Gaming and Feminism

Started by Kazenji8 pages

I notice with that twitter comment about female protagonist for the next generation

and what gets revealed Mirrors Edge 2.

Originally posted by Kazenji
I notice with that twitter comment about female protagonist for the next generation

and what gets revealed Mirrors Edge 2.

Oh shit, I didn't even notice that, lol.

gg

Originally posted by Kazenji
I notice with that twitter comment about female protagonist for the next generation

and what gets revealed Mirrors Edge 2.

Don't... ruin... the... narrative!

Far from it.....

I'm only pointing out how she was wrong from her twitter thing

seriously she's like a little kid going "No more milk for a chocolate milkshake"....look again there is milk.

She wasn't wrong at all- her comment was about Microsoft's XBox One presentation. She is specifically complimentary about Mirror's Edge 2.

Ush is correct, the very next post on her tumblr points out and praises the couple of games featuring women http://femfreq.tumblr.com/post/52752086803/new-video-game-trailers-featuring-women-at-e3-2013 (at EA and Sony conference, not Xbox One, since they didn't have any). Though that is still a tiny number when comparing it to the demographics of gamers. Again dadudemon's point that it's not shocking or extreme for the gaming industry is correct, but that is really the issue, isn't it? The gaming industry is immensely male focussed.

In tangential news, there's this really great project on indiegogo called "App Camp for Girls" which aims to get girls into programming and app development (which would of course extend to game development). They are already funded to their goal, but obviously more funding would give them more options, if anyone is interested in that here's the link http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/app-camp-for-girls

Originally posted by Bardock42
Is there a controversy still going on? The ones I can recall happened a while ago.

I'd play it right now, but it's really my girlfriend's game and she doesn't like when I play her games first. So I'm playing Deus Ex: Human Revolution instead.

When I said going on, I meant at the time, not nowadays. That whole "rape" thing was crazy.

Mirror's Edge 2 wasn't enough for her huh? Forget trying to please people like that then.

Read above. It did please her.

Bardock, you could at least respond to my multi-paragraph post with a "You make some points but I can't agree with all of it" or "Wow you're a genius, a ruggedly-handsome devil with eyes that have qualities of green, grey, and blue yet can not be accurately called any one of them", or even "Oi **** you mate fite me irl".

I know Ush said not to continue the discussion, but some acknowledgement would be nice. ._.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Read above. It did please her.

I meant it didn't seem to please her enough as it should have.

Back to the main discussion, lolfeminists.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Bardock, you could at least respond to my multi-paragraph post with a "You make some points but I can't agree with all of it" or "Wow you're a genius, a ruggedly-handsome devil with eyes that have qualities of green, grey, and blue yet can not be accurately called any one of them", or even "Oi **** you mate fite me irl".

I know Ush said not to continue the discussion, but some acknowledgement would be nice. ._.

I could, surely.

I was going to reply to you in PM when I found the time, if it is alright with you uhuh

Though, if you want a tl;dr: I disagree with what you say, especially in your interpretation of the term privilege, which imo, does not have the inherent us vs. them character that you make it out to have. And I believe that considering the severity of the detrimental effects and a weighing of them is important, for example to determine who might be in more need of aid.

My reply wouldn't bring anything new to the table, my points are still the same, we'd just continue arguing the,

Only if you bring nudes of a 93 year old Austrian woman and her dog.

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
I meant it didn't seem to please her enough as it should have.

Back to the main discussion, lolfeminists.

Why should one game alone please her and shut her up? The vast majority of games showed where still catering to a male gamer stereotype. That doesn't vanish just because one (or actually a couple) games don't have that issue.

What games were demonstrated for Xbone?

http://www.digitaltrends.com/gaming/microsoft-e3-2013-press-conference/

Originally posted by Bardock42
Why should one game alone please her and shut her up? The vast majority of games showed where still catering to a male gamer stereotype. That doesn't vanish just because one (or actually a couple) games don't have that issue.

How many games with female leads does there have to be to shut her up then? I've known certain feminists who won't be satisfied until there comes a day where there's as many female heroes in comics and other forms of fiction as there are males, and like that's ever gonna happen.

Besides, Mirror's Edge 2 looks better than a lot of those games catering to the male gamer stereotype. Quality > quantity.

Also,

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
Suppose we had gotten more female protagonists on the Xbox One or whatever else, if that had meant more characters along the lines of Bayonetta or Other M Samus, am sure I (and perhaps she too) would've said no to that anyway. As we've seen, some games with female leads can be sexist themselves.

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
How many games with female leads does there have to be to shut her up then? I've known certain feminists who won't be satisfied until there comes a day where there's as many female heroes in comics and other forms of fiction as there are males, and like that's ever gonna happen.

Besides, Mirror's Edge 2 looks better than a lot of those games catering to the male gamer stereotype. Quality > quantity.

Also,

45/55 (split of gamers by gender allegedly) would be a start

And why shouldn't fetishized women be discounted from such a count, it again caters to male gamers.

I guess it would be a start though.

And why can 50/50 never happen? There's no reason. Men aren't naturally incapable of sympathizing with female leads.

If the majority of gamers weren't male to begin with, things would be different I'm sure. While I'm not one for having most games be a sausagefest, catering to the male demographic often is what gets devs the most money far as games go.

If NemeBro allows it I shall post my reply to him in the America and Sexism thread.