Count Dooku Vs Darth Krayt

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
So if you're not ready to give Krayt sabers, then how do you suggest he would overcome Dooku in combat, let alone "stomp" him? He doesn't have superior TK or lightning, and none of the feats you listed are usable in combat.

Except he DOES have superior TK and lightning and that's how he's going to overcome Dooku. He is superior to Dooku in the force and I'm not sure how close it really is. Dooku's only hope is to get it to a saber duel and even then it's a toss up.

Based on what does he have superior TK?

Don't forget illusions.

Here, I'll go through a chain.

Darth Andeddu was a famous and powerful Sith, remembered and respected as such even by Dooku (who found his holocron). The other Sith of his time had to gang up to beat him. Darth Andeddu specialized in sorcery and could make illusions so real they could cause real damage and kill even other force users.

Darth Wyyrlok overcame his illusions and killed him with illusions, showing his clear superiority in illusions.

Darth Wyyrlok then tried to kill Krayt with illusions, and in turn Krayt overcame them and killed him.

and none of the feats you listed are usable in combat.

He did mention Dark Transfer, which is what Krayt used to kill Cade Skywalker in their final duel (just got a hand on him and that was all it took. Then rez'd him). I mentioned quite a few other feats he's done in later points as well.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
Based on what does he have superior TK?

Krayt doesn't use TK much, but he does block Cade's TK easily, and Cade both tosses around small starships easily and shields against gigantic explosions.

So he can defend against TK greater than Dooku's.

The question should be, "what does dooku have that will allow him to go toe to toe with Krayt using the force"?

Taking your word for it that sounds pretty beastly, but Dooku's alleged superiority in skill should give him the win.

Not sure about that superiority personally.

Same. What books highlights Krayt's fighting abilities?

There's no guarantee Dooku is better than Krayt in sabers. Hell, he may not even be his equal (judging by Krayt's age and experience). However, he definitely does not compare in the force.

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Well he beat a pissed off Anakin and did pretty well against Peak Kenobi as a Jedi, and he's apparantly much better as a Sith so I personally estimate him to be about the same level or higher than Dooku. He's got some good feats in the comics.

Originally posted by steveholt956
Except he DOES have superior TK and lightning and that's how he's going to overcome Dooku. He is superior to Dooku in the force and I'm not sure how close it really is. Dooku's only hope is to get it to a saber duel and even then it's a toss up.

As far as TK, Dooku has rag-dolled Obi Wan, easily collapsed cave ceilings, lifted several huge monoliths simultaneously, overpowered Ventress, effortlessly crushed a huge column after his duel with Yoda, collapsed a balcony, easily overpowered and choked Vos and relieved him of his saber simultaneously, and so much more. What has Krayt done with TK that tops that?

Dooku's lightning was powerful enough to knock Bulq unconscious with a single blast, kill several Kiffar warriors all at once, cause a pretty good size explosion, knock Ventress unconscious, knock Anakin unconscious, etc. What has Krayt done with lightning that tops that?

@Q99

Krayt would have to put his hands on Dooku for Dark essence transfer to work, and how is he going to do that unless he first overpowers Dooku in combat, which is something I'm waiting on you guys to prove that he can do.

And Wyyrlok did not try to kill Krayt with illusions, he used his sorcery causing Krayt to "relive" the tragic moments of his past. And while doing so, he tried to kill Krayt with his saber.

Also, when did Krayt use illusions on anyone? I went through the comic this morning, and what Krayt did to Cade in their final battle did not seem like an illusion, it seemed more like Krayt was putting a vision in Cade's mind, trying to get Cade to embrace his anger, which he achieved after he had already weakened him with his dark essence transfer.

Just out of interest, when did Dooku collapse cave ceilings and when did he kill Kiffar warriors with his lightning?

Dooku's lightning was powerful enough to knock Bulq unconscious with a single blast, kill several Kiffar warriors all at once, cause a pretty good size explosion, knock Ventress unconscious, knock Anakin unconscious, etc. What has Krayt done with lightning that tops that?

Originally posted by Intrepid37
Just out of interest, when did Dooku collapse cave ceilings and when did he kill Kiffar warriors with his lightning?

The killing of the Kiffar warriors happened in the comic "Jedi: Count Dooku", I believe. As for collapsing a cave ceiling, he did that in TCW series, in the episode where gets captured by pirates. He collapsed the ceiling to trap Kenobi and Anakin inside.

@stevenholt

Krayt killed a bunch of featless knights. Besides, you already admitted that you are unsure if Krayt is better than Dooku in sabers, but you definitely did say he has better TK and lightning feats, and I'm still waiting for you to provide them.

So killing the Kiffar warriors was relevant but Krayt's dispatching of Imperial Knights was not. Gotcha..

The raw power of his Force Lightning was enough to crumble some of the stone columns of the Sith Temple and kill multiple rakghouls with a single burst. His prowess with Force Lightning rivaled that of Darth Wyyrlok, evidenced when the two launched their individual torrents in their duel without gaining an advantage over the other. The Dark Lord also possessed considerable skill in telekinesis, such as when he redirected multiple stones thrown at him by Darth Wyyrlok and when he easily disciplined Darth Nihl in the Valley of the Dark Lords. His strength in telekinesis was such that he could practically vaporize some of the stone pillars of the Sith Temple during his final duel with Cade Skywalker.

Darth Krayt was skilled in the use of Force Illusions, such as when he projected an illusion of Cade's possible future into the young Skywalker's mind

Originally posted by steveholt956
So killing the Kiffar warriors was relevant but Krayt's dispatching of Imperial Knights was not. Gotcha..

Except I wasn't suggesting that Dooku's lightning was superior to Krayt's based on him killing the Kiffar warriors, I was just listing different lightning feats from him, and asking you to provide any lightning feats from Krayt that tops them. You, on the other hand, seemed to be suggesting that Krayt was superior to Dooku in bladework just because he killed four featless knights.

I actually said that they don't seem too far apart combat-wise, while you claimed they are far apart and that Krayt would stomp Dooku. I'm aware of all the feats you just now listed, and none of them are far beyond what Dooku has done. They seem about even to me, and I think it would be a good fight.

I've not questioned Krayt's ability to defeat Dooku. But stomp him in the Force? That's a very tall order with someone of Dooku's caliber that only a handful of characters have a shot of accomplishing.

Krayt may very well be among them, but resurrection and shatterpoint aren't by default Dooku-stomping.

Anyone have scans?

Never knew Krayt called upon all the darksiders in the galaxy, must have missed an issue.

Originally posted by The Merchant
Never knew Krayt called upon all the darksiders in the galaxy, must have missed an issue.

Issue 50.

It's cool, but useless when it comes to combat.

Originally posted by steveholt956
The same lightning that couldn't knock Obi Wan down? As far as I remember, nothing has stopped Krayt's lightning before.

Morne blocked it. And it appears Wyyrlok did as well.

Holy, that's awesome. Useless in combat, but it does show his "power level" for lack of a better term.