Count Dooku Vs Darth Krayt

Started by Intrepid3710 pages

And Cade/Wyyrlok has done exactly what?

Dooku has brought down metal platforms, lifted dozens of obelisk stones, ragdolled Kenobi with the flick of a wrist, disarmed Ventress twice via telekinesis etc.

Dooku has held his own against Yoda, fought as an equal with Mace, stomped Grievous, beaten Ventress and two nightsisters while drugged and blind, stomped AotC Obi-Wan, stomped Quinlan Vos, stomped Tholme, stomped Sora Bulq, is regarded as one of the most skilled lightsaber instructors, is one of the most powerful Jedi in the 25,000 year history of the order and an even greater Lord of the Sith, etc.

He also seems faster. He's faster than Obi-Wan who is faster than Qui-Gon who can move in a blur, move instantaneous, move his blade so fast it expands into a shield, move so fast an eyelooker woudln't be able to see him.

Dooku wins.

He also seems faster. He's faster than Obi-Wan who is faster than Qui-Gon who can move in a blur, move instantaneous, move his blade so fast it expands into a shield, move so fast an eyelooker woudln't be able to see him.

Dooku wins.


That's a hilarious argument. Let me try. Krayt defeated 4 Imperial Knights at once. HE seems faster, HE seems like a blur. Krayt Wins.

Sure, because moving a blur is above Dooku's capabilities.

Also, good to see you ignored the other part. 👆

You said nothing different than Sidious 66. Congratulations on piggybacking on his argument, then adding a random "Dooku wins". Next time try providing ones actually relevant to Dooku's alleged superiority🙂

I did but you chose to ignore it. Not my fault.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
I did but you chose to ignore it. Not my fault.

You didn't but that's alright.

I did, actually. I provided Dooku's best feats. Tell me what Krayt has done better?

It was provided on the first 3 pages. You chose to ignore it, not my fault. Dooku's feats don't compare to Krayt's. Add to the fact that Krayt matched Luke pound for pound against Abeloth, and that feat alone puts him ahead of Dooku. Ergo. Krayt wins.

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It's very impressive, I'm not denying that, but I wouldn't put Krayt above Dooku in sabers based on that showing, because the knights he killed were featless. I'd say fighting Ventress and two other nightsisters while drugged and blind, is at least comparable, especially considering that Ventress is practically Kenobi's equal in saber combat and is among the best saber duelists in the prime of the jedi order.

Well, similar to that, though not with sabers, young Krayt did once fight through the crew of a Vong ship, unarmed.


Are you suggesting that any physical contact with Krayt results in an instant death? If so, can you post a scan of this happening? Because in his final fight with Cade, it seems as though Krayt had to first gather energy throughout his body and release it through his hands.

His hand was glowing first, yea, but he can do that at any time. It's a powerful weapon in his arsenal.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
And Cade/Wyyrlok has done exactly what?

Cade's tossed around a small starship, force-shielded against a giant explosion (base he was in blew up), killed probably dozens of Sith and Sith Troopers (who are strong cyborg force users), fought against quite a lot of named badasses who've engaged in lots of combat themselves (Jedi, Sith, and Imperial Knights, multiple of which have double-digit force user kill counts on page), and much as you'd expect from the main character of a 56 issue series, has a fairly long laundry list of killing stuff with a lightsaber and using strong force powers.

Wyyrlok? He killed the malevolence cultists easily, then, oh yes, killed Darth Andeddu, a sith lord so powerful that the other sith lords of the old empire ganged up to take him on, and Wyyrlok beat him in his own speciality in his own layer.


Dooku has held his own against Yoda, fought as an equal with Mace, stomped Grievous, beaten Ventress and two nightsisters while drugged and blind, stomped AotC Obi-Wan, stomped Quinlan Vos, stomped Tholme, stomped Sora Bulq, is regarded as one of the most skilled lightsaber instructors, is one of the most powerful Jedi in the 25,000 year history of the order and an even greater Lord of the Sith, etc.

Mind you, A'Sharad, let alone Krayt, is only one step down from post-RotS Obi-wan in sabers (you know, the one who beat Anakin who beat Dooku). Someone like Quinlan Vos or Tholme or AotC Obi-wan or even Ventress or Sora Bulq is going to lose against him, and that's just at the time him.

Then he got 30 years of Sith training. Then he fought Abeloth alongside Luke. Then he got decades more of experience and searching out sith knowledge. Then he got rid of his Vong implants, freeing his force power from having to constantly fight them to work unrestricted in the first time in a century, while gaining insight and new powers from having passed through death.


Dooku wins.

Really your arguments do read to me mostly like era-bias.

Btw, I don't think Krayt is necessarily much different in level than Dooku in sabers, but he is clearly top-level, and he's shown more force raw power and more force knowledge and abilities.

Originally posted by Q99
Cade's tossed around a small starship, force-shielded against a giant explosion (base he was in blew up), killed probably dozens of Sith and Sith Troopers (who are strong cyborg force users), fought against quite a lot of named badasses who've engaged in lots of combat themselves (Jedi, Sith, and Imperial Knights, multiple of which have double-digit force user kill counts on page), and much as you'd expect from the main character of a 56 issue series, has a fairly long laundry list of killing stuff with a lightsaber and using strong force powers.

How small a starship? Bigger than something like a Y-wing?

His powers sounds good but I'm not impressed by you pointing out that he killed ''Jedi, Sith, and Imperial Knights''.

Originally posted by Q99
Wyyrlok? He killed the malevolence cultists easily, then, oh yes, killed Darth Andeddu, a sith lord so powerful that the other sith lords of the old empire ganged up to take him on, and Wyyrlok beat him in his own speciality in his own layer.

None of this sounds extremely impressive.

Originally posted by Q99
Mind you, A'Sharad, let alone Krayt, is only one step down from post-RotS Obi-wan in sabers (you know, the one who beat Anakin who beat Dooku).

This is horrible A>B>C logic. A'Sharad being below Kenobi isn't a good start considering Kenobi is below Dooku.

Originally posted by Q99
Someone like Quinlan Vos or Tholme or AotC Obi-wan or even Ventress or Sora Bulq is going to lose against him, and that's just at the time him.

Based on what? A'Sharad lost to Kenobi. Ventress has fought Kenobi evenly and Bulq has his own share of feats and accolades.

Originally posted by Q99
Then he got 30 years of Sith training. Then he fought Abeloth alongside Luke. Then he got decades more of experience and searching out sith knowledge. Then he got rid of his Vong implants, freeing his force power from having to constantly fight them to work unrestricted in the first time in a century, while gaining insight and new powers from having passed through death.

Not sure how any of this translates into a fight with Dooku except gaining more experience and knowledge.

Originally posted by Q99
Really your arguments do read to me mostly like era-bias.

Not really. My knowledge about Krayt's era is limited but from what I have seen so far, nothing suggests he can match Dooku as a swordsman and if he is superior to Dooku in terms of power (mostly talking telekinesis), I doubt it's gonna be a game changer.

Not really. My knowledge about Krayt's era is limited but from what I have seen so far, nothing suggests he can match Dooku as a swordsman and if he is superior to Dooku in terms of power (mostly talking telekinesis)

Nothing suggests Dooku can match Krayt in anything but a saber battle.

Originally posted by steveholt956
Nothing suggests Dooku can match Krayt in anything but a saber battle.

What suggests that Krayt can match Dooku as a swordsman?

Originally posted by Intrepid37
What suggests that Krayt can match Dooku as a swordsman?

The fact that he had over 100 years to practice (obviously accounting for stasis) since he lost to Obiwan, and the fact that he flat out owned 4 imperial knights within seconds.

How good are imperial knights?

Imperial Knights are Jedi Knights and Masters who pledged loyalty to the Empire. They're no neophytes.

So they're featless.

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The Knights that were chosen specifically to be the Emperor's guards were masters. Good try though

They're still without any feats. Beating four of them is in no way close to Dooku's level of skill, expertise and general list of feats.

Beating 4 masters at the same time and rather quickly puts him at Dooku's level at the very least.

I don't see how. Dooku's beaten Ventress and two nightsisters while drugged.