Originally posted by curryman
Ion Amped Kyle has been a god damn joke in half the comics he's been in.He has some insane feats but half the time he's nothing.
Never seen greater inconsistency.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Based on the fact that Thor has absurd high end feats of his own, I find it really doubtful that Thor could never perform on such a level. There's also the fact that Doomsday and Superman went through probes and Thor certainly is on their level.Unless Doomsday and Superman > 100000 Daxamites, Mordru, and Ion Kyle?
Of course they were. They destroyed probes en masse while the others struggled with one probe. I find it laughable that marvelites can accept things like hulk inhaling the power of 133 Hercules but can't accept blatant superman wanking.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
But Mjolnir is a far more powerful weapon. Prove that Aquaman's trident is anything resembling Skyfather level please. I hope you're reasoning isn't because it glowed? We've actually seen Mjolnir being enchanted by a Skyfather (Arguably the greatest in comics) and taking it to some of the biggest, baddest threats around. And we saw Diana break through the Probe with her shield:
http://i764.photobucket.com/albums/xx281/panthergodII/Superman/2001%20Our%20Worlds%20At%20War/05%20JLA%20OWAW/JLA-OurWorldsAtWarpg12.jpgWhat makes her axe special? Also, you can see the Probe being chipped (Not sure why it didn't explode though):
http://i764.photobucket.com/albums/xx281/panthergodII/Superman/2001%20Our%20Worlds%20At%20War/05%20JLA%20OWAW/JLA-OurWorldsAtWarpg06.jpgAgain, are you arguing that Mjolnir cannot bust through Imperiex Probes? I'm just curious how many scans I have to barrage you with to convince you otherwise.
Do you happen to have scans of the lasso ripping up the Probe? Doomsday was punching through them, ripping off heads and shit. I said Thor can damage them.
Also that Probe's armor was weakened after Superman ripped its arm off and sealed it. That's why Diana couldn't even damage it with her axe and then ripped it open.
Do you want me to post a probe completely ignoring Superman's attacks? Or do you think Thor hits harder than superman+mongul combined?
Here is the probes tearing themselves apart trying to break the lasso.
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16204890/Wonder_Woman_v2_172_pg11.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16204894/Wonder_Woman_v2_172_pg12.jpg.html
Mjolnir can tie people now too?
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Do it, I post scans all the time. Have the Supergirl scene too btw?
Ok but you are going to have to wait until tomorrow for those scans, its 4 in the morning where I am at. Supergjrl didn't take out a Probe. Her and Black Lightning fought one to a stalemate until black lightning combined his power with a small Nuke which took out the probe (and somehow Supergirl and Black lightning lived through this attack).
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Hmm, seems that she cut through the rest of the probe on her own with the throw after it started breaking itself. There's also a second instance where they broke through a Probe. Do you have the Aquaman scene?Anyways, her shield broke through, the lasso could as well, her axe chipped one, Aquaman's trident broke through on another occasions. Lawlz, Mjolnir is far more powerful then all of those items (Barring the lasso's connection to truth or whatever). It would tear through Probes like crazy if Thor was cutting loose.
Nah bro. Different applications and all that shit.
Mjolnir can't cut. The better comparison would be superman's attacks and mjolnir strikes.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Mjolnir can't cut bro. And on average superman hits harder than thor with mjolnir. Also that same probe completely ignored Ion amped kyle's attacks and beat him to a pulp which Aquaman ripped open.Also that Probe's armor was weakened after Superman ripped its arm off and sealed it. That's why Diana couldn't even damage it with her axe and then ripped it open.
Do you want me to post a probe completely ignoring Superman's attacks? Or do you think Thor hits harder than superman+mongul combined?
Here is the probes tearing themselves apart trying to break the lasso.
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16204890/Wonder_Woman_v2_172_pg11.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16204894/Wonder_Woman_v2_172_pg12.jpg.htmlMjolnir can tie people now too?
So what? It can bust and tear just fine. Arguable. Then Kyle needs to step up his game or get himself a mystical enchanted weapon like Mjolnir. Also, can anyone double check the accuracy of this claim? I need to get OWAW back on my computer. And he was tapping into some of the Ion power during that era, but he wasn't Ion yet.
Not sure why that matters when Diana attacked a completely different part of the armor? She needed an opening to do it but Mjolnir is almost self propelling.
How does that even make sense when we saw Superman bust a Probe? Do I think when Thor cuts loose, that he can hit harder then a regular Superman/Mongul? Yes I do.
Doesn't have to, it has enough raw power. I honestly don't even know why I'm even debating this when I can just post a long and comprehensive list of all the beings Mjolnir has damaged.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Superman doesn't? Ion amped Kyle doesn't? Mordru doesn't? Its convenient to ignore their high end feats but tout Thor's high end feats.Of course they were. They destroyed probes en masse while the others struggled with one probe. I find it laughable that marvelites can accept things like hulk inhaling the power of 133 Hercules but can't accept blatant superman wanking.
Did I say they don't have high end feats (especially when OWAW certainly was a high end feat display for Superman)? There's nothing convenient about my point. Superman has incredible high end feats. So does Thor. To that end, why can't Thor perform on a level to destroy probes? Especially considering he's operated on ridiculous levels before - more than once?
And again why can't Thor achieve this level? Surely he has the feats to justify this based on what he's capable of doing. Unless they don't count or you feel that nothing Thor has ever done is in any way, shape, or form, comparable to Probe busting. Which would be...well, stupid, to be frank. Thor being able to do something similar to what Doomsday and Superman did doesn't somehow make them inferior.
Nice bait/bash on "marvelites", by the way. Considering Hulk and 133 Hercules have nothing to do with this, I'm going to merely chuckle and move on. Not sure why you're so against the idea of Thor being able to crush Probes in spite of everything else he's done.
Originally posted by carver9
Ok but you are going to have to wait until tomorrow for those scans, its 4 in the morning where I am at. Supergjrl didn't take out a Probe. Her and Black Lightning fought one to a stalemate until black lightning combined his power with a small Nuke which took out the probe (and somehow Supergirl and Black lightning lived through this attack).
No problem. Thanks btw. And yea, I should go to bed too, I have work in the morning.
Originally posted by abhilegend
The lasso was tied around the second probe too who ripped itself apart.Nah bro. Different applications and all that shit.
Mjolnir can't cut. The better comparison would be superman's attacks and mjolnir strikes.
I'd rather see the scans.
Like what?
It doesn't have to. It's just flat out more powerful.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
So what? It can bust and tear just fine. Arguable. Then Kyle needs to step up his game or get himself a mystical enchanted weapon like Mjolnir. Also, can anyone double check the accuracy of this claim? I need to get OWAW back on my computer. And he was tapping into some of the Ion power during that era, but he wasn't Ion yet.Not sure why that matters when Diana attacked a completely different part of the armor? She needed an opening to do it but Mjolnir is almost self propelling.
How does that even make sense when we saw Superman bust a Probe? Do I think when Thor cuts loose, that he can hit harder then a regular Superman/Mongul? Yes I do.
Doesn't have to, it has enough raw power. I honestly don't even know why I'm even debating this when I can just post a long and comprehensive list of all the beings Mjolnir has damaged.
The armor was a complete piece. When it was even minutely breached, its composition broke down and it exploded. Superman weakened that armor beforehand.
All out superman bro. Regular superman couldn't destroy a probe.
Do it and I would post a comprehensive list of all things superman has done too. We'll see which is better.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Did I say they don't have high end feats (especially when OWAW certainly was a high end feat display for Superman)? There's nothing convenient about my point. Superman has incredible high end feats. So does Thor. To that end, why can't Thor perform on a level to destroy probes? Especially considering he's operated on ridiculous levels before - more than once?And again why can't Thor achieve this level? Surely he has the feats to justify this based on what he's capable of doing. Unless they don't count or you feel that nothing Thor has ever done is in any way, shape, or form, comparable to Probe busting. Which would be...well, stupid, to be frank. Thor being able to do something similar to what Doomsday and Superman did doesn't somehow make them inferior.
Nice bait/bash on "marvelites", by the way. Considering Hulk and 133 Hercules have nothing to do with this, I'm going to merely chuckle and move on. Not sure why you're so against the idea of Thor being able to crush Probes in spite of everything else he's done.
Because he isn't on a level of All out superman and H/P doomsday. Simple.
Sure, if superman, Ion amped kyle and Mordru's high end feats are thrown away and its assumed that they were not fighting the probe with all they had. Sure, do that. That's what you do in every thread. Thor isn't tearing through Probes like all out superman and doomsday did.
You do that and I would chuckle on your attempts of ignoring everyone's high end feats but not Thor's.
Originally posted by Diesldude
LOL at all the butthurt in this thread.Hulk was holding back and he turns into WBH
Superman holds back both consciously and subconsciously and lets loose you have him one shotting team busters.Butthurt Thorbags feeling left out. 😂 😂
Originally posted by abhilegend
Not like a cutting tool. He upped his game just fine and contained the big bang itself just fine. I never said he was Ion bro. Now stop comparing cutting weapons to mjolnir.The armor was a complete piece. When it was even minutely breached, its composition broke down and it exploded. Superman weakened that armor beforehand.
All out superman bro. Regular superman couldn't destroy a probe.
Do it and I would post a comprehensive list of all things superman has done too. We'll see which is better.
So you think Aquaman's trident is superior to Mjolnir simply because it has a pointy end? I think Mjolnir's sheer raw power more than makes up that advantage. Should have tapped into those reserves against the Probes. Why not? They were mystical weapons far less powerful then Mjolnir.
But Superman cauterized the wound, so it didn't explode, leaving the armor intact. We literally see a close up of the armor and there is no damage.
I'm talking about all-out Thor.
How does that make any sense to you? Superman didn't fail at busting probes. facepalm
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
No problem. Thanks btw. And yea, I should go to bed too, I have work in the morning.I'd rather see the scans.
Like what?
It doesn't have to. It's just flat out more powerful.
Blunt force attack and cutting attack.
Haha, good joke bro. Superman's punches pack more power than Mjolnir strikes.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
This is some legit silliness. Abhil, do you believe Mjolnir can tear throug Imperiex Probes, yes or no? Very simple straight forward answer please.
Originally posted by abhilegend
That's your problem, you think the high end feats of a character don't apply when he fights another character and doesn't beats them like he should based upon those feats.Because he isn't on a level of All out superman and H/P doomsday. Simple.
Sure, if superman, Ion amped kyle and Mordru's high end feats are thrown away and its assumed that they were not fighting the probe with all they had. Sure, do that. That's what you do in every thread. Thor isn't tearing through Probes like all out superman and doomsday did.
You do that and I would chuckle on your attempts of ignoring everyone's high end feats but not Thor's.
What? 😐 How does that AT ALL have ANYTHING to do with what I said?
He's comparable by feats when they're in the same mindset, get real here. Arguing that Thor, one of the most powerful high heralds in comics regardless of publishers, doesn't have comparable feats to Superman and Doomsday normally is stupid. Arguing he's not at all comparable to them when it comes to performing all out is just as stupid. I could care less if anything thinks Superman > Thor or vice versa, but when people act like one is another tier completely or other absurdities, it's either trolling or flat out ignorance of the characters involved. So, no, you proclaiming it's "simple" is anything but.
I'm not throwing anything away here. facepalm Again, you act like stating that Thor possessing the means to break through Probes somehow lessens what Superman and Doomsday did, when it clearly doesn't. And no, that's not what I do in every thread and I challenge you to even prove that to be the case. But you won't as always.
Christ. How is what I'm asking/arguing throwing out anything? It's painfully obvious Thor has feats comparable to breaking Imperiex Probes and only a moron or troll would claim he doesn't. So again, if Thor decides to stop holding back, why is it impossible for him to break through the Probes?
Originally posted by Diesldude
LOL at all the butthurt in this thread.Hulk was holding back and he turns into WBH
Superman holds back both consciously and subconsciously and lets loose you have him one shotting team busters.Butthurt Thorbags feeling left out. 😂 😂
😬
Hulk's irrelevant to this thread for one and he's held back both consciously and subconsciously.
Superman was one shotting team busters when he cut loose, sure.
Not sure how "Thorbags" are feeling left out when it's blatantly obvious that he has feats comparable to what Superman did. That's the only real problem here, tbh; some posters refuse to acknowledge that or somehow want to pit a normal/average Thor against an all out Superman/Doomsay for comparison. Well, that, and the poor excuse for baiting/flaming.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
😬Hulk's irrelevant to this thread for one and he's held back both consciously and subconsciously.
Superman was one shotting team busters when he cut loose, sure.
Not sure how "Thorbags" are feeling left out when it's blatantly obvious that he has feats comparable to what Superman did. That's the only real problem here, tbh. Well, that, and the poor excuse for baiting/flaming.
You just stepped down from your make believe throne of El. 👆
