Superman Vs. Heralds Of Galactus

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Radion kills bullets, what? More speculation but like I said, most agreed that Darkseid died. It's the other part that's just purely speculative ideas being passed off as facts.

The second Mandrakk was most definitely killed from what I remember.

What? Why would any happy ending include the guy who almost destroyed the Universe a few moments ago? I don't even know what you're saying now.

Radio kills gods. As stated on panel, you know it does, need I post a dang screen shot. Gods are ideas? Galan posted that

So Radion kills gods. Here is the interview http://www.newsarama.com/2117-grant-morrison-final-crisis-exit-interview-part-2.html

Superman also wishes for a happy ending. Who are you to judge what a happy ending is? Some people consider happy ending when all bad guys dies; others when the good guy gets the girl and walks off into the sunset

Yes, Mandrak died, the ACTUALY FORM/PHSYCIAL. THE IDEA DIDN'T

About your other post. I don't think ANYONE is arguing that the feat is multiverse. That is just stupid. And I this point it's getting quite hard to rememebr what i was even trying to proof.

Yes, your reading comprehension is just that much better than everyone elses.

Originally posted by Galan007
Btw, the idea of a New God isn't erased when they die. Even the energies of Orion--who was shot in the head with a Radion bullet--just sublimated back to the Source after he died:
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16188214/1.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16188215/2.jpg.html

Energy cannot be destroyed it can only change forms, and all that...

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
That wasn't said anywhere. I swear you're just making this stuff up now.

I'm just trying to look out for you, tired of you embarrassing yourself young Padawan.

His death? And let's assume that wasn't a visual representation of his dying godly form.

Again, we've all read the scan. Superman created counter vibrations for Darkseid's dying form. No one is denying that as that's what's on panel. It's the other shit that you need evidence for.

Yes, clearly it's just me not having a brain instead of you jumping to conclusions without any actual evidence.

Then you're failing spectacularly as usual.

Why would we assume something which was never even implied? Vibrations+counter-vibrations=Cancellation not death as explained on panel.

He also explained what that counter-vibration would do it for his true form.

I've given you all the proofs you need. Not that it matters to you.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
Sorry that was a typo

Radio kills gods. As stated on panel, you know it does, need I post a dang screen shot. Gods are ideas? Galan posted that

So Radion kills gods. Here is the interview http://www.newsarama.com/2117-grant-morrison-final-crisis-exit-interview-part-2.html

Superman also wishes for a happy ending. Who are you to judge what a happy ending is? Some people consider happy ending when all bad guys dies; others when the good guy gets the girl and walks off into the sunset

Yes, Mandrak died, the ACTUALY FORM/PHSYCIAL. THE IDEA DIDN'T

About your other post. I don't think ANYONE is arguing that the feat is multiverse. That is just stupid. And I this point it's getting quite hard to rememebr what i was even trying to proof.
Not better, just different

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Radion kills bullets, what? More speculation but like I said, most agreed that Darkseid died. It's the other part that's just purely speculative ideas being passed off as facts.

The second Mandrakk was most definitely killed from what I remember.

What? Why would any happy ending include the guy who almost destroyed the Universe a few moments ago? I don't even know what you're saying now.

Anyways, this is going nowhere fast. When you find actual on panel evidence, text me or something. As of now, I'm tired of explaining to you guys why passing off your own speculative, interpretation that's open to be taken in different ways, as fact.

Nothing's changed.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Like all the new gods you mean shown on panel?

Then you're failing spectacularly as usual.

Why would we assume something which was never even implied? Vibrations+counter-vibrations=Cancellation not death as explained on panel.

He also explained what that counter-vibration would do it for his true form.

I've given you all the proofs you need. Not that it matters to you.

Just imagine that this post is me rewording all my previous points into a new post. Because that's all this is now.

Either provide evidence, or stop posting opinion as fact. When you say conclusively that Superman sang Darkseid out of existence, be prepared to post a scan that says that when called on it instead of acting all outraged that someone dared asked for evidence.

Originally posted by Galan007
If the literal idea of New God were erased upon their death, then the energies that composed their being would cease to exist entirely... Said energies wouldn't just travel back to the Source.

It doesn't change the fact that the idea that was DS died.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Nothing's changed.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
That is okay with me! I agree with that and never have I argued that.

It doesn't change the fact that the idea that was DS died.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
Take your time to read what I said 😉

- Darkseid was dying.
- Superman finished the job.
- Post evidence that Superman sang Darkseid out of existence.
- I doubt Superman revived Darkseid with the Miracle Machine.

You've provided literally nothing new to change the previous discussion.

Morrison
He winged Turpin knowing that the Radion in the bullet would be enough to poison Darkseid’s divine essence. Radion only kills gods after all. It slays ideas. After that shot, Darkseid is dying, just as someone with radiation poisoning might slowly expire, as Superman explains in #7. The Black Racer drags him struggling away into oblivion over the course of that issue until nothing remains but the fading, ghost-echoes of his malice.

Well that explains a lot... 😂

Seems we were all wrong. Supes didn't kill Seid nor did he erase him from existence, just destroyed his echoes.

Originally posted by Galan007
So Darkseid's 'death' was different than Orion's? Lol, okie dokie...

If the "idea" was to go back to the Source Wall in a different form, okay!

@ ares His malice/echoes as I said before was still strong enough to destroy DCU

😂

I didn't even bother clicking the link, silly me.

"He winged Turpin knowing that the Radion in the bullet would be enough to poison Darkseid’s divine essence. Radion only kills gods after all. It slays ideas. After that shot, Darkseid is dying, just as someone with radiation poisoning might slowly expire, as Superman explains in #7. The Black Racer drags him struggling away into oblivion over the course of that issue until nothing remains but the fading, ghost-echoes of his malice."

Makes sense, and very informative. 🙂

Talk about a feat being blown out of proportion.

Is it just me or has Abhil done far more harm to Superman's rep with his posts then any Thor/Hulk fanboy ever has?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
- Darkseid was dying.
- Superman finished the job.
- Post evidence that Superman sang Darkseid out of existence.
- I doubt Superman revived Darkseid with the Miracle Machine.

You've provided literally nothing new to change the previous discussion.

Originally posted by ares834
Well that explains a lot... 😂

Seems we were all wrong. Supes didn't kill Seid nor did he erase him from existence, just destroyed his echoes.

Edit: Though it doesn't make sense when you consider Supes dialogue implies Seid is still alive.

Well, it's a great thing that that was brought up in favor of Superman erasing him from existence/the MM bringing Darkseid back to life...

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
We saw Darkseid's essence shatter, not exactly Multiversal.

Of course, why wouldn't it be? I'm so confused as to why you think that's a good point to make? And how is it even relevant?

Erasing someone isn't killing someone.

Originally posted by Galan007
Killing a severely weakened and nearly dead character=/=killing a healthy character at the top of their game. Simple.

Nullification and Entropy have nothing to do with Superman singing, so that part of you post is completely irrelevant.

Of course it does. He did the same thing, erase something from existence.

Originally posted by abhilegend
You mean the same essence which was dragging the whole multiverse behind him. Of course since we didn't saw a panel big enough to encompass the whole multiverse, it wasn't multiversal, right?

Erasing someone isn't killing someone.

This is all moot as what Superman faced was the "fading echoes of his malice". Which explains why it was so small.

Where does it even say Superman erased Darkseid?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Screw you guys, I'm going to bed.

Poor lil guy.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
They both died at the end. Orion was shot critically, but DS was poisoned. His idea took time to die, Superman sped the process.

If the "idea" was to go back to the Source Wall in a different form, okay!

@ ares His malice/echoes as I said before was still strong enough to destroy DCU

If the idea of a New God were truly erased upon their death, then no other character would be able to remember them. Why? Because the idea of that character would no longer exist-- they would be erased as perfectly as something can be erased. However, we know the idea of the New Gods is NOT erased when they die(even from Radion.) We know their energy merely sublimates back to the Source:
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16188214/1.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16188215/2.jpg.html
A New God's energy dispersing/defusing back to the Source when they die=/=the literal idea of them dying.

THIS is what happens when the idea of a character is actually erased...

Mandrakk falls into the Overvoid. He is erased from existence to such an extent that the very idea of him is lost. Before the scene is even over, Superman already starts to forget about him:
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16188253/FC_SM_Beyond_02_Page_025.jpg.html

Originally posted by abhilegend
Superman didn't kill Darkseid, he was erased from existence as per his statements and Monitors. He wasn't simply killed.

Of course it does. He did the same thing, erase something from existence.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
😂

I didn't even bother clicking the link, silly me.

"He winged Turpin knowing that the Radion in the bullet would be enough to poison Darkseid’s divine essence. Radion only kills gods after all. It slays ideas. After that shot, Darkseid is dying, just as someone with radiation poisoning might slowly expire, as Superman explains in #7. The Black Racer drags him struggling away into oblivion over the course of that issue until nothing remains but the fading, ghost-echoes of his malice."

Makes sense, and very informative. 🙂

Talk about a feat being blown out of proportion.

Is it just me or has Abhil done far more harm to Superman's rep with his posts then any Thor/Hulk fanboy ever has?

Wow ABHI. You have literally destroyed all of Superman fts.

I like that Marvel introduced the concept that Gods are metaphysical beings that cannot truly die unless they're forgotten and are just ever-evolving stories. Obviously fodder Gods are still fodder.