Originally posted by Galan007Combined with monitors' explanation? Not possible. We on panel saw darkseid's essence shattered by superman after which Monitors explained that "he felled through existence" itself. Though I laugh at your red herring that Darkseid was already falling outside existence.
You're dodging the question. Again: post the scan in which it is explicitly stated that Darkseid was "erased from existence." Superman's line about "canceling out" Darkseid's vibrational frequency is an ambiguous phrase that can be taken a few ways.
If you fail to provide this evidence in your subsequent post, I will take it as your concession that no such evidence exists.If you failed to provide a proof that "falling through existence" after being outright cancelled as explained by superman is something other than erasing from existence as you claimed before in your next post, I will take it as your concession that no such evidence exists.
You're dodging this question as well. Again: scans of Ogama drinking some sort of physical juice(?) after Mandrakk was killed? Scans depicting this alleged cup at all? Scans that disprove the notion that Ogama's line was purely figurative/meta-physical?Complete deflection as usual. You said that Ogama was transformed before Mandrakk was erased. When I proved that flase, you're ignoring on panel evidence now? We on panel saw both Ogama and Ultraman transforming by Mandrakk's blood as stated by Ogama himself. I can't believe this is being discussed at all. Good red herring though.👆
If you fail to provide this evidence in your subsequent post, I will take it as your concession that no such evidence exists.If you failed to provide the proof that Ogama was transformed before Mandrakk was erased as you claimed and thus nobody remembers Mandrakk, I will take it as your concession that no such evidence exists.
Lol, you're trying to avoid the question(s) by posting irrelevant crap that doesn't pertain to anything asked. That literally defines a red herring. The next portion of your post is a perfect example...Not really.
Cool. Good thing the original question was centered around Darkseid, not Superman-- and Darkseid's memory was still fully intact whilst he was imprisoned on the Wall:I didn't brought up anything from Superman/Batman arc, did I? How does that disproves a dead Darkseid animating a statue with his powers from the source wall is beyond me. Good red herring.
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16192017/2.jpg.html
If anything, the scan you posted simply proves that Darkseid's mind/senses>>Superman's. Good job. 👆Haha.
See what you tried to do there? That is a red herring.Irony abounds.
It doesn't work on me, though-- I don't feed the fish. 🙂Likewise.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I'll wait for Galan to confirm this as I don't trust your word unfortunately.Iyo maybe, it was pretty clearly referring to the fall. Not to mention it said doom, not erased from existence.
Then prove it.
Falling through existence after being erased from existence.
Already proved it several times.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus😂
Thanks. I just automatically assume anything he says is a lie at this point.We should just all put him on ignore for like a week, let him and h1 drive each other to the rope. Is it mean that I want to watch the slow kids fight?
No one believes him about anything anymore.
Wow. You clearly have no clue what you're trying to say at this point. You dodged, deflected and red herringed everything I said. Literally, everything. You're also throwing out those terms like you know what they mean, when your above post makes it clear that you do not.
So yeah, not wasting my time with you any further. This isn't going anywhere.
Originally posted by abhilegend
No shit bro.Falling through existence after being erased from existence.
Already proved it several times.
He fell through existence after being erased through existence? Did that sentence actually make sense in your head?
Nope.
Anyways, Superman stops at Stardust. He destroyed a weak, fading echo of Darkseid's malice, hardly evidence that he can kill a herald like Stardust.
Originally posted by Galan007👆
Wow. You clearly have no clue what you're trying to say at this point. You dodged, deflected and red herringed everything I said. Literally, everything. You're also throwing out those terms like you know what they mean, when your above post makes it clear that you do not.So yeah, not wasting my time with you any further. This isn't going anywhere.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusSuch a basic concept that I don't think he grasps(his hatred is blinding him)...
He fell through existence after being erased through existence? Did that sentence actually make sense in your head?
If Darkseid was really erased from existence by Superman, then how in the hell was he still able to fall through existence? If you're erased, you're erased.
That's why it's clear to me that the Nix Uotan's statement here:
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16193391/Untitled.jpg.html
Is obviously in reference to Darkseid's initial fall from the 4th World into mainstream DC. The scan even says that he left hell(Apokolips) deserted when he fell. 2+2=?
Originally posted by xJLxKingDS wasn't destroying the DCU with his power.. he was destroying it because he was falling to a place he didn't belong... balance was being destroyed as he was a needed element. Mind you.. he was even falling because a rip in space and time that he didn't even cause to happen. Stop acting like DS was some crazy powerful being destroying the DCU with the wave of his hand. He literally was using none of his power to do so and literally most of what happened wasn't even his plan or his power do so.
it's true that the MM is a thought machine, but it doesn't work the way you think it does. The same way the Rings need to be channeled so does the MM. After all, it is designed after the green Lantern rings. Further more, if you think it works just by thought, shouldn't DS have used it too, or Mandrakk?Despite what a few would try to do, the feat is all Superman. He was able to counter vibrate DS out of existence. The same DS who within days was destroying Dcu, collapsing time, just by dying. The radion bullet killed and destroyed his host but DS was still alive. He was able to destroy everything but that little space Superman had left. To try and lowball such a great feat is laughable and just plain arrogant. This is why is forum itself is just becoming worse. You got fans and people who just try to have this mindset that they are only right.
guessing people will try to downplay Mandrakk because he got killed by Lantern based attack... Oh wait
Originally posted by xJLxKing
So apparently while I was working, people have come to agreement that DS was killed by Superman? I guess it's okay to agree as long as the feat is bad?@ Galan if it was just the initial fall that was destroying DCu then why didn't the fall of Orion have similar effect? DS was dragging the Universe down using his own powers and by force.
As far as a dying DS being killed by Superman. It's a mighty fine feat. It wasn't possible to kill DS before for many reasons. Yes he was dying, but even in that condition, he was destroying DCU. If he had done it on a healthy DS and killed him, that feat alone would be on cosmic level
What use of HIS power was he using.. please show this use of powers and force to destroy the DCU?
further it was stated alread that hiim signing ISN'T a course of action here. Using a feat he's down twice isn't them fighting in character.
Originally posted by ODG
???That singing feat was all Superman. The Miracle Machine had nothing to do with it.
The Miracle Machine wasn't even functional at that point. After Superman sang his notes, the subsequent absolute silence allowed Superman to pick up on the trace of Element X in Metron's chair and with it, he finally completed the Miracle Machine schematics. Even after that, he still had to expend the last of his solar reserves to power the thing before activating his wish.
I totally forgot about that. Thanks.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Yeah, its where Omega beams comes from. Its from Jack Kirby himself. The omega powers were destined for Drax, Uxas i.e. Darkseid's brother but Darkseid killed Drax and claimed omega powers for himself. It was again referenced in Superman/Batman: Torment arc where Darkseid lost omega powers due to imprisonment in source wall.
I have to pull out some comics but I recall that the the Omega Effect was destined (prophesied) for DarkSeid. It was a power all the rulers apokolips yearned for. Drax was older than DS and was in line for the throne and like the rulers before him was going to try to get the OE, doesn't mean that he was going to get it or it was destined for him. Because the only being who could get it was the one who got it and was destined for him. As was his (drax) right, he made the attempt to get the OE but so did Darkseid using treachery and It was DS who gained it for himself.
IMO the OE belongs to DS.
Just my 2cents.
Originally posted by Galan007
Given that the entirety of Darkseid's essence appeared to be contained in the same room that Superman was in, I think it's safe to say that he was not the size of the entire multiverse:
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16193054/FC07-024.jpg.html
It's also clear that Superman's 'song' was a very short-lived/intense burst of counter-vibrational energy. It certainly didn't appear vast enough to stretch across the entire multiverse. srsly
Except, GM said that that isn't the entirety of DS, it's just the echoes of him.
Still I'm not saying he is the size of the universe or anything.
Originally posted by Galan007
Wow. You clearly have no clue what you're trying to say at this point. You dodged, deflected and red herringed everything I said. Literally, everything. You're also throwing out those terms like you know what they mean, when your above post makes it clear that you do not.So yeah, not wasting my time with you any further. This isn't going anywhere.
Originally posted by Galan007
Such a basic concept that I don't think he grasps(his hatred is blinding him)...If Darkseid was really erased from existence by Superman, then how in the hell was he still able to fall through existence? If you're erased, you're erased.
That's why it's clear to me that the Nix Uotan's statement here:
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16193391/Untitled.jpg.html
Is obviously in reference to Darkseid's initial fall from the 4th World into mainstream DC. The scan even says that he left hell(Apokolips) deserted when he fell. 2+2=?
Did you forgot what Darkseid said to DCU when he first appeared?
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
He fell through existence after being erased through existence? Did that sentence actually make sense in your head?Nope.
Anyways, Superman stops at Stardust. He destroyed a weak, fading echo of Darkseid's malice, hardly evidence that he can kill a herald like Stardust.
Yes.
He only erased a being who was large enough to drag the whole multiverse behind me, fading echo or whatnot be damned. That's so far above Stardust, it isn't even funny. Your hatred is blinding you.
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Originally posted by abhilegend😘
Good red herring bro. Concession accepted.
Hatred for what exactly? You?Did you forgot what Darkseid said to DCU when he first appeared?
Its grant morrison, of course it makes total sense.Yes.
He only erased a being who was large enough to drag the whole multiverse behind me, fading echo or whatnot be damned. That's so far above Stardust, it isn't even funny. Your hatred is blinding you.
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