Khan Noonien Singh vs. Yoda

Originally posted by quanchi112
Movies are canon and you can't ignore them.

Windu beat him whereas Yoda failed. Hyperbole aside 😆 .

Khan wins. He easily mows Yoda down.

You wouldn't understand. There's alot of circumstances involved with Mace's defeat of Palpatine, circumstances that, if not there, would have caused windu to die as fast as fisto did. Mace's light saber form feeds off of dark siders. Considering Sidious is the most powerful sith lord to have ever existed, it amped Mace up to Palpatine's level.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
The novel kinda explains what really happens in the movies. Even the fight choreographers have said that they slow down the fights in the movies, because if they didn't we obviously wouldn't see anything. It's still canon nevertheless.

We can't use the novels (fortunately or unfortunately) in the vs. threads. 🙁

Check the rules out that Impediment (the moderator for these parts) made: that should make things easier for you.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f102/t543649.html

Spoiler:
I'm not backseat modding or at least I am not trying to backseat mod. I am trying to help a new guy out because this place can get pretty scary if you're new to the frequent posters, here.

🙁 ah ok. Although it doesn't change that the novels are established canon, I guess that can somewhat count as part of the star wars EU, to an extent.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
You wouldn't understand. There's alot of circumstances involved with Mace's defeat of Palpatine, circumstances that, if not there, would have caused windu to die as fast as fisto did. Mace's light saber form feeds off of dark siders. Considering Sidious is the most powerful sith lord to have ever existed, it amped Mace up to Palpatine's level.

As much as I think Khan stands virtually NO CHANCE to beat movie Yoda, I personally do support the unusing of The Clone Wars cartoon to support movie Yodas powers and abilities (moreso the animated TCW series over the CGI one, as the animated ones the Jedi Masters were like Gods).

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Except when the fight choreographers literally say that they didn't show that much speed in the movies because you wouldn't be able to see them...

Then why in the novels if Jedis supposedly have this super speed ability, why did it take armies of them to fight off laser wielding cannon fodder? Plus movies override anything stated in any novel. Plus this is "movie vs forum", EU literature is irrelevant here.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
🙁 ah ok. Although it doesn't change that the novels are established canon, I guess that can somewhat count as part of the star wars EU, to an extent.

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, you don't understand the novels don't overplace the movies. Excuses. Windu bested him. Nuff said.

Ah, no, sorry Q. Palpatine let himself be "defeated" and at Mace's mercy because he knew Anakin was coming, and he wanted to make his final play over him to turn him to the Dark Side, so he played the helpless frail old man, forcing Anakin to protect him and attack Mace. After Anakin did this, and Palpatines plan worked, he Blasted the crud out of Mace screaming UNLIMITED POWER, so clearly Palpatine wasnt nearly so helpless in reality as he pretended to be.

Of course, youll look at it completely different, as you view reality as backwards as ever Ive known anyone to do so.

Originally posted by DTM
Ah, no, sorry Q. Palpatine let himself be "defeated" and at Mace's mercy because he knew Anakin was coming, and he wanted to make his final play over him to turn him to the Dark Side, so he played the helpless frail old man, forcing Anakin to protect him and attack Mace. After Anakin did this, and Palpatines plan worked, he Blasted the crud out of Mace screaming UNLIMITED POWER, so clearly Palpatine wasnt nearly so helpless in reality as he pretended to be.

Of course, youll look at it completely different, as you view reality as backwards as ever Ive known anyone to do so.

Keep living in your own world.

Originally posted by DTM
As much as I think Khan stands virtually NO CHANCE to beat movie Yoda, I personally do support the unusing of The Clone Wars cartoon to support movie Yodas powers and abilities (moreso the animated TCW series over the CGI one, as the animated ones the Jedi Masters were like Gods).

That's fair enough. 👆

Also, if you make a thread, you have the option of specifying which movies you will allow for "in-character" behavior. If you don't this thread's conditions, PM Impediment and ask if you can make a duplicate with alternative thread conditions. Multiple people have done that and gone to town.

I always try to consider everything when making a vs. thread around these parts so I get the type of matchup I want. I fail horribly, sometimes. 🙁

Originally posted by quanchi112
Admit you were wrong to me, now.

😆 😆 😆

I lol'd. We are so alike in some things we do.

Originally posted by DTM
Ah, no, sorry Q. Palpatine let himself be "defeated" and at Mace's mercy because he knew Anakin was coming, and he wanted to make his final play over him to turn him to the Dark Side, so he played the helpless frail old man, forcing Anakin to protect him and attack Mace. After Anakin did this, and Palpatines plan worked, he Blasted the crud out of Mace screaming UNLIMITED POWER, so clearly Palpatine wasnt nearly so helpless in reality as he pretended to be.

Of course, youll look at it completely different, as you view reality as backwards as ever Ive known anyone to do so.

No, George Lucas said in the RotS commentary that "Mace won fair and square." Palpatine didn't throw the match: Mace won.

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, you don't understand the novels don't overplace the movies. Excuses. Windu bested him. Nuff said.

You would be berated if you made such claims in the swforums. Only the parts that DIRECTLY CONTRADICT the movies are non-canon in the novels. The fact that mace required a large amp to defeat palpatine doesn't contradict the movie in any way. However I can willfully concede that, to an extent, the novels are part of the EU, and would have no effect on a specifically movies-only battle. But to believe that the novels literally hold absolutely no merit and are non-canon is a totally different story. If you find it hard to believe that Sidious and Yoda moved at near-relativistic speeds, man the crazy shit that goes on afterwards...

Originally posted by quanchi112
Keep living in your own world.

Again I say, HA, This coming from you??? The ruler and sole occupant of Planet Q? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
You would be berated if you made such claims in the swforums. Only the parts that DIRECTLY CONTRADICT the movies are non-canon in the novels. The fact that mace required a large amp to defeat palpatine doesn't contradict the movie in any way. However I can willfully concede that, to an extent, the novels are part of the EU, and would have no effect on a specifically movies-only battle. But to believe that the novels literally hold absolutely no merit and are non-canon is a totally different story. If you find it hard to believe that Sidious and Yoda moved at near-relativistic speeds, man the crazy shit that goes on afterwards...

Khan wrecks any of these sissy force users. Yoda needs a PT to help him for Anakin's sake.

Originally posted by DTM
Again I say, HA, This coming from you??? The ruler and sole occupant of Planet Q? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!

Originally posted by quanchi112
George Lucas said otherwise

Originally posted by quanchi112
Lucas no longer owns Star Wars.

Originally posted by dadudemon
No, George Lucas said in the RotS commentary that "Mace won fair and square." Palpatine didn't throw the match: Mace won.

iirc even the official Star Wars site said so too.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller

Originally posted by -Pr-
iirc even the official Star Wars site said so too.

Even though Lucas sold Star Wars, Chee is still employed and making canon administration efforts. Which means Lucas' statements regarding G-level canon still counts.

Which means it is not up for debate whether or not Mace Windu beat Palpatine fair and square: he did.

Edit - Wait, we already have PR up in dis b*tch. I don't think we need Queeq to clarify. Imp's decisions on this would override anything we say, though. Are we done with this avenue of discussion or are there those that still doubt Mace beat Palpatine fair and square?

Quan never proved the ratio of fire of Khan's weapons. You can see him dancing around the issue for about four pages here ermm