Thor (CIS/CIP OFF) vs Superboy Prime

Started by JakeTheBank26 pages

If Conner didn't give Prime a competitive fight each and every time he faced him (while still clearly being shown as less powerful than him), Abhi might have a point.

But the idea that he somehow "debuffs" or otherwise weakens Prime is stupid and not mentioned once.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Ion and Prime were shooting each other in the f*cking face and he didn't blast through him either:
http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc260/Superman-Prime_Respect/primevsion3.jpg

Post a scan that even alludes to Conner's presence weakening Prime or stop bringing it up. This is fanboy nonsense at it's finest.

Superman had a bit of a shitty showing, whatever, it happens. That's not evidence of Conner weakening Prime. I mean, seriously.

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I'm sure there's more examples of point blank heat vision not being fatal or alluded to being close to fatal from Prime and other Kryptonians as well.

The idea that because Prime's HV went through Superman's hand, it logically would have killed Superman if it struck his head is phucking absurd.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
More then once. It's comics. The primary reason is honestly team jobber mentality. Batman solo is going to look better against Superman then the entire league, it's a consistent pattern.

I'm not even sure there's a term for it, but that's pretty common in the wrestling industry too.

Your Stone Cold or Hogan struggling with one guy one moment, and beating entire teams the next..

Originally posted by abhilegend
Ion's shields bro+daxamite durability. That's higher than Superman's durability. Nothing wrong with that.

Its right in his powerset. Want me to post how PC kryptonians' whole power was dependent on their mind? Prime is a PC kryptonian, the lower their confidence the less powerful they become. Did you see Prime stuttering in the same scan?

Sodam Yat's durability is suspect. I don't think Superman is less durable then him tbh.

Lol, I don't care if every Pre-Crisis Kryptonian turned into puppies on a whim, it has no bearing on Prime. It's just as nonsensical as you arguing he doesn't feed off of yellow Sunlight. 😬

Also, the Human Bomb apparently survived Prime's heat vision (Pretty sure he dies at Bizzaro's hands afterwards, but someone double check):
http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/10/25/1539595/primvs4.jpg

And Wonder Girl's electric lasso seemed to hurt Prime:
http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/10/25/1539595/primvs6.jpg
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Originally posted by abhilegend
Ion's shields bro+daxamite durability. That's higher than Superman's durability. Nothing wrong with that.

Its right in his powerset. Want me to post how PC kryptonians' whole power was dependent on their mind? Prime is a PC kryptonian, the lower their confidence the less powerful they become. Did you see Prime stuttering in the same scan?

The hell? Superman would beat the shit out of Yat. And Superman's upper tiered durability showings are better than Yat's, let alone his higher end stuff.

Prime being a basket case didn't make him weaker. facepalm

If you can show a scan of Prime around Infinite Crisis' power levels being explicitly diminished based on his mental stability, go for it.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Sodam Yat's durability is suspect. I don't think Superman is less durable then him tbh.

Do you think Superman could have tanked anti monitor's attacks that normal GL Yat took?

In theory, the shields should add an extra layer of durability to a Daxamite, considering how durable fragile humans become under a GL aura..

Almost forgot, but Zauriel survives a point blank blast from Prime as well. Someone post a scan.

Originally posted by cdtm
Do you think Superman could have tanked anti monitor's attacks that normal GL Yat took?

In theory, the shields should add an extra layer of durability to a Daxamite, considering how durable fragile humans become under a GL aura..

Do you happen to have a scan? I don't see why not. Was this before or after Yat gets his Daxamite powers?

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Prove Conner effects his power level and/or mind enough to basically "Gladiator effect" Prime.
Its right in his powerset. He is a PC kryptonian bro.
Black Adam's punches (ie, the physical/kinetic effect of them) effected Prime. But due to their magical nature (ie. the lightning amps) he wasn't effected.
Being magical doesn't means the blunt force was negated.
Martian Manhunter hurt him with a punch.
He only punched him away. Prime later oneshotted him.
Hal Jordan hurt him with a stray energy blast.
Well, that's Geoff Johns. What did you expect? Also that prime was lower in power.
Bart hurt Prime with a punch.
Who had the whole speed force inside him first time and later was lowering his confidence.
So, yeah, while Prime may be > than those characters, him being hurt by them and at the same time being able to just end them isn't PIS or some kind of "mental phuckery" or even a low showing. It's consistent with Prime's entire history since his return to comics.
The only thing consistent with all that is that Prime either oneshots them later or suffers a confidence drop. Gimme a minute and I will show you how PC kryptonians' power works. That's why you are a false superfan, you don't know anything about superman.

Thor's entire history shits on Yat.
Then why not post those scans of Thor surviving a planet exploding and whatnot at a lower power level.
He put up a great effort against Prime and wasn't killed by the Anti-Monitor? Great. Thor habitually fights skyfathers with galactic or universal threat levels and doesn't get beaten half to death in a humiliating fashion.
Thor randomly fighting skyfathers in a few issues among more than 5000 issues isn't a norm. Yat has only a few appearances and his average is stupidly high.
I'd be more than glad to battlezone the abortion of Sodam Yat as Thor.
What is with you and urge to battlezone characters with a few appearances. I'd be more than happy to BZ you with Superman against anybody too.

Do you even read what you type? Specifically using low feats such as that mast showing is the very definition of lowballing in addition to citing PIS feats, both of which are against the rules.
And you're doing what exactly?
The fact that you're immediately trying to cite low showings of Thor's is testament to that. And me citing how Conner [b]CONSISTENTLY gives Prime a damn good fight isn't lowballing Prime at all. And if it was, it's not NEARLY to the degree as you seriously bringing up that mast showing.
Connor gives Prime a good fight regularly because he lowers his power level. That's definition of lowballing bro.

Feats of Wildfire that puts him at Superman's level? Monarch?
He has taken attacks from Mordru, Glorith, Time trapper and shit. He's also fought Mon-el evenly.
He was amped the vast majority of the time when he fought Monarch and Monarch was a complete idiot the whole time, essentially trolling the shit out of Prime and treating him like a whiny child.
That means shit. Prime burned out his amp when he shredded his armor.
Actually, yes, the fact that Prime can't easily dispatch of Superman or Sodam Yat speaks volumes here.
No it doesn't, when either are far more durable than thor.
Considering what Superman has survived, no, I don't think Prime's heat vision would have one shot killed Superman at all. [/B]
Now you're ignoring direct on panel proof. Prime blasted through superman twice without any effort. If he aimed at superman's head, he would've succeeded there too.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Sodam Yat's durability is suspect. I don't think Superman is less durable then him tbh.

Lol, I don't care if every Pre-Crisis Kryptonian turned into puppies on a whim, it has no bearing on Prime. It's just as nonsensical as you arguing he doesn't feed off of yellow Sunlight. 😬


It isn't. Not as Ion anyway.

Now you're ignoring their basic powerset? Desperation much?

Gotta agree. Prime can most likely kill Superman with his heat vision. He is a retard though and doesn't aim for vital spots.

I think it's dumb. Prime shouldn't so easily pierce Superman's body but heat vision can be weird when it comes to Kryptonians.

Originally posted by abhilegend
It isn't. Not as Ion anyway.

Now you're ignoring their basic powerset? Desperation much?

If you say so.

You want me to assume Conner's presence weakened Prime when not a single comic even suggests that, not even in theory. You reached your conclusion by extrapolating from what Pre-Crisis Kryptonians could do before CoIE. I think your stance is much more desperate tbh. And I think it's pretty clear that the entire nature of his power set is much more inline with Post Crisis Kryptonians.

Which is why your theory that he didn't feed on yellow Solar energy was also ridiculous.

All this argument about heat vision is pointless anyways. With these stips, it's going straight into Mjolnir.

Here superman's fear lowers his strength and durability

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Need anymore proofs that PC kryptonians fluctuated because of their mindsets?

I agree, but really...why shouldn't Prime's HV pierce Superman?

Abhil, no one is going to believe Conner's presence lowered Prime's power levels just because other Pre-Crisis Kryptonian's did it. It's asinine. Especially since their powers work differently.

Originally posted by Zack Fair
I agree, but really...why shouldn't Prime's HV pierce Superman?

Because it didn't kill weaker beings when hitting them point blank even aside from Yat. Makes Superman look shittier in comparison. Not really a fan of that.

I'm okay with it, but gotcha.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I think it's dumb. Prime shouldn't so easily pierce Superman's body but heat vision can be weird when it comes to Kryptonians.

If you say so.

You want me to assume Conner's presence weakened Prime when not a single comic even suggests that, not even in theory. You reached your conclusion by extrapolating from what Pre-Crisis Kryptonians could do before CoIE. I think your stance is much more desperate tbh. And I think it's pretty clear that the entire nature of his power set is much more inline with Post Crisis Kryptonians.

Which is why your theory that he didn't feed on yellow Solar energy was also ridiculous.


Its not.

Its true.

Just because it was before COIE, doesn't mean its not applicable to SBP who is a PC kryptonian through and through. Heck even normal Superman turned himself into a human for one year when he wanted it and gained his powers back when he wanted it again under Johns.

This is gonna be like the Zoom vs Surfer thread.

Will Prime be able to end Thor in an initial blitz that I believe he can produce at the start? If not, it will get ugly based on the stips. Tough fight either way. Don't see a stomp on any side.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Abhil, no one is going to believe Conner's presence lowered Prime's power levels just because other Pre-Crisis Kryptonian's did it. It's asinine. Especially since their powers work differently.

Then they are wrong. Their powers don't work differently. Its been specifically stated in DCP 87 and COIE.