Originally posted by curryman
Indeed.That's why I normally concede a very hefty strength advantage in Superman's favour. Abhi claims that it's 30-40%, I think that's being nice to the Thor fans.
Thor's strength is in the lightning and in the ton of energy-stuff at his disposal.
I agree on average Superman is more apt to use his strength in fights, and I do believe Superman to be physically stronger: Thor is more apt to apply his other abilities to accomplish the same task.
That said he has feats of strength to rival any other top tiers.
Originally posted by pym-ftw
You know Thor, and every herald pretty much; are always holding back, always....
Originally posted by abhilegendThats untrue. You are exaggerating. Superman gave all he had and lost too against DOS Doomsday.
With superman its not just regular holding back. He has mental blocks that prevent him from going all out. When he does though, he kills Doomsday in a few punches while dying when he couldn't even hurt him before at full power and was hurting his hands punching him and oneshot imperiex probes when he and mongul combined couldn't hurt one before. I don't think Thor has any showings like that.
Originally posted by abhilegend
He didn't break through Galactus' head. It was completely fine the next we see his head. Also he wore the belt of strength when he made a small hole in Exitar's armor with all his strength. Compare that to Namor tearing through Tiamut's armor. Anything else?
He did serious damage, Galactus was in a lot of pain, that side of his helmet was completely destroyed and it was described as a "wounding blow".
Not the only time he damaged Celestials.
Your hypocrisy is bordering on the ridiculous. Thor's feat is less impressive because Namor damaged Tiamut at one point (I'd like to see scans of this btw)? What the hell were you just saying in another thread about future writings not influencing past feats? Thor damaged Celestials at the height of their power, when Skyfathers could barely scratch them and they were the most powerful Cosmics by almost editorial decree.
Anytime you feel like putting your money where mouth is, I'll battle zone Mjolnir vs. an Imperiex Probe whenever you want. Thor damaging Galactus/Celestials alone is more then sufficient evidence.
Originally posted by abhilegend
The second scan and first two panels.Blunt force attack and cutting attack.
Haha, good joke bro. Superman's punches pack more power than Mjolnir strikes.
Like superman and doomsday? Not possible. He could crack the armor of a probe with a lightning charged attack though. Not tear it.
There was another instance.
So what? We saw various types of attacks penetrate the armor.
If they did, it would be such a minor advantage that it's irrelevant.
Very possible. Okay, you're looney, understand.
Originally posted by abhilegend
So now you're downplaying Kyle's feats performed under the same writer in the same arc? Who said he wasn't tapping in the same reserves vs the probes?Once the damage was done, the integrity of the armor was weakened regardless were the damage was sealed or not.
All out thor may crack a probe's armor with a charged hammer throw, not tear through it though.
Standard superman failed to bust probes.
What? I specifically said that he upped his game. We saw Kyle Rayner contain the essence of the actual Imperiex, yes I think he wasn't on the same level. Why do Superman fans think Clark is the only one capable of cutting loose.
Prove of this? We saw the armor, it was completely fine:
Get out of here.
Okay, so you think standard Superman hits harder then all out Thor?
Originally posted by abhilegend
He isn't. Superman is at least 30-40% stronger than thor at average.
Originally posted by abhilegend
What evidence?Also Superman and Thor are in same tier because of mjolnir. Not because thor is a peer of superman's in strength.
Originally posted by curryman
Indeed.That's why I normally concede a very hefty strength advantage in Superman's favour. Abhi claims that it's 30-40%, I think that's being nice to the Thor fans.
Thor's strength is in the lightning and in the ton of energy-stuff at his disposal.
A claimed 30-40% strength advantage is pretty phucking hefty. Like, Thor over Colossus/Thing hefty. Basically it means Thor gets folded like a lawn chair if he ever engaged Supes head up. And that's at least and being nice to Thor fans to boot according to those statements. So thusly, it may well be even greater than that. Wow.
Originally posted by carver9
30 through 40%, Superman should be able to kill Thor with a single punch.
Well, Rage and other Thor fans are repeatedly being challenged with this claim and they say nothing. They've had several chances to step up to the plate and refute it forever, but for whatever reason they don't want it with Supes fans in that regard.
Originally posted by dmills
Well, Rage and other Thor fans are repeatedly being challenged with this claim and they say nothing. They've had several chances to step up to the plate and refute it forever, but for whatever reason they don't want it with Supes fans in that regard.
Why should they reply to it when its stupid? Any sane person that knows anything about both characters know Superman isn't that far above Thor physically if at all. I see no reason for them to reply to that nonsense. Pr will be in here soon to stop this consistent/obvious lowballing that's going on because I feel sure someone has reported it.
Originally posted by Silent Master
Abhi is lying, IIRC Wonderman was fighting against multiple Ultrons and the narration stated that he might win...however more Ultron's showed up and ko'd him. at no point did Simon rip any of them apart.
When did this fight happen? Do you have the issue number? Were they Second Adamantium Ultrons or Titanium ones?
Alright, I looked through the arc and this is the only instance I can think of that resembles his description:
Wonder Man and destroyed some Ultrons, but it was outright stated that they weren't the Adamantium ones. And it was revealed that the Adamantium Ultron's that he built were actually from Secondary Adamantium anyways.
