Gin vs Wind Waker Link

Started by Nephthys10 pages

Its clearly just magic. Even if its magical lightning that doesn't mean that its as fast as real lightning. The master sword is even said to repel magic, not lightning. Its magic.

And even if it is real lightning, its ball lightning. Which is not as fast as a lightning strike.

Originally posted by Nephthys
I believe that I have constructed many, many arguments over the years.

I don't recall saying that. Although it does sound like something I would say. 😆

Well if it was then surely they could show any indication of speed to allow the player to understand that they are that fast.

Do you seriously want to start this again? I don't, but you sure seem to have a bee up your crack about it. I'm up for humoring you if you want, just don't have a screaming (lol) hissy fit and rage quit like you did last time.


Go ahead, repeat one coherent counter argument to it. Because I can't remember a single one.

Yes, I have a bee up my crack about you loafing around claiming things you cannot support as if it is fact.

Originally posted by KingD19
Gonna point out that Ichigo could barely hang with Gin's attacks, and this is a much evolved Ichigo from the one that was effortlessly swatting away Byakuya's Senbonzakura attack, which is pretty much millions of fast moving microscopic blades attacking all at once from different directions.

And there's no way to prove it was legit lightning. If there is one, prove it I say.


It's represented as lightning during the fight, Ganon's got full speed lightning as part of his power set and we have official art of Link intercepting Lightning with his sword. This isn't hard stuff.

My efforts were in vain.. so I dance.

Originally posted by BloodRain
My efforts were in vain.. so I dance.


It's all right, BR. We managed to find an agreement before this happened, so at least the thread came to a conclusion beforehand this time, right?

..wait, what?

[reading back through the thread]

Well shit, must have missed that O.o Yeah sure, jump on that tangent point then :T

Dunno what you're so worked up about BR. The lightning reacting feat was bound to come up.

I'll take Neph and Scream arguing over something that actually matters over Quan and Scream's desire to **** each other being present in every thread.

Originally posted by AuraAngel
Dunno what you're so worked up about BR. The lightning reacting feat was bound to come up.

I'll take Neph and Scream arguing over something that actually matters over Quan and Scream's desire to **** each other being present in every thread.


Hey, at least I don't follow him into unrelated threads to cheerlead. That guy can't get enough of me. haermm

Yeah thats starting to get a tad creepy .__.

Originally posted by AuraAngel
Dunno what you're so worked up about BR. The lightning reacting feat was bound to come up.

I'll take Neph and Scream arguing over something that actually matters over Quan and Scream's desire to **** each other being present in every thread.

One shitstorm may be better than another, but none is better than any.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Hey, at least I don't follow him into unrelated threads to cheerlead. That guy can't get enough of me. haermm

Well yes. You're the giver. You need some semblance of a cool off time.

Originally posted by BloodRain
Yeah thats starting to get a tad creepy .__.

One shitstorm may be better than another, but none is better than any.

It makes for amusement. And could lead to feats being discredited/strengthened/dismissed/discovered/whatever.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Hey, at least I don't follow him into unrelated threads to cheerlead. That guy can't get enough of me. haermm

Which is unfortunate since I'm trying to Kismesis with him.

But I guess I can settle for Moirallegence. Not going to Auspistize you two, though.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
You want to do this again? You left out the official art,

I'll get to that.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
the consistent use of lightning by Ganon,

You mean Agahnim, right? Or was this where you claim that Ganon creating a storm means he can throw around lightning as well?

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
that even before he gets the ToP his blasts move faster than the player can see in a cutscene without being lightning,

We 'can't see it' because the camera cuts away to Link being hit. Actually thats wrong, we can see it.

YouTube video

You can clearly see the attack move towards the camera. 'Faster than the player can see'? I can just fine. Maybe you should be the one wearing glasses lmao.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
that OoT Link deals with consistent lightning from multiple enemies across two games,

Then it should be easy for you to show him reacting to lightning, then shouldn't it?

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
that both Ganon and Link have shown supehuman combat speed to be parts of their powerset, etc, etc.

Really? I'd put both of them at about peak human myself. Arrow-blocking speed at most.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste

Everything about this attack is designed to yell lightning, which we know has been part of Ganon's powerset since 1991. It crackles when it hits things, creates electrical effects and even takes the form of bolts.

It looks like magic to me. Magic crackles too in many works of fiction. And their are many examples of attacks that look like lightning but don't have the same properties. As I said, the master sword is known to repel magic, not lightning.

Even then, electricity does not always move at lightning speeds in fiction. Cole's attacks in Infamous don't move lightning fast. Nor do the actual lightning bolts Azula can shoot. Unless you think Zuko is a lightning-timer. I could probably keep listing examples of 'lightning' in fiction, but I hope you're smart enough to get the point.

As King said, unless you have actual evidence of lightning-speed, there is no possible way you can prove its legit lightning.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Nintendo would not commission art of something Link cannot do.

I don't see how what's happening there can be denied.

Firstly that's Aghanim, not Ganon and secondly, that isn't lightning. You ever seen lightning turn mid-stream into blue fire? Or sparkling? Or is this just a particularly fabulous bolt?

Its magic. Thats all I need to say really. The fact that all these so-called lightning attacks are magical in nature should end this discussion. Magic is by definition, unnatural and does not follow the rules of physics.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
It does when Ganon has shown in multiple games he can do exactly this, the attack is scripted to crackle and behave like electricity and takes the form of a lightning bolt before he throws it, and that even his non-lightning magic moves faster than the eye can track in cutscenes.

P.S. None of that contradicts what he actually said. Maybe you should try proving that electricity must mean lightning-speeds before you spout off some irrelevant gibberish.

Originally posted by The Scenario
Which is unfortunate since I'm trying to Kismesis with him.

But I guess I can settle for Moirallegence. Not going to Auspistize you two, though.


Brb thesaurus and dictionary.

Originally posted by AuraAngel
It makes for amusement. And could lead to feats being discredited/strengthened/dismissed/discovered/whatever.
You've been here for 3.5 years, how many times has that happened in your time here? 😛

Its almost like cycling in Limbo.

Originally posted by The Scenario
Which is unfortunate since I'm trying to Kismesis with him.

But I guess I can settle for Moirallegence. Not going to Auspistize you two, though.

You mean Agahnim, right? Or was this where you claim that Ganon creating a storm means he can throw around lightning as well?

"It's unbelievable that you defeated my alter ego, Agahnim the Dark Wizard, twice!" — Ganon (A Link to the Past)

You mean the avatar Ganon used in the Light World to free himself? Oh, and this isn't the only game he does it in. Herp.

You can clearly see the attack move towards the camera. 'Faster than the player can see'? I can just fine. Maybe you should be the one wearing glasses lmao.

We get a flash and then Link is sent flying.
Then it should be easy for you to show him reacting to lightning, then shouldn't it?
You mean like the Ganondorf fight? Where he does exactly that?
It looks like magic to me. Magic crackles too in many works of fiction. And their are many examples of attacks that look like lightning but don't have the same properties. As I said, the master sword is known to repel magic, not lightning.

That blatantly forked lightning bolt doesn't look like lightning to you? The one that, when it hits a target, electrocutes them, exactly as the other electric enemies in the game do if you're hit by them? And the sword's cut through electrical barriers before, absorbed lightning, and repelled magical fire and other shit before. Magic lightning is not outside the capabilities of Zelda's flagship plot device.

As King said, unless you have actual evidence of lightning-speed, there is no possible way you can prove its legit lightning.

We know Ganon's lightning is full speed because of how it behaves under any circumstance where the player is not expected to reflect it.
Firstly that's Aghanim, not Ganon and secondly, that isn't lightning. You ever seen lightning turn mid-stream into blue fire? Or sparkling? Or is this just a particularly fabulous bolt?

That's your argument, that what we're seeing there isn't lightning? haermm Really? I guess the ice attacks in FF games aren't ice because they don't melt, that firespin in Pokemon isn't fire because fire doesn't do that, that poison in video games is usually just acid because actual poisons don't just slowly hurt you until you die, they shut down specific body functions resulting in death, etc, etc.

What the artist rendered is completely obvious. Nintendo did not commission an image of something Link cannot do.

Originally posted by ares834
Where does the idea that Ganondorf has lightning time reaction speeds come from?
Pastes fanboyism which ignores all other attacks hitting and beating him while pretending he is.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
What's really amusing is you zipping from thread to thread to nip at my ankles, Quan. Get off my nuts. Hm?
He owns you. You cower. Amusing.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
We get a flash and then Link is sent flying.

Um, we see the ball fly forward at 1:58... It even fills the majority of the screen.

Originally posted by BloodRain
Yeah thats starting to get a tad creepy .__.

Originally posted by ares834
Um, we see the ball fly forward at 1:58... It even fills the majority of the screen.
He just makes stuff up. No one takes him seriously.