Originally posted by juggerman
It wasn't just about his speed. If i were Flash fast but lacked the strength needed to propel my legs forward away from the pull of the black hole it wouldn't matter that i was capable of the speed since i would still need the strength. If Kal wasn't strong enough to resist the pull himself he wouldn't have been able to keep his arms forward and hold Lois away from it. His arms would have just been pulled down at his sides and Lois would have been sucked up
It's a non-feat. Stop trying to make it out to be something which it clearly is not.
Originally posted by marwash22She did show pain when she turned around. Robtard posted screen caps showing her grimacing right before the camera changes to the missile's perspective.
let's also pretend that she hadn't recovered before the missile actually hit her... she had turned around and stood there for a few seconds, showing no signs of being hampered by the sensory overload, put her hand out to stop the missile, then got her ass KTFO. 👆
Originally posted by TheGodKiller
What kind of reasoning is that? For one, Flash isn't your typical, run of the mill superspeedster. He doesn't need superhuman levels of strength to generate the force necessary to achieve extremely high velocities. Kal was nowhere near the event horizon of the phantom wormhole. The event horizon is the literal point of no escape at which the gravitational attraction becomes so high that you need to be faster than light to escape it.It's a non-feat. Stop trying to make it out to be something which it clearly is [b]not
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It makes perfect sense. If he's not strong enough to lift and pull his body/legs away from the black hole it wouldn't matter that he was capable of such speed. Also if you'll notice i didn't say the Flash was running here. I said if "I were Flash fast" meaning if i could reach his top speeds. I would still need to have the strength to pull away from it tho which i could still lack.
And i didn't say he was at the event horizon but he clearly was being pulled in and resisted. Stop trying to nerf it just because you don't like it
Originally posted by Lestov16
What's to say Hancock couldn't withstand the same pressure, especially considering the black hole wasn't even powerful enough to suck up Lois Lane?
It didn't suck up Lois cuz Superman was holding her. And Hancock didn't withstand it so we can't just give him feats he doesn't have. Unless of course you'd like to give Kal Hancock's feats as well
Originally posted by juggerman
It makes perfect sense. If he's not strong enough to lift and pull his body/legs away from the black hole it wouldn't matter that he was capable of such speed. Also if you'll notice i didn't say the Flash was running here. I said if [b]"I were Flash fast" meaning if i could reach his top speeds. I would still need to have the strength to pull away from it tho which i could still lack.And i didn't say he was at the event horizon but he clearly was being pulled in and resisted. Stop trying to nerf it just because you don't like it [/B]
Which means that it's a non-feat. Resisting a wormhole's pull well beyond it's event horizon is not a feat which puts him above Hancock. Or any other strongmen superheroes like Thor and Hulk either.
Originally posted by Lestov16PIS.
What's to say Hancock couldn't withstand the same pressure, especially considering the black hole wasn't even powerful enough to suck up Lois Lane?
The hole was pulling every kryptonian and huge chunks of concrete. Lois wasn't sucked in because she is basically shielded by the plot.
Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Except you wouldn't. Do you seriously not understand the concept of escape velocity? Even comic books, for all their tendencies to rape physics now and again, have referenced escape velocity's necessity when having Superman go ftl to evade a black hole's pull.Which means that it's a non-feat. Resisting a wormhole's pull well beyond it's event horizon is not a feat which puts him above Hancock. Or any other strongmen superheroes like Thor and Hulk either.
I would since i could not reach escape velocity in this scenerio. This Superman couldn't go FTL so what comic books have referenced is moot seeing as how this isn't a comic book. It's about his strength not his speed which is where you're mixing it up i think
It really does but i see you'll just gimp so have at it
Originally posted by juggerman
I would since i could not reach escape velocity in this scenerio. This Superman couldn't go FTL so what comic books have referenced is moot seeing as how this isn't a comic book. It's about his strength not his speed which is where you're mixing it up i thinkIt really does but i see you'll just gimp so have at it
Non-feats don't put him beyond other movie super-strongmen like Thor and Hancock. That's just undeniable at this point.
Originally posted by TheGodKiller
How couldn't you possibly not reach escape velocity, seeing as you already have superfast mobility and haven't been sucked into the even horizon yet? I am pointing out how even comic books, with their periodic tendency to rape physics just for the sh1ts and giggles, have a better grasp of this concept than you do.Non-feats don't put him beyond other movie super-strongmen like Thor and Hancock. That's just undeniable at this point.
As i said, you still must have the strength to resist the pull regardless of speeds you can achieve normally. Let's for instance say i can run 50mph normally, does that now mean i can reach 50mph underwater as well? No because of the resistance the water causes as opposed to the air. Now as stated earlier even if under normal conditions i can reach the speed of light that does not mean i can reach that speed if i'm being pulled in the opposite direction by a force like a black hole. If i'm not strong enough to pull my legs/body away from the pull to move forward at all then i would not reach the speed needed to escape. It's quite simple
Good thing it's a feat then
Originally posted by juggermanYou use your muscles to run, what muscles does Supes use to fly?
As i said, you still must have the strength to resist the pull regardless of speeds you can achieve normally. Let's for instance say i can run 50mph normally, does that now mean i can reach 50mph underwater as well? No because of the resistance the water causes as opposed to the air. Now as stated earlier even if under normal conditions i can reach the speed of light that does not mean i can reach that speed if i'm being pulled in the opposite direction by a force like a black hole. If i'm not strong enough to pull my legs/body away from the pull to move forward at all then i would not reach the speed needed to escape. It's quite simpleGood thing it's a feat then
Originally posted by Zack Fair
Come on bro I can understand trying to tone down what might be an exaggeration from Super fans, but calling it a non-feat..Really?
Besides why are you guys even discussing it? Superman isn't in this fight.
I've been wondering the same thing. Last few pages have been about Superman's feats. Thread title is Hancock vs. Zod. ????
Originally posted by juggerman
As i said, you still must have the strength to resist the pull regardless of speeds you can achieve normally. Let's for instance say i can run 50mph normally, does that now mean i can reach 50mph underwater as well? No because of the resistance the water causes as opposed to the air. Now as stated earlier even if under normal conditions i can reach the speed of light that does not mean i can reach that speed if i'm being pulled in the opposite direction by a force like a black hole. If i'm not strong enough to pull my legs/body away from the pull to move forward at all then i would not reach the speed needed to escape. It's quite simpleGood thing it's a feat then
It's still a non-feat despite your backwards logic.
Also, Hancock wins. 🙂