HOTM Hulk VS Superboy Prime

Originally posted by NemeBro
He happens to have actually on-panel gotten the upper hand against Superboy Prime.

Superman has never managed something like that. Ever. The closest he came was when he grabbed Prime from behind and tried to redeem him. He promptly had heat vision shot through his hand for his troubles.

Which isn't outlandish considering high heralds can do the same to skyfathers and above. A low/mid herald doing that to a trans, however briefly, isn't insane nor PIS in my honest opinion.

As you said, Superman was more intent on redeeming Prime than fighting him outright. If Superman had to face Prime for as long as Conner did (and had the intention of actually trying to kick his ass instead of reason with him), I have no doubt he would have done as good as Conner if not better. And I don't think Prime HVing his hand can or should translate into "if he shot him in the face/head/heart/etc. Superman would be instantly killed" (not that you specifically are stating that, though).

Originally posted by Sundipped
It was more of a response of me being fed up with the "hurt" argument and hearing it so much, especially in Prime's case. Sure Prime has been hurt but that's not something that severely handicaps him during the course of battle. A little blood drawn really means nothing in his case. He was in good shape after beating the crap out of ION....a fight in which he was bleeding heavily against a being beyond the herald level characters that are constantly brought up against Prime. So just because he gets staggered or an opponent draws blood, Prime is still able to push on and pound it out. I understand what you're saying but that was my main complaint. I just wish people wouldn't focus as much on that as they do.

Against characters of similar levels to those he was fighting when he got hurt and such I understand why him being hurt or staggered would not be such an issue since he has shown the ability to push on in such scenarios. But against a character with an exponentially higher damage output than any of those characters in question? That is going to be a huge huge issue.

^Understandable. I never said it would be easy.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
So basically Superboy > Superman is what you're saying?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
So basically Superboy > Superman is what you're saying?

Originally posted by Sundipped
Wasn't that force generated from 2 beings though?
If so, then Hulk doing that doesn't necessarily equate to him being>>>>>Prime in terms of strength despite Prime not walking through his opponents in the same manner.

Prime and Yat clashed and nothing close to what WBH and Betty did happened during their clash. The strength between this Hulk and Prime is seeable but the thing about this is, Hulk will continue to get stronger.

Originally posted by carver9
Prime and Yat clashed and nothing close to what WBH and Betty did happened during their clash. The strength between this Hulk and Prime is seeable but the thing about this is, Hulk will continue to get stronger.

At the risk of agreeing with Zop...I'm agreeing with Zop, to a point.

Collateral damage is a great indicator of power, but in comics the lack of collateral damage isn't an indicator of relative weakness.

Originally posted by zopzop
Bor and Odinforce Thor clashed and humans in the general area weren't even killed. Collateral Damage isn't a good indication of power in comics because it's all over the place depending on writer and artist.

Its not the collateral damage that I am talking about here...its the people that was melted that I'm talking about.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
At the risk of agreeing with Zop...I'm agreeing with Zop, to a point.

Collateral damage is a great indicator of power, but in comics the lack of collateral damage isn't an indicator of relative weakness.

I understand that but the evidence is there. We have people that is as strong as the people Prime has taken damage from punching and Blasting Hulk to no avail. We then have evidence of what a single punch from Hulk could do. Clear cut to me.

Originally posted by zopzop
Bor and Odinforce Thor clashed and humans in the general area weren't even killed. Collateral Damage isn't a good indication of power in comics because it's all over the place depending on writer and artist.

This is true. But the fact they blew up a planet isn't the most important thing to take away from that feat, but rather that they indirectly vaporized beings who are peers to Savage Hulk and also amped in addition to beings whom Umar was struggling with.

In Bor and OF Thor's case, they didn't create a lot of colletaral damage (though Bor's energy was going to destroy the Earth if he kept pouring it on by Thor's account), but Thor hit Bor so hard that Mjolnir actually shattered. That's probably one of the best displays of durability around, even though Bor himself died in the process.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Which isn't outlandish considering high heralds can do the same to skyfathers and above. A low/mid herald doing that to a trans, however briefly, isn't insane nor PIS in my honest opinion.

As you said, Superman was more intent on redeeming Prime than fighting him outright. If Superman had to face Prime for as long as Conner did (and had the intention of actually trying to kick his ass instead of reason with him), I have no doubt he would have done as good as Conner if not better. And I don't think Prime HVing his hand can or should translate into "if he shot him in the face/head/heart/etc. Superman would be instantly killed" (not that you specifically are stating that, though).

Superman was more intent on redeeming Prime than fighting him outright:

A. That one time.

B. Because he knew he had no hope of beating Prime. (This is the important part).

Well no, the hand is a lot smaller than the chest or head.

But Prime's HV has gone right through his chest (close to the shoulder) and out the other side, while Prime was in a greatly diminished state, too.

So do you believe that Superman can survive his brain being incinerated? Because the notion that Superman can somehow survive heat vision through his brain implies as much.

Guy Gardner (Guy actually blasts Prime in the chest, which affects him no more than a light breeze, Prime powers through and has him at his mercy), Hal Jordan (Caused no cosmetic damage, was quickly overwhelmed and had his arm broken), Superman, Black Adam (Magical lightning may have been ineffective, but he is still a being with strength on par with Superman, and his punches did nothing), the Flashes in SCW (Despite Flash-phobia, their punches were ineffective at actually hurting him), Martian Manhunter (He sucker punched him once in IC, but in SCW, Prime treats him like a kid, right after he hits Hawkman in the face with his own mace), Wonder Woman (KO'd her and a group of heroes at less than full power in Sinestro Corps War with one attack), and then of course the hero dog pile that SBP instantly overpowered when the sun hit his fingertips.

Yet somehow, Superboy has done better against Prime than all of those heroes, alone, even when they teamed up against him. Why is that?

Originally posted by Omega Vision
At the risk of agreeing with Zop...I'm agreeing with Zop, to a point.

Collateral damage is a great indicator of power, but in comics the lack of collateral damage isn't an indicator of relative weakness.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
This is true. But the fact they blew up a planet isn't the most important thing to take away from that feat, but rather that they indirectly vaporized beings who are peers to Savage Hulk and also amped in addition to beings whom Umar was struggling with.

In Bor and OF Thor's case, they didn't create a lot of colletaral damage (though Bor's energy was going to destroy the Earth if he kept pouring it on by Thor's account), but Thor hit Bor so hard that Mjolnir actually shattered. That's probably one of the best displays of durability around, even though Bor himself died in the process.

Regarding HOTM Hulk and SBP, I guess we'll never agree but at least the conversation was cordial.

PS I can't wait till Galan and Abhi see my new avatar and sig, they'll get coronaries! 😆

The mindless ones were explicitly indicated as being too powerful A as whole in that portrayal for Umar to even survive. Them having inconsistent previous showings is irrelevant when their power level in the comics in question is clearly indicated.

Originally posted by zopzop
Savage Hulk got choked out by a snake. Mjolnirless THor was getting humiliated by Savage Hulk in a fight. Snake >>>>>>>>>>>Mjolnirless Thor!

Spiderman beat the Hulk by dumping a garbage truck on him. Spiderman >>>>>>>> Mjolnirless Thor!

Had Spider-Man defeated Savage Hulk every time they fought... yea.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
This is true. But the fact they blew up a planet isn't the most important thing to take away from that feat, but rather that they indirectly vaporized beings who are peers to Savage Hulk and also amped in addition to beings whom Umar was struggling with.

In Bor and OF Thor's case, they didn't create a lot of colletaral damage (though Bor's energy was going to destroy the Earth if he kept pouring it on by Thor's account), but Thor hit Bor so hard that Mjolnir actually shattered. That's probably one of the best displays of durability around, even though Bor himself died in the process.

In other words, the had just started their fight. That indirect planet-busting wasn't the final crescendo after a long epic fight with one foe being laid low in the aftermath. It was just what they opened up with.

HOTM Hulk would beat Superboy Prime. And this has been done before:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=556663&pagenumber=1

Originally posted by Naija boy
The mindless ones were explicitly indicated as being too powerful A as whole in that portrayal for Umar to even survive. Them having inconsistent previous showings is irrelevant when their power level in the comics in question is clearly indicated.

So she currently doesn't impress me......at all.

i don't really think prime could do enough damage to this hulk tbh. this hulk should conceivably be able to heal from almost anything. even if prime heat visioned his heart hulk would heal. prime's only hope would be his speed to make the battle last but given what this hulk should be able to do healing wise, i can't see prime winning this one, though i could see him getting in his fair share of damage. it just wouldn't be lasting.

Originally posted by zopzop
Yeah about that. Umar went from a being as feared as Dormammu (her original appearance) to Dormammu's rival/sidekick (70s-90s) to glorified whore (2000s+); which is what she was in that arc.

So she currently doesn't impress me......at all.

Originally posted by ODG
She easily restrained a holding back Worldbreaker Hulk with her magic. Neither Zom Strange, nor Zeus can even boast such a feat. And she completely no-sold her entire planet blowing up right in her face.

And even then Strange was fighting the Zomling's influence that caused him to lose.

Originally posted by zopzop
Bor and Odinforce Thor clashed and humans in the general area weren't even killed. Collateral Damage isn't a good indication of power in comics because it's all over the place depending on writer and artist.

As said by Omega vision collateral damage isn't a good indicator of the lack of power specifically. It is often used to indicate power though. In the case of the HOTM it was merely an add on to the clear cut relative powerlevel comparisons between characters which is one of the best ways of determining powerlevels. Hulk with the residual shockwave of a mid air collision miles away disintegrated Wendigo (savage/prof hulk level), bi beast ( prof hulk/savage hulk level), an amped fing fang foom (amped enough to apparently conquer earth and to something like 17 hercs worth of power), Armcheddon (physically superior to both Wendigo and bi beast, powerful enough to put down an angry prof hulk with one blast), and the race of mindless ones portrayed so powerfully that Umar (skyfather level) in her own realm wouldn't even survive them. All with the residual shockwave from miles away . Meanwhile he was at the center of aforementioned collision ( meaning he experienced exponentially more force that that which caused all this devastation) and didn't break a sweat...

Forget collateral damage, In terms of relative powerlevel portrayal versus the Herald tier, Wbh blows SBP outta the water.