Originally posted by quanchi112
People used to think the world is flat. Most are sheep. I have unquestionably proven my case based on the evidence.
Youve proven only that youre a stubborn mule, who using your own line against you, is the sole person actually believing the world is flat, no matter how much proof to the contrary EVERYONE else presents you.
This match is so silly. Khan isnt even close to Yodas level, or Palpatines, Vaders, Windus or most any other serious Jedi/Sith character. Id give Anakin or Obi Wan from AOTC (meaning less than their ROTS forms) the win over Khan, thinking he would beat Yoda (one of the strongest Jedi ever) is utterly laughable (which thankfully the voting poll here shows all too clearly).
Originally posted by DTMWhat proof are they even going by ? Think about it. The evidence overwhelmingly supports me.
Youve proven only that youre a stubborn mule, who using your own line against you, is the sole person actually believing the world is flat, no matter how much proof to the contrary EVERYONE else presents you.
Originally posted by DTMLook at Khan's scene on Kronos and compare it to Order 66. What happened to the Jedi ?
This match is so silly. Khan isnt even close to Yodas level, or Palpatines, Vaders, Windus or most any other serious Jedi/Sith character. Id give Anakin or Obi Wan from AOTC (meaning less than their ROTS forms) the win over Khan, thinking he would beat Yoda (one of the strongest Jedi ever) is utterly laughable (which thankfully the voting poll here shows all too clearly).
Originally posted by The ScenarioIt isn't that easy against a skilled opponent. We see even Windu cannot do see easily against Jango Fett. You can Start by being honest.
As long as you agree the saber can block at least one blast, I'm good.What with Yoda reflecting that blast directly into Khan's face.
Originally posted by Darkstorm ZeroIf you watch the clip and are being honest it does.
You posted the clip, but never measured the ROF, not even once. Your evidence does not prove what you think it does.Yes.
When Khan becomes a galactic scale threat, call us back.
No, you magically twisting what you see in those clips is not common sense nor logical reasoning and deduction. You claimed 100% perfect accuracy, and got thoroughly trounced. You've already been exposed as a fanatically rabid liar.
No.
He was a threat to the Federation which is galactic in scale.
Untrue.
Khan wipes out a much more impressive force than the Jedi do in groups.
Originally posted by quanchi112
If you watch the clip and are being honest it does.
The richness of irony in this statement is palpable. You are attributing a rate of fire AND accuracy not demonstrated. You have no evidence, none, and your constant assertations do not change that.
Originally posted by quanchi112
No.
The correct answer is "Yes" Quan, because they have blocked bigger than blaster rifles before. E-Webs have been blocked by Luke and Obi. Lhriks by many Jedi on Geonosis, Barge turrets in ROTJ by Luke again.
You are not right on this one, not by a damn long shot.
Originally posted by quanchi112
He was a threat to the Federation which is galactic in scale.
The Federation encompases less than 1/5th of the Alpha Quadrant, A quadrant is 14th of a galaxy. You are an utter noob at this.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Untrue.
Oh it';s very true Quan, and your denial does not change that fact.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Khan wipes out a much more impressive force than the Jedi do in groups.
Yeah, because you can actually detail that the Klingons are superior to the clones, except you are not even close to being right about tech levels and circumstances at all.
Originally posted by Darkstorm ZeroWatch the scene and compare it to Jango Fett in AOTC. Thats one enemy so we can easily point point his rate of fire to Khan's. Scenes where there are clones amidst a cluttered battlefield making it impossible to pinpoint any singles ones rate of fire. It isn't even close, sport.
The richness of irony in this statement is palpable. You are attributing a rate of fire AND accuracy not demonstrated. You have no evidence, none, and your constant assertations do not change that.The correct answer is "Yes" Quan, because they have blocked bigger than blaster rifles before. E-Webs have been blocked by Luke and Obi. Lhriks by many Jedi on Geonosis, Barge turrets in ROTJ by Luke again.
You are not right on this one, not by a damn long shot.
The Federation encompases less than 1/5th of the Alpha Quadrant, A quadrant is 14th of a galaxy. You are an utter noob at this.
Oh it';s very true Quan, and your denial does not change that fact.
Yeah, because you can actually detail that the Klingons are superior to the clones, except you are not even close to being right about tech levels and circumstances at all.
Provide a clip to back your claim. Provide something that any reasonable person can classify as evidence.
They occupy as a galactic force not just a planet or so. I did not say their numbers were galactic in nature. Try and keep up.
The ease in which Khan decimates the Klingons and their ships is far more impressive than the Jedi being mass murdered with help. That's the point. Khan was on their homeworld.
You act like it was a mass number of Klingon's. It was a small group.
Also, Clone rifles pretty much fire on full auto as evidenced by pretty much all battle scenes. If not full auto, then three round burst.
Order 66 itself shows them firing mostly in full auto or burst rounds.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Watch the scene and compare it to Jango Fett in AOTC. Thats one enemy so we can easily point point his rate of fire to Khan's. Scenes where there are clones amidst a cluttered battlefield making it impossible to pinpoint any singles ones rate of fire. It isn't even close, sport.
Are you retarded? Khan is not Jango, and random Jedi Knight #52 is not Yoda. Your apples and oranges point fails flat because of it.
And no, that's just you being lazy and failing to use your eyes.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Provide a clip to back your claim. Provide something that any reasonable person can classify as evidence.
Why should I? You have not demonstrated that the Ubergun would actually do it, and the Lightsaber is well and truly known for reflecting energy weapon discharges, including force lightning. The onus is on you to back your claim that the Ubergun breaks through the sword, not the other way around, since you made the original claim.
Originally posted by quanchi112
They occupy as a galactic force not just a planet or so. I did not say their numbers were galactic in nature. Try and keep up.
What you posted just prior:
Originally posted by quanchi112
He was a threat to the Federation which is galactic in scale.
The Feds are not Galactic in scale, nor is Starfleet, and they never will be. SCALE, Understand terms.
Originally posted by quanchi112
The ease in which Khan decimates the Klingons and their ships is far more impressive than the Jedi being mass murdered with help. That's the point. Khan was on their homeworld.
Order 66, which was a galactic scale co-ordinated stab in the back, but even that failed to bring Yoda down. You miss context again, because you are a bumbling and dishonest fool.
Originally posted by Darkstorm ZeroPersonal insults are another way to try and steer clear of the issues at hand here. Stop. Its childish. You are right. Windu is better than Yoda as evidenced by him beating Palpatine when compared to Yoda's complete and utter failure against the dark lord of the Sith. We see Windu prevail due to his equipment malfunctioning not him easily able to reflect his blasts. Obi also failed to best him. He is a match for the Jedi and far less than Khan.
Are you retarded? Khan is not Jango, and random Jedi Knight #52 is not Yoda. Your apples and oranges point fails flat because of it.And no, that's just you being lazy and failing to use your eyes.
Why should I? You have not demonstrated that the Ubergun would actually do it, and the Lightsaber is well and truly known for reflecting energy weapon discharges, including force lightning. The onus is on you to back your claim that the Ubergun breaks through the sword, not the other way around, since you made the original claim.
What you posted just prior:
The Feds are not Galactic in scale, nor is Starfleet, and they never will be. SCALE, Understand terms.
Order 66, which was a galactic scale co-ordinated stab in the back, but even that failed to bring Yoda down. You miss context again, because you are a bumbling and dishonest fool.
Then you concede. Thanks.
Yes, they are as they occupy the galaxy. That's the point. We aren't talking about a population. Quit trying to change the terms in order to fit your silly beliefs.
Yoda was nearby the Wookies and rode up ones back after killing two. Not really a bad situation for Yoda when this was enacted. 🙂
Originally posted by quanchi112
Personal insults are another way to try and steer clear of the issues at hand here. Stop. Its childish. You are right. Windu is better than Yoda as evidenced by him beating Palpatine when compared to Yoda's complete and utter failure against the dark lord of the Sith. We see Windu prevail due to his equipment malfunctioning not him easily able to reflect his blasts. Obi also failed to best him. He is a match for the Jedi and far less than Khan.
You began all this the minute you started trying to script everything to suit yourself.
Windu got set up, Palpatine played that to turn Anakin, that is a pivotal plot point you moron.
You've no basis for claiming Palpatine is less than Khan, considering palps is a galactic scale threat.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Then you concede. Thanks.
No, I conceded nothing, because I asked this of you months ago, and you copped out.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, they are as they occupy the galaxy. That's the point. We aren't talking about a population. Quit trying to change the terms in order to fit your silly beliefs.
Occupying 1/84th of a galaxy doesn't make you a galactic scale threat, it doesn't even make them a quadrant scale threat like the Dominion or the Borg, it makes them a sectorial scale threat, and far less than what Palps affected with his mind alone. Now weep many tears of frustration.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Yoda was nearby the Wookies and rode up ones back after killing two. Not really a bad situation for Yoda when this was enacted. 🙂
And so literally tens of thousands of clone troopers plus ships & vehicles are suddenly no match for a pair of unarmoured Wookies? Lay off the crack man.
Originally posted by Darkstorm ZeroI base my outcomes on past evidence whereas you attempt to script everything to suit your bias.
You began all this the minute you started trying to script everything to suit yourself.Windu got set up, Palpatine played that to turn Anakin, that is a pivotal plot point you moron.
You've no basis for claiming Palpatine is less than Khan, considering palps is a galactic scale threat.
No, I conceded nothing, because I asked this of you months ago, and you copped out.
Occupying 1/84th of a galaxy doesn't make you a galactic scale threat, it doesn't even make them a quadrant scale threat like the Dominion or the Borg, it makes them a sectorial scale threat, and far less than what Palps affected with his mind alone. Now weep many tears of frustration.
And so literally tens of thousands of clone troopers plus ships & vehicles are suddenly no match for a pair of unarmoured Wookies? Lay off the crack man.
Palpatine used the situation to feign weakness due to being defeated by Windu. Thats what happened. Palpatine did not lose on purpose. He was defeated. That's obvious to all save the special cases such as yourself. Palps is not a galactic threat himself but he does have jurisdiction over a galactic empire. Trying being honest for once in your life. I am exposing you at every turn.
You cannot provide proof to your claim so you thus concede.
Yes, it does. Federation and the Klingons are examples of this. Palpatine manipulated the foolish Jedi and had more to work with. The technology of the Star Wars universe is not as impressive as the Star Trek universe though. Palpatine by himself is nowhere near as threatening as just Khan. That's the point.
Yoda was only around 2 and quickly hid on ones back. Alone Yoda would have been annihilated. Lucky for him he could climb up a Wookees like a scared child.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I base my outcomes on past evidence whereas you attempt to script everything to suit your bias.
What past evidence? What scripting did I do? Your the one who made wild assed claims about people not even onvolved in the match in an attempt to lowball while sucking Khan's balls.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Palpatine used the situation to feign weakness due to being defeated by Windu. Thats what happened. Palpatine did not lose on purpose. He was defeated. That's obvious to all save the special cases such as yourself. Palps is not a galactic threat himself but he does have jurisdiction over a galactic empire. Trying being honest for once in your life. I am exposing you at every turn.
He used the situation to his advantage right from the start Quan... Notice how he didn't lose his saber until AFTER Anakin arrived? Or hows about after Anakin cut off Windu's hand, Palpatine suddenly, miraculously recovered his energy and killed Windu, despite claiming he was on the verge of death only seconds before?
His pull of the Dark Side clouded every Jedi's vision across the whole galaxy for decades. try being honest to yourself, you get shot down every time you try to play being a smartass.
Originally posted by quanchi112
You cannot provide proof to your claim so you thus concede.
I made no claim that was not a counter to your original unproven claim. Thus, it is, in fact, your concession on the table.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, it does. Federation and the Klingons are examples of this. Palpatine manipulated the foolish Jedi and had more to work with. The technology of the Star Wars universe is not as impressive as the Star Trek universe though. Palpatine by himself is nowhere near as threatening as just Khan. That's the point.
No, it doesn't, because they can't respond to threats from the other side of their own galaxy without literally decades of prep, or finding alien tech-of-the-week due to plot convenience. Hell, even 29th century tech doesn't nearly begin to cover that distance.
He manipulated everyone Quan, not just Jedi, and I can see you have a bas as beg as your ego now... so, give me a reason to think this debate is actually worth any more time than what I have already given it, because biased fools make threads like this an aggravating chore.
That's your opinion. Wars generally has the better military tech, much, much faster FTL capabilities, generally better durability, shielding and weapons, but less esoteoric tech outside of superweapons.
Threatening? Well, apperances are very deceiving, as Khan has no way of defeating Palpatine either.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Yoda was only around 2 and quickly hid on ones back. Alone Yoda would have been annihilated. Lucky for him he could climb up a Wookees like a scared child.
That's retarded... Nice scripting, but retarded.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Look at Khan's scene on Kronos and compare it to Order 66. What happened to the Jedi ?
Ah, you do realize that Order 66 took the Jedi completely by surprise, it turned the clone troopers (the Republics trusted army for years) against the Jedi right in the middle of them fighting the Seperatists. Heck, even with Order 66 Yoda managed to take out several troopers who had the drop on him, and then later managed to carve through heaps more to get to the Jedi Temple. Yoda was almost completely unaffected by Order 66, so yes while most of the lower level Jedi were killed during 66, Yoda was not, not by a long shot (so as usual, your argument here holds no water at all).