Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Bunch of Superman haters. WHY CAN'T YOU SEE THE CLEAR CUT, NON DEBATABLE EVIDENCE!!!!
As far as DS goes, this goes to GALAN as well, DS died. Yes, he died. Why? BEcause Radion kills what? Gods? Nope, it kills ideas. You know, I mean that is what GM said himself. Wasn't it also stated by yours truly, Galan that DS and the other gods are ideas?
When Batman fired the guy, DS was dying, Superman sped the process. An awesome feat considering the fact that he was destroying the DCU even when...dying
The MM brought him back like it brought everyone back including all the villains. Did Superman wish for DS to be brought back specifically? Do you want on panel proof of that BS? Obviously, I can't provide it because it didn't happen. Like every good guy and bad, MM restored DC and most likely the IDEA of DS which is why he was able to get resurrected.
Now rage, I don't expect you to reply. What I do expect is for you to bend over and let Galan debate/proof me wrong/
Originally posted by xJLxKing
Actually, if you are going to act smart or play sarcasm right, at the very least try debating yourself 😉As far as DS goes, this goes to GALAN as well, DS died. Yes, he died. Why? BEcause Radion kills what? Gods? Nope, it kills ideas. You know, I mean that is what GM said himself. Wasn't it also stated by yours truly, Galan that DS and the other gods are ideas?
When Batman fired the guy, DS was dying, Superman sped the process. An awesome feat considering the fact that he was destroying the DCU even when...dying
The MM brought him back like it brought everyone back including all the villains. Did Superman wish for DS to be brought back specifically? Do you want on panel proof of that BS? Obviously, I can't provide it because it didn't happen. Like every good guy and bad, MM restored DC and most likely the IDEA of DS which is why he was able to get resurrected.
Now rage, I don't expect you to reply. What I do expect is for you to bend over and let Galan debate/proof me wrong/
Okay, I was actually not going to reply but I felt like clarifying a few points.
Most people agree that Darkseid died and was going to die very soon regardless of Superman's actions (At least I do). What I believe is in contention is the idea that Superman erased Darkseid from existence itself, which as far as I know has never actually been said on panel.
It was stated that Radion kills ideas? Makes sense, but could you post the scan please? Not really sure how that helps the case that Superman erased Darkseid from existence, hurts it more then anything. Especially since we know some form of the Omega energy survived.
I think comparing regular villains like Metallo to Darkseid, after the events of Final Crisis is frankly idiotic. I personally also doubt that the Miracle Machine brought Darkseid back as well. Mandrakk didn't return either. Most likely, he just returned because that's what comic characters do, especially Gods. Thor did it as well not too long ago and in that arc, Gods were metaphysical ideas, stories that can't really die and can only be forgotten.
Stop trying to elicit a response from me btw, it's a waste of time. If I get bored, I won't bother replying. If I'm still interested, I'll discuss the most miniscule detail for 40 pages straight.
I do believe Darkseid 'died' in the conventional sense. However, I'm fairly certain that his Omega energies have never acted independent from his person. That is to say: if Darkseid were truly eradicated from existence--if the very idea of him were truly erased--then the Omega energies he used against Bruce *should* have died/dispersed with him... But they clearly didn't.
Perhaps this is little more than a continuity error that writers simply overlooked. Perhaps a part of Darkseid still existed on some sort of obscure/conceptual level after Superman sang him away. Either way, you're not going to get me to buy-off on the opinion that Superman(be it willingly or unwillingly) resurrected the guy who nearly killed the multiverse moments beforehand. For what it's worth, Mandrakk also wasn't resurrected by Superman's wish for that very same reason.
Btw, the idea of a New God isn't erased when they die. Even the energies of Orion--who was shot in the head with a Radion bullet--just sublimated back to the Source after he died:
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16188214/1.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16188215/2.jpg.html
Energy cannot be destroyed it can only change forms, and all that...
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Okay, I was actually not going to reply but I felt like clarifying a few points.Most people agree that Darkseid died and was going to die very soon regardless of Superman's actions (At least I do). What I believe is in contention is the idea that Superman erased Darkseid from existence itself, which as far as I know has never actually been said on panel.
It was stated that Radion kills ideas? Makes sense, but could you post the scan please? Not really sure how that helps the case that Superman erased Darkseid from existence, hurts it more then anything. Especially since we know some form of the Omega energy survived.
I think comparing regular villains like Metallo to Darkseid, after the events of Final Crisis is frankly idiotic. I personally also doubt that the Miracle Machine brought Darkseid back as well. Mandrakk didn't return either. Most likely, he just returned because that's what comic characters do, especially Gods. Thor did it as well not too long ago and in that arc, Gods were metaphysical ideas, stories that can't really die and can only be forgotten.
Stop trying to elicit a response from me btw, it's a waste of time. If I get bored, I won't bother replying. If I'm still interested, I'll discuss the most miniscule detail for 40 pages straight.
Yes, it was stated that Radion kills bullets. GM said it in an interview. And in FC6, Radion kills New Gods, why? Because they are ideas! Put 2 and 2 together man. The radion was going to kill DS off anyways, but Superman did so first. HE destroyed whatever was left. That which was left whether it just voices or echoes as GM put it was still strong enough to keep pulling DCU down to oblivion...
Mandrakk is an idea as well. He doesn't die. He is ALWAYS there, as stated by Mandrakk himself..."here at the end of all stories". Mandakk is another idea, the death/end of comics.
Maybe I'm reading this on another level or whatever, but Superman uses the MM to wish for a HAPPY ending. This happy ending isn't the end of comics where Good has won over evil forever. No, it is a happy ending which is what it is. Does every happy ending mean the bad guy dies? NO!
S&&^, like I said, maybe we just reading on a different level.
Originally posted by Galan007
Superman destroyed Darkseid's true form by canceling it out with a counter-vibrational frequency.However, given that Darkseid was nearly dead at the time secondary to Bruce's Radion bullet, the feat is much less impressive than if Superman would've done the same thing to a 'healthy' Darkseid. Imo.
How's this any less impressive because Darkseid was dying? If you erased that same darkseid by say Ultimate Nullifier or Entropy, would it be less impressive because he was dying?
Originally posted by xJLxKing
Yes, it was stated that Radion kills bullets. GM said it in an interview. And in FC6, Radion kills New Gods, why? Because they are ideas! Put 2 and 2 together man. The radion was going to kill DS off anyways, but Superman did so first. HE destroyed whatever was left. That which was left whether it just voices or echoes as GM put it was still strong enough to keep pulling DCU down to oblivion...Mandrakk is an idea as well. He doesn't die. He is ALWAYS there, as stated by Mandrakk himself..."here at the end of all stories". Mandakk is another idea, the death/end of comics.
Maybe I'm reading this on another level or whatever, but Superman uses the MM to wish for a HAPPY ending. This happy ending isn't the end of comics where Good has won over evil forever. No, it is a happy ending which is what it is. Does every happy ending mean the bad guy dies? NO!
S&&^, like I said, maybe we just reading on a different level.
Radion kills bullets, what? More speculation but like I said, most agreed that Darkseid died. It's the other part that's just purely speculative ideas being passed off as facts.
The second Mandrakk was most definitely killed from what I remember.
What? Why would any happy ending include the guy who almost destroyed the Universe a few moments ago? I don't even know what you're saying now.
Anyways, this is going nowhere fast. When you find actual on panel evidence, text me or something. As of now, I'm tired of explaining to you guys why passing off your own speculative, interpretation that's open to be taken in different ways, as fact.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Considering Darkseid's true form was big enough to drag the whole multiverse, its hella impressive.How's this any less impressive because Darkseid was dying? If you erased that same darkseid by say Ultimate Nullifier or Entropy, would it be less impressive because he was dying?
We saw Darkseid's essence shatter, not exactly Multiversal.
Of course, why wouldn't it be? I'm so confused as to why you think that's a good point to make? And how is it even relevant?
Originally posted by abhilegendKilling a severely weakened and nearly dead character=/=killing a healthy character at the top of their game. Simple.
Considering Darkseid's true form was big enough to drag the whole multiverse, its hella impressive.How's this any less impressive because Darkseid was dying? If you erased that same darkseid by say Ultimate Nullifier or Entropy, would it be less impressive because he was dying?
Nullification and Entropy have nothing to do with Superman singing, so that part of you post is completely irrelevant.
