Zoom Vs Surfer

Originally posted by Galan007
No, I was just thinking planet-sized, as some have mentioned earlier. That's all.

That's true. An omni-blast can definitely work in that case. 👆

No, I'm basically asking for proof to back up some of the claims made about Surfer. My point is: just because a character 'can' do something, doesn't mean it is in character for them to do. Nothing more nothing less.

Really, this comes down to initial blitz. Surfer will get blitzed by Zoom, that much I'm certain of. IF he endures the blitz long enough to realize that he must go airborne, then the battle shifts in his favor. He'd likely not release an omni-blast right away-- he'd probably fly around trying(and failing) to blast Zoom with more conventional blasts(CIS is still on, after all)... But yeah, if he unleashes Annihilation-ish omni-blast, game over. Zoom can't do shit if the battlefield is no longer there.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
But that's what I've been saying, tho.

uhuh

Like I said, the question will primarily be:

"Can Zoom KO the Surfer within the space of a single blitz?"

IF yes Zoom stomps. IF not Surfer stomps.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Depends also where this battle takes place. He definitely ain't doin that on an inhabited planet. Just seems so unlikely.. Meh...

Originally posted by Galan007
Yeah, I agree. Tbh, I'd forgotten that his planet-buster during Annihilation was an omni-blast, until you mentioned it.

Well then, I am glad we have reached an accord! 😄

👆

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Depends also where this battle takes place. He definitely ain't doin that on an inhabited planet. Just seems so unlikely.. Meh...

Where do these "battles" usually take place? If it's earth, I don't see Surfer pulling that off, just like you said. If it's an abandoned earth, then that will be different.

Originally posted by Golgo13
Where do these "battles" usually take place? If it's earth, I don't see Surfer pulling that off, just like you said. If it's an abandoned earth, then that will be different.

Rules aren't that specific on what a generic battlefield would be like. But you'll have to concede that there is no way Zoom is winning this and that, at best (depending on battlefield conditions) the best he can hope for is a stalemate. 😈

I swear. Fukkin speedsters always muck up the forums. You start thinking... "Oh man, this guy sooo fast he can punch his opponent a bazillion times before a counter attack."

Then part of you says.. "erm... can he really do that? Let me look over my calculations. Maybe an estimate perhaps."

Then ure like.. "Ah fukk it. My head hurts. Fcukkin speedsters."

Originally posted by Galan007
I never once mentioned Zoom running on air. Don't project.

A poster did bring up Professor Zoom running on the air in response to Surfer's battlefield disruption arguments, which was a response in turn to Zoom de-aging Surfer instantly in the first place. That entire conversation which you can see on page 4 of this thread was the reason for planetary destruction being brought up in the first place.

So when you jump into a conversation by criticizing the very a$$-end of a rote conversation that began with insipid logic, it just makes you look inattentive to the context with which these statements are made. My post was aimed at someone who I assumed actually understood the entire context of the conversation. I apologize for projecting that onto you. I was badly mistaken on that.

In sum, your criticisms of the shallow notion that Surfer would blow up planets (based on 2 feats) doesn't take into consideration that it was merely a response to the shallow notion that Professor Zoom would suddenly run on air (based on no feats) to negate Surfer's airborne mobility in the first place.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Rules aren't that specific on what a generic battlefield would be like. But you'll have to concede that there is no way Zoom is winning this and that, at best (depending on battlefield conditions) the best he can hope for is a stalemate. 😈

If Surfer isn't in the area, then it's BFR. Zoom can always run up a building and still speed blitz. That simple.

Originally posted by Golgo13
If Surfer isn't in the area, then it's BFR. Zoom can always run up a building and still speed blitz. That simple.

Why wouldn't Surfer be in the area? He'd most likely be flying around much higher than any building or surface would be. Battlefield isn't Manhattan or a major city. We can't assume that.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Why wouldn't Surfer be in the area? He'd most likely be flying around much higher than any building or surface would be. Battlefield isn't Manhattan or a major city. We can't assume that.

What exactly are the limits of the battlefield?

Really, it depends how much damage you think Zoom is capable of delivering to Surfer with his blitz. He was able to stagger or drop Booster, Superman and Hal in the space of a single panel with a very casual blitz. Given that, it seems logical to assume that he could potentially cause a great deal of damage to them if he were to blitz with everything he has(Zolomon's casual bashing of Wonder Woman is also indicative of such)... And IF he can harm the aforementioned with an all-out blitz, he should be able to harm Surfer with an all-out blitz as well-- to what degree is impossible to say, however. /shrug

Either way, I do have enough faith in Zoom's speed to believe that he would render Surfer completely ineffective as long as he's grounded.

Originally posted by ODG
I'm going to say this as flatly as I can:

A poster did bring up Professor Zoom running on the air in response to Surfer's battlefield disruption arguments, which was a response in turn to Zoom de-aging Surfer instantly in the first place. That entire conversation which you can see on page 4 of this thread was the reason for planetary destruction being brought up in the first place.

So when you jump into a conversation by criticizing the very a$$-end of a rote conversation that began with insipid logic, it just makes you look inattentive to the context with which these statements are made. My post was aimed at someone who I assumed actually understood the entire context of the conversation. I apologize for projecting that onto you. I was badly mistaken on that.

In sum, your criticisms of the shallow notion that Surfer would blow up planets (based on 2 feats) doesn't take into consideration that it was merely a response to the shallow notion that Professor Zoom would suddenly run on air (based on no feats) to negate Surfer's airborne mobility in the first place.

Originally posted by Galan007
Really, it depends how much damage you think Zoom is capable of delivering to Surfer with his blitz. He was able to stagger or drop Booster, Superman and Hal in the space of a single panel with a very casual blitz. Given that, it seems logical to assume that he could potentially cause a great deal of damage to them if he were to blitz with everything he has(Zolomon's casual bashing of Wonder Woman is also indicative of such)... And IF he can harm the aforementioned with an all-out blitz, he should be able to harm Surfer with an all-out blitz as well-- to what degree is impossible to say, however. /shrug

Either way, I do have enough faith in Zoom's speed to believe that he would render Surfer completely ineffective as long as he's grounded.

I'd need the scan of him dropping Superman w/in a single blitz. From the scans I've seen, it looks like he hurt Superman but not KO him at all.

Like I said, it comes down to one's opinion of what Zoom can do to Surfer in a space of a single blitz. Cuz we all know as soon as Surfer gets airborne, given the options open to him, he's taking this fight.

Originally posted by Golgo13
What exactly are the limits of the battlefield?

It's always been assumed (at least to my experience here) that the battlefield would be an Earth-sized empty planet. I'll PM a mod for clarification.

Originally posted by Galan007
Stop projecting. It's getting pathetic. 👆

Originally posted by Nibedicus
I'd need the scan of him dropping Superman w/in a single blitz. From the scans I've seen, it looks like he hurt Superman but not KO him at all.

Either way, Zoom's blitz staggered Superman and Hal. It dropped Booster.

Originally posted by ODG
Once you're done prying the foot out of your mouth, you can feel free to shut up. 👆 👆

Why are you so mad? I'm not Mr Master... These blows you might think you're causing to my 'e-ego' have no effect on me, in truth. 👆

Originally posted by Galan007
When I say "drop", I just mean it dropped him to the ground. I didn't intend it to mean a KO.

Either way, Zoom's blitz staggered Superman and Hal. It dropped Booster.

I'd compare Surfer durability to that of Supes. Would it be fair to assume that if Superman was able to get up from that blitz, then Surfer would not doubt be able to get on his board and go airborne? 🙂

Originally posted by Nibedicus
I'd compare Surfer durability to that of Supes. Would it be fair to assume that if Superman was able to get up from that blitz, then Surfer would not doubt be able to get on his board and go airborne? 🙂

He was able to stagger or drop Booster, Superman and Hal in the space of a single panel with a very casual blitz. Given that, it seems logical to assume that he could potentially cause a great deal of damage to them if he were to blitz with everything he has(Zolomon's casual bashing of Wonder Woman is also indicative of such)... And IF he can harm the aforementioned with an all-out blitz, he should be able to harm Surfer with an all-out blitz as well-- to what degree is impossible to say, however.

Originally posted by Galan007
😂

Why are you so mad? I'm not Mr Master... These blows you might think you're causing to my 'e-ego' have no effect on me, in truth. 👆

Originally posted by ODG
I'm not concerned with your ego. Don't project. I only dealt with the tremendous irony of you trying to call me out for not appreciating the narrow context of your criticisms when you didn't bother appreciating the full context of my statements in the first place.

So if my post hurt your feelings, then I apologize. However, it wasn't intended as the personal jab you seemed to have perceived it as. Dunno why you're making such a big deal out of nothing..?