Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
This is all moot as what Superman faced was the "fading echoes of his malice". Which explains why it was so small.Where does it even say Superman erased Darkseid?
You mean vibrations+counter-vibrations=cancellation and "felled through existence" isn't enough for you?
Originally posted by Galan007
Heh, I don't think you understand what it means for the idea of a character to die. You think you understand, but you obviously don't.If the idea of a New God were truly erased upon their death, then no other character would be able to remember them. Why? Because the idea of that character would no longer exist-- they would be erased as perfectly as something can be erased. However, we know the idea of the New Gods is NOT erased when they die(even from Radion.) We know their energy merely sublimates back to the Source:
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16188214/1.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16188215/2.jpg.html
A New God's energy dispersing/defusing back to the Source when they die=/=the literal idea of them dying.THIS is what happens when the idea of a character is actually erased...
Mandrakk falls into the Overvoid. He is erased from existence to such an extent that the very idea of him is lost. Before the scene is even over, Superman already starts to forget about him:
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16188253/FC_SM_Beyond_02_Page_025.jpg.htmlThen how were his Omega energies still fully functional?
Oh really? Then tell me Galan, how did Ogama remembered Mandrakk?
Not to mention Darkseid wasn't engulfed by overvoid either.
I don't know. Omega beams are not truly dependent on Darkseid. He just accesses them from Omega realm as a conduit.
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
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Originally posted by Branlor Swift
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The girl at 0:30 looks like some chick I had sex with. She has the same name too...
Originally posted by Zack Fair
There is a omega realm?Da Fuq.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
LOL @ the Smallville vid.But yeah, it's pretty obvious, or should be, that Darkseid was "killed" and stayed "dead" by a Superman who merely finished him off and sped up what was going to happen anyway.
I underestimated just how bad of a shape the House of El was in. mmm
Quit already false superfan.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Only if you ignore every proof that Darkseid was erased from existence. How the hell Counter vibrations "speeded" up darkseid's death anyway? Where did that idea come from? Its neither in the comic and neither does it makes any sense? I mean WTF?Quit already false superfan.
Darkseid was already dying. Superman's "song" just killed him outright. Cool feat, but honestly, you're making it sound like Superman absolutely destroyed Darkseid without any other factors or context involved. And if Darkseid was truly and totally erased from existence, the Omega Sanction wouldn't be trolling Batman specifically on Darkseid's behalf nor attempting to use Dr. Hurt as a vessel to be reborn. I can agree that Superman destroyed Darkseid's physical/energy from - which was already dying - but no, I don't buy that Darkseid was completely and irrevocably erased from existence. Not based off of comics.
Quit what?
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Darkseid was already dying. Superman's "song" just killed him outright. Cool feat, but honestly, you're making it sound like Superman absolutely destroyed Darkseid without any other factors or context involved. And if Darkseid was truly and totally erased from existence, the Omega Sanction wouldn't be trolling Batman specifically on Darkseid's behalf nor attempting to use Dr. Hurt as a vessel to be reborn. I can agree that Superman destroyed Darkseid's physical/energy from - which was already dying - but no, I don't buy that Darkseid was completely and irrevocably erased from existence. Not based off of comics.Quit what?
Just like Mandrakk being erased from existence stopped his blood from transforming Ogama and Ultraman, right? That only means that either Darkseid resurrected himself from non-existence or Miracle Machine brought him back like all the other new gods. Using that to prove that Darkseid wasn't erased from existence is pure ignoring of evidence as stated by Superman and Monitors. You can think whatever you want, means little.
Pretending to being a superman fan.
Originally posted by abhilegend
He didn't kill darkseid. He erased him from existence. Erasing someone from existence has nothing to do with the physical state of the being erased.Just like Mandrakk being erased from existence stopped his blood from transforming Ogama and Ultraman, right? That only means that either Darkseid resurrected himself from non-existence or Miracle Machine brought him back like all the other new gods. Using that to prove that Darkseid wasn't erased from existence is pure ignoring of evidence as stated by Superman and Monitors. You can think whatever you want, means little.
Pretending to being a superman fan.
Darkseid was dying. Superman shattered him via counter vibrations. Ergo, he sped up Darkseid's inevitable death. He didn't "ultimate nullify" him or anything.
Another strawman? Darkseid resurrecting himself from non-existence would mean that Darkseid...well, exists. It's pretty obvious that Darkseid was definitely not in a state remotely close to living as you or I would refer to it, but there was still a trace of him in reality. Return of Bruce Wayne shows us that pretty convincingly.
So because I don't incessantly troll/bait/flame on Superman's behalf, I'm not a fan?
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Darkseid was dying. Superman shattered him via counter vibrations. Ergo, he sped up Darkseid's inevitable death. He didn't "ultimate nullify" him or anything.Another strawman? Darkseid resurrecting himself from non-existence would mean that Darkseid...well, exists. It's pretty obvious that Darkseid was definitely not in a state remotely close to living as you or I would refer to it, but there was still a trace of him in reality. Return of Bruce Wayne shows us that pretty convincingly.
So because I don't incessantly troll/bait/flame on Superman's behalf, I'm not a fan?
Not a strawman. You are basing your argument upon two things, omega beams continuing to harass batman and Darkseid resurrecting himself through Dr. Hurt. Mandrakk was erased from existence too and even then his blood transformed Ogama and Ultraman, so powers of beings being erased from existence can be still in operation. There goes your first argument. Also we saw on panel that Miracle Machine brought every new God back in existence. There goes your second argument. Anything else?
No, you're not a superman fan because you're not a superman fan. Not because you don't argue on behalf of superman. Simple.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Even that Darkseid was dragging the multiverse behind him. That's how superman and the universe ended up in Mandrakk's realm.You mean vibrations+counter-vibrations=cancellation and "felled through existence" isn't enough for you?
At that point he was only a reduced fading echo, I'll have to double check the Multiverse thing. Superman beat the ghost of a fatally injured and dying God.
The Monitor's were describing his fall from heaven, it had nothing to do with Superman as Galan helpfully pointed out.
Counter vibrations = Erased from existence?
Originally posted by abhilegend
How does cancelling his vibrations and making him "fall through existence" to his doom speeded up his dying exactly?Not a strawman. You are basing your argument upon two things, omega beams continuing to harass batman and Darkseid resurrecting himself through Dr. Hurt. Mandrakk was erased from existence too and even then his blood transformed Ogama and Ultraman, so powers of beings being erased from existence can be still in operation. There goes your first argument. Also we saw on panel that Miracle Machine brought every new God back in existence. There goes your second argument. Anything else?
No, you're not a superman fan because you're not a superman fan. Not because you don't argue on behalf of superman. Simple.
Did you miss the part where he got shot with Radion? Darkseid was weak and in the process of dying. Superman just said "phuck it" and forcibly ended what was left of his life. Again, good feat for Superman, but you're making it out to be more than what it is.
No, it's definitely a strawman argument, as usual, complete with projection. And if a being is totally erased from existence, all aspects of that being go with them...seeing as they don't exist.
I am a Superman fan, actually. He doesn't have to be my favorite character ever for me to respect him and enjoy and actually purchase his comics, surprisingly. baka
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Did you miss the part where he got shot with Radion? Darkseid was weak and in the process of dying. Superman just said "phuck it" and forcibly ended what was left of his life. Again, good feat for Superman, but you're making it out to be more than what it is.No, it's definitely a strawman argument, as usual, complete with projection. And if a being is totally erased from existence, all aspects of that being go with them...seeing as they don't exist.
I am a Superman fan, actually. He doesn't have to be my favorite character ever for me to respect him and enjoy and actually purchase his comics, surprisingly. baka
Where was it stated that superman killed him by counter-vibrations? You are forcing your opinion against on panel proof that clearly proves that Darkseid was erased from existence. Killed new gods go back to source wall like Orion did, not "fall through existence".
Prove its a strawman argument then. You must have lots of evidences to prove it, don't you? Seriously? Mandrakk was on panel erased from existence to the point that even his idea was lost yet his blood was still able to change Ogama and Ultraman. Now you're flat out ignoring on panel proofs.
Let it rest jake. Nobody believes you as a superman fan.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
At that point he was only a reduced fading echo, I'll have to double check the Multiverse thing. Superman beat the ghost of a fatally injured and dying God.The Monitor's were describing his fall from heaven, it had nothing to do with Superman as Galan helpfully pointed out.
Counter vibrations = Erased from existence?
After superman erased him from existence. That was the last attack on darkseid.
Yes.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Which was killing him, of course I got that. How does that means anything in erasing him? Does dying reduces someone's size?Where was it stated that superman killed him by counter-vibrations? You are forcing your opinion against on panel proof that clearly proves that Darkseid was erased from existence. Killed new gods go back to source wall like Orion did, not "fall through existence".
Prove its a strawman argument then. You must have lots of evidences to prove it, don't you? Seriously? Mandrakk was on panel erased from existence to the point that even his idea was lost yet his blood was still able to change Ogama and Ultraman. Now you're flat out ignoring on panel proofs.
Let it rest jake. Nobody believes you as a superman fan.
It means that Superman succeeding in killing a being who was close to death as most of the work was done for him. It certainly doesn't mean that Superman just sang Darkseid out of existence.
I'm not forcing my opinion on anything. It's based on actual comics.
I'm not ignoring anything. The proof in your latest strawman argument can be found a few posts before this one.
"Nobody" believes me as a Superman fan? I guarantee you're wrong on that front, but of course, you'll pull the "majority consensus means nothing" card and go back to being the KMC victim. Lol @ you believing that you have some kind of credibility to dictate who's a "fan" and who's not.
