on one threat. Khan his never missed and we have seen far lesser opponents cause Yoda to have to block their blasts. 1+1=2.

How is he unskilled compared to them ? We see the entire Jedi Order save two die in a night. You'd think with all this supposed skill they wouldn't go down so quickly. Saying they are more skilled is not proving it. A gun has an advantage over a sword. That's undeniable.

Seconds 2-6 or so we see Yoda stand there are multiple shots are fired at him. He stands there.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bRV-C9qBaYA

This is even worse than I thought. Khan for the stomp. Proof is in the clip. Sitting duck waiting to die.

Yoda is actually standing still like an idiot without using exceptional speed at all. The Yoda you argue for does not exist.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Khan knew no one could use the guns in that room so he fought and owned anyone who came in contact with him. This was done with relative ease. You always ignore the context of every scene to sell your misleading arguments. Khan fires quicker than Yoda force pushes. Watch the fight scenes between the two and tell me which is more likely to happen.

He used his environment to gain the higher ground. He was smarter than Yoda. That's why he won. Yoda was easily disarmed and ko'd both times Palpatine used his blasts.

Khan hit multiple targets further away while dodging and having his attention on a much more difficult battlefield. We have never seen Khan miss while fighting multiple threats all shooting at him. Khan is just focusing on one threat. Khan his never missed and we have seen far lesser opponents cause Yoda to have to block their blasts. 1+1=2.

How is he unskilled compared to them ? We see the entire Jedi Order save two die in a night. You'd think with all this supposed skill they wouldn't go down so quickly. Saying they are more skilled is not proving it. A gun has an advantage over a sword. That's undeniable.

Seconds 2-6 or so we see Yoda stand there are multiple shots are fired at him. He stands there.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bRV-C9qBaYA

This is even worse than I thought. Khan for the stomp. Proof is in the clip. Sitting duck waiting to die.

Yoda is actually standing still like an idiot without using exceptional speed at all. The Yoda you argue for does not exist.

Was he tagged or not? By beings far slower and less lethal that Yoda. All the while armed. Sad

He attacked people that didn't even know he was there. He won't get that here.

Again. Has he hit ANY target as small and fast as Yoda? No? Then he can't. Apparently character's can only do EXACTLY what they've done onscreen to you so Khan can't hit anything faster or smaller than human sized targets moving at human speeds.

Yoda=/= entire Jedi Order. Sidous=/= entire Jedi Order. That had nothing to do with them so why bring them up. That;s like me saying "Kirk got hurt by random guy in bar so Khan sucks." 😬

Does Khan now possess Force Lightning in this fight? 😂

Originally posted by juggerman
Was he tagged or not? By beings far slower and less lethal that Yoda. All the while armed. Sad

He attacked people that didn't even know he was there. He won't get that here.

Again. Has he hit ANY target as small and fast as Yoda? No? Then he can't. Apparently character's can only do EXACTLY what they've done onscreen to you so Khan can't hit anything faster or smaller than human sized targets moving at human speeds.

Yoda=/= entire Jedi Order. Sidous=/= entire Jedi Order. That had nothing to do with them so why bring them up. That;s like me saying "Kirk got hurt by random guy in bar so Khan sucks." :/

Does Khan now possess Force Lightning in this fight? 😂

They knew he was there as soon as he started fighting. He was on a platform where all could see him. Kirk and the others were in awe of him which included Spock. Khan was in plain sight, took out more reinforcements as they came, ships, and even disarmed Spock all with relative ease. One man wrecking crew.

You don't even have a point. I just posted a video of Yoda standing still while over a dozen shots are fired at him. What is amusing to me this entire time is all of Yoda's unnecessary jumps are all done basically in close combat in a sword fight. When we see guns used he blocks and sits still because he has to use all his concentration to do so since the blasts are much faster than an opponent using a sword while in close combat. It's like Khan in close combat minus a gun. Sure, he gets punched but he has wrecked anyone he has fought physically. Give Khan a gun and there goes his opposition. It drastically alters the fight. Comparing someone with a gun to without is simply stupid.

The entire order was eradicated in combat in one night. Relevant. The guys with swords went down by the scores.

The force blast which ko'd him was a slow attack which took around 2 seconds after a declarative statement had been made. That's far slower than Khan who has more powerful blasts and two guns aimed at sitting duck Yoda.

1 clip destroys your entire case and your make believe Yoda.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He was punched due to not being able to use his guns. He won easily. In this fight he has his guns. Quit bringing up irrelevant things which don't apply to this fight. Makes you look petty.

They knew he was there as soon as he started fighting. He was on a platform where all could see him. Kirk and the others were in awe of him which included Spock. Khan was in plain sight, took out more reinforcements as they came, ships, and even disarmed Spock all with relative ease. One man wrecking crew.

You don't even have a point. I just posted a video of Yoda standing still while over a dozen shots are fired at him. What is amusing to me this entire time is all of Yoda's unnecessary jumps are all done basically in close combat in a sword fight. When we see guns used he blocks and sits still because he has to use all his concentration to do so since the blasts are much faster than an opponent using a sword while in close combat. It's like Khan in close combat minus a gun. Sure, he gets punched but he has wrecked anyone he has fought physically. Give Khan a gun and there goes his opposition. It drastically alters the fight. Comparing someone with a gun to without is simply stupid.

The entire order was eradicated in combat in one night. Relevant. The guys with swords went down by the scores.

The force blast which ko'd him was a slow attack which took around 2 seconds after a declarative statement had been made. That's far slower than Khan who has more powerful blasts and two guns aimed at sitting duck Yoda.

1 clip destroys your entire case and your make believe Yoda.

He was punched while armed. Why couldn't he use a gun?

Surprise attacks leave the target in disarray. They could have known his location but still had to overcome their inital shock, decide how to procede, think about what to do about Kirk and company and more all while being shot up. It's not an easy thing to do. Khan took advantage of the element of surprize which he doesn't have here. Show him being that impressive without having to sneak attack. Or ya know show him killing one person as small and fast as Yoda

Is Khan somewhere up high where Yoda cannot reach him here? If not i don't see your point. You act as if Yoda got hit by blaster fire.

Not revelent unless Yoda was taken out as well by the Order. Was he? Nope. So pointless rant. If this was "Khan vs Ki-Adi-Mundi" then you might have a point.

Yet he's dodged things much faster. But nice low showing i guess. Again, is Khan going to be using the force here? If not then again you have no point

Yeah, your clip really proves Yoda cannot use a Force Push and/or his lightsaber here. Good job 😬