Originally posted by ODG
These DIRECT comparisons came exactly in the same comics where Conner and Bart were giving him the business (3x over each) and he took an entire issue to beat down Ion Sodam Yat. So it sounds like you're just ignoring depictions that compromise this amazing team-buster whose supposed to be untouchable even by high heralds. Except if you take everything he's ever done, both the good and the bad, you'd see he isn't that untouchable.If Atom Smasher gave WWIII Black Adam the business 3x over throughout his team-busting rampage in World War III and 52, if Doc Sampson made WWH stutter and stumble 3x over throughout World War Hulk and World War Hulks, if B&T Thor had to spend an entire issue beating down Gamora in a 1v1 in Blood and Thunder... then I'd think considerably less of each of these team-busters. And that's only fair.
Somehow, Superboy Prime gets a pass. Even after he got definitively stomped on by the Teen Titans, despite being helped by a group of Superboy clones. Yeah, no. That's not how it works. The best of the high heralds can take down Trans, Skyfather and Abstract-level characters. These "shining hero" moments -- barring ridiculous plot device -- are basically the depictions of these characters that we're supposed to be paying attention to in these sorts of threads where CIP/CIS don't come into play on one side.
So basically, what I'm doing is taking everything these characters have done into account on both sides, rather than ignoring the parts I don't like out of convenience.
well, by your line of thinking then, nothing short of a celestial-level blast will ko thor. i'm well aware of everything, good and bad, prime has done and i know very well many of superman's high feats, and adam's high feats, etc..... i also know you're short-shifting the titans some as well, given some of their history and who they have beaten. prime isn't untouchable. heralders could give him trouble, make him work, but i don't see thor winning even 1 of these matches unless it's via bfr. you say i'm picking and choosing with prime, but you seem to be doing the same with thor and the others, because for every skyfather a herald beats, they have.....less-than feats as well. yet it's you who seem to be ignoring those less-than feats for the heralds. you seem to want to compare skyfather-beating heralds with prime who is beat up by titans. see, it's easy to claim ignorance out of convenience. that pendulum swings both ways, i'm afraid. you say you're being objective, i say i'm being objective. given their relative histories and what i believe the people at dc intended prime to be, and based on his showings against some of dc's toughest, i don't see a herald level guy beating him very often at all.
and before this devolves into something else, i'll let you get your last word in because as i said, you're not changing my mind, and i'm not changing yours.
