Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusHe wouldn't have survived either way. In FC #7, Superman noted that Darkseid was "in the final stages of Radion poisoning." His death was inevitable-- Superman just sped it up a bit.
That being said, I'm of the personal opinion that Darkseid died, he was shot with Radion which is fatal to New Gods, I don't see how Darkseid could survive that even if Superman hadn't done anything.
Tbh, the only reason Supes 'needed' to sing Darkseid away, is because he was standing(figuratively) in between Supes and the Miracle Machine. He was going to die regardless, though.
Originally posted by carver9Here you go Carver.
Pretty much. I don't even see how this ft can be used since no one here is near death and as vulnerable as darkseid was. By the way, Rage is owning like usual.
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Superman/FC6-27.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Superman/FC6-28.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Superman/FC07-013.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Superman/FC07-014.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Superman/FC07-023.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Superman/FC07-024.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Superman/FC07-025.jpg
"A rotten carcass of a God, crawling into the sewer to die"
Still impressive. But I really don't see its applications in a fight.
Originally posted by Galan007
He wouldn't have survived either way. In FC #7, Superman noted that Darkseid was "in the final stages of Radion poisoning." His death was inevitable-- Superman just sped it up a bit.Tbh, the only reason Supes 'needed' to sing Darkseid away, is because he was standing(figuratively) in between Supes and the Miracle Machine. He was going to die regardless, though.
True. However, I think saying saying Superman killed Darkseid is selling it short. He didn't destroy Seid's body but his essence/soul. Frankly that seems like Superman erased Seid from existence just as Ahbi said.
Originally posted by Galan007
He wouldn't have survived either way. In FC #7, Superman noted that Darkseid was "in the final stages of Radion poisoning." His death was inevitable-- Superman just sped it up a bit.Tbh, the only reason Supes 'needed' to sing Darkseid away, is because he was standing(figuratively) in between Supes and the Miracle Machine. He was going to die regardless, though.
Yeah, that's what I said lol. Superman finished Darkseid off but he was going to die anyways.
He was fatally wounded from his war in heaven IIRC, was subjected to his own Omega Beams, the Black Racer, and was in the final stages of Radion poisoning. Impressive feat, but it would be infinitely more impressive if it had been a healthy Darkseid imo.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusTo be fair, that scan could be in reference to Darkseid's fall from the 4th World into mainstream DC-- not his 'death' at the hands of Superman. Remember, it was this 'fall' that was responsible for, essentially, flushing the multiverse down the cosmic toilet.
Abhil posted this:
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16184462/darkseidexistence.jpg.htmlHow does that support Darkseid being erased by Superman? Hell, Doom doesn't even necessarily mean Death in the first place. Especially since Darkseid apparently returned in a lesser form.
I see a lot of speculation being made. Speculation is fine, but you guys are passing them off as facts, as if there's no room left for different interpretations.
This was originally hinted at when we saw Darkseid's initial 'fall' from the 4th World...
"I'm the only one who can see the shadow. This gigantic shadow cast across the entire multiverse. Falling over everything.":
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16187744/1.jpg.html
"Darkseid's falling, dragging the whole universe down as he goes. The entire structure of existence! The whole multiverse, Wally!":
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16187746/3.jpg.html
"Like I said--entire multiverse--avalanching into oblivion.":
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16187847/8.jpg.html
We actually saw this illustrated a number of times:
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16187795/4.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16187797/5.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16187846/7.jpg.html
The reason that Darkseid was 'dragging the multiverse down with him' is because "there is a black hole where his heart should be.":
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16187799/6.jpg.html
(this could explain the "black hole at the base of creation" statement in the scan you posted.)
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus👆
Yeah, that's what I said lol. Superman finished Darkseid off but he was going to die anyways.He was fatally wounded from his war in heaven IIRC, was subjected to his own Omega Beams, the Black Racer, and was in the final stages of Radion poisoning. Impressive feat, but it would be infinitely more impressive if it had been a healthy Darkseid imo.
He was "wounded beyond repair" in his battle with Orion(this was likely from Orion ripping his heart out), he was in the final stages of Radion poisoning, and he'd been struck with his own Omega Sanction. The guy was bordering on death when Supes sang him away. Completely unarguable.
Originally posted by Galan007
To be fair, that scan could be in reference to Darkseid's fall from the 4th World into mainstream DC-- not his 'death' at the hands of Superman. Remember, it was this 'fall' that was responsible for, essentially, flushing the multiverse down the cosmic toilet.This was originally hinted at when we saw Darkseid's initial 'fall' from the 4th World...
"I'm the only one who can see the shadow. This gigantic shadow cast across the entire multiverse. Falling over everything.":
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16187744/1.jpg.html"Darkseid's falling, dragging the whole universe down as he goes. The entire structure of existence! The whole multiverse, Wally!":
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16187746/3.jpg.html"Like I said--entire multiverse--avalanching into oblivion.":
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16187847/8.jpg.htmlWe actually saw this illustrated a number of times:
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16187795/4.jpg.htmlhttp://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16187797/5.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16187846/7.jpg.html
The reason that Darkseid was 'dragging the multiverse down with him' is because "there is a black hole where his heart should be.":
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16187799/6.jpg.html
(this could explain the "black hole at the base of creation" statement in the scan you posted.)
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Yup, that's another possible, even likely interpretation as Darkseid's "fall" from Heaven was a big plot point in Final Crisis. I was just trying to be kind to Abhil.
So apparently while I was working, people have come to agreement that DS was killed by Superman? I guess it's okay to agree as long as the feat is bad?
@ Galan if it was just the initial fall that was destroying DCu then why didn't the fall of Orion have similar effect? DS was dragging the Universe down using his own powers and by force.
As far as a dying DS being killed by Superman. It's a mighty fine feat. It wasn't possible to kill DS before for many reasons. Yes he was dying, but even in that condition, he was destroying DCU. If he had done it on a healthy DS and killed him, that feat alone would be on cosmic level
Well the thing is ,Superman pretty much said that the entire universe was one now, singing together like a orchestra. DS appeared to Superman (He never did before in FC) trying to destroy his last hope. The "dying DS" wasn't as useless as you think considering the fact that he was still dragging the universe and was planing on using the MM
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Here you go Carver.http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Superman/FC6-27.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Superman/FC6-28.jpghttp://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Superman/FC07-013.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Superman/FC07-014.jpghttp://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Superman/FC07-023.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Superman/FC07-024.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Superman/FC07-025.jpg"A rotten carcass of a God, crawling into the sewer to die"
Still impressive. But I really don't see its applications in a fight.
This pretty much clears it up for me. Good scans Bran.
Aww, I missed a lot of shenanigans while I was at work.
Anyway, I agree with Galan and Rage here. Darkseid was close to death and Superman just finished him off. The "completion" of his death was impressive, but Darkseid wasn't anywhere close to being at his best. I believe Superman effectively eradicated his physical form, but seeing as the New Gods are metaphysical concepts and how Darkseid, imho, was going to return through Dr. Hurt, I don't believe Superman actually nullified him from existence.
