The Legendary SSJ

Originally posted by AsbestosFlaygon
Despite claims that LSSJ is the supposedly the strongest Saiyan-level, no matter which way you look at it, Broly was beaten by 3 SSJ2s in the movie canon.

Logically speaking, that means SSJ3 Goku is far superior to LSSJ, since SSJ3 Goku would effortlessly kill the same 3 SSJ2s (yes, I know Goku is one of the 3 but I'm comparing his power level @ SSJ2 to SSJ3).
And that does not even include Mystic Gohan and Vegetto, both of which are far, far stronger than SSJ3 Goku.

The LSSJ kept rising in power. Eventually he would have surpassed SS3 and all others. He didn't live long enough for this to happen tho so it had the potential to be the greatest but it didn't reach it.

**** THAT BULL SHIT

Broly ain't the Hulk. He can get mad, sure but it'll take him like years of getting pissed off to reach SSJ3 levels. And of course we can't assume that a variant of the no limits fallacy does not apply.

It's not feasible which makes LLSJ the best only at a theoretical level.

Originally posted by ShadeSlayer15
**** THAT BULL SHIT

Oh would you stop dissing other people's opinions? Really, Jugs here is hardly the only one who has had this theory.

Originally posted by Based
Broly ain't the Hulk. He can get mad, sure but it'll take him like years of getting pissed off to reach SSJ3 levels. And of course we can't assume that a variant of the no limits fallacy does not apply.

It's not feasible which makes LLSJ the best only at a theoretical level.

I think it is dependant on who Broly is facing. His power level literally doubles a few times during the initial fight with Goku, and kept on inexplicably increasing without reason or logic since then. Even the Zenkai couldn't do that, since the only injury Broly sustained nwas the blow to the abdomen by the Justice Fist.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Oh would you stop dissing other people's opinions? Really, Jugs here is hardly the only one who has had this theory.

I think it is dependant on who Broly is facing. His power level literally doubles a few times during the initial fight with Goku, and kept on inexplicably increasing without reason or logic since then. Even the Zenkai couldn't do that, since the only injury Broly sustained nwas the blow to the abdomen by the Justice Fist.

Goku begins the attack by making a straight fist faced at his enemy, then once his fist, along with his own body, exits the stomach or chest of the target, the energy will explode out into the form of an enormous golden dragon which bears a great resemblance to Shenron and then finally collides into the target, possibly destroying the opponent in its path or leaving a gaping hole, hence the name "Dragon Fist".

Originally posted by ShadeSlayer15
I aint bashing it just sayin that its bull shit is all cuz no facts to really support in fully

Sure you are but that's ok as you aren't the only one that does this here. And yes the facts are there if you actually look. Hell Darkstorm Zero even spelled it out to you:

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
I think it is dependant on who Broly is facing. His power level literally DOUBLES a few times during the initial fight with Goku, and kept on INEXPLICABLY INCREASING without reason or logic since then. Even the Zenkai couldn't do that, since the only injury Broly sustained nwas the blow to the abdomen by the Justice Fist.

Eventually he would have surpassed all others. Unless of course the power was too much for his body to handle and he blew up like the previous LSSJ

Basically the LSSJ is the most power Saiyan form but Broly is not the most powerful Saiyan. Just because stronger Saiyans surpassed his power doesn't mean their forms are actually more powerful. If you don't agree just look at Gotenks' SSJ form. It was greater than or equal to Goku's SSJ3 form. Does that mean that all SSJ1 = SSJ3 now?

Another example is Vegeto's SSJ1 being vastly superior to Gotenks' SSJ3. Is SSJ1 now stronger than all SSJ3 now?

not that is not a good example because it is a fusion so their ssj form would double on top on the increase in powr

Originally posted by ShadeSlayer15
not that is not a good example because it is a fusion so their ssj form would double on top on the increase in powr

It is since their SSJ1 was stronger that superior forms of other Saiyans. The transformation itself is basically a multiplier so it'll multiply their power no matter how strong they are. Base Gotenks was already stronger than Base Goku so when his power is multiplied he would get a much higher boost than Goku. But the general principle is the same.

If someone stronger than Broly, say end of saga Gohan, had the LSSJ form then it would likely shit on everybody including Vegetto. While Vegetto's power would indeed start off stronger, Gohan's would constantly double and double and double again.

Originally posted by AsbestosFlaygon
Broly was beaten by 3 SSJ2s in the movie canon.

In the first movie he was beaten by SSJ Goku /w/ the added energies of Trunks+Vegeta+Gohan+Piccolo, who were all weakened at the time. In Second Coming, he was beaten by teen SSJ2 Gohan, who was weaker than he was during the Cell/Bojack era+Goku(presumably SSJ2)+SSJ Goten... And I don't even remember what happened in Bio-Broly, because frankly, that movie was a steaming pile of shit.

By all accounts Broly is around Cell-level, which means his PL would have to increase roughly 4x over to reach SSJ3 levels.

Originally posted by Galan007
When?

In the first movie he was beaten by SSJ Goku /w/ the added energies of Trunks+Vegeta+Gohan+Piccolo, who were all weakened at the time. In Second Coming, he was beaten by teen SSJ2 Gohan, who was weaker than he was during the Cell/Bojack era+Goku(presumably SSJ2)+SSJ Goten... And I don't even remember what happened in Bio-Broly, because frankly, that movie was a steaming pile of shit.

By all accounts Broly is around Cell-level, which means his PL would have to increase roughly 4x over to reach SSJ3 levels.

In 2nd Coming he was pushed into the sun by Gohan, Goten and Goku. He was also blocked somehow by Trunks. It looked as tho he was actually stronger than the three of them which shows to go ya how much his power jumped since the 1st movie.

Bio Broly was asscheeks and should never ever be mentioned again. EVER!

but your theory about the lssj in just that a theory

Originally posted by ShadeSlayer15
but your theory about the lssj in just that a theory

Sure, if you want ignore little things like facts and evidence of course

Their is no facts just speculative evidence is all so tech its not even a theory yet just a hypothiseis

Originally posted by ShadeSlayer15
Their is no facts just speculative evidence is all so tech its not even a theory yet just a hypothiseis

Cuz Broly's power just increasing never happened in the movie you saw?

ya but maybe that's just broly or you could look at it this way maybe he stays in the same form but still can assend or maybe his base power as a lssj in just massive dose not mean he does not have limits

If you base your opinion of Broly's power on feats and logical power-scaling, then he's around Cell-level as far was what he's displayed. And given than Buu-era SSJ2 Goku was almost certainly more powerful than Cell-era SSJ2 Gohan, it means Broly's power would have to increase by more than 4x in order to match SSJ3 Goku(as a SSJ3 is 4x>SSJ2.)

So even if we're assuming that Broly can powerup infinitely(which is a huge no-limits fallacy), it'd still take him a VERY long time to reach SSJ3 levels.

Broly destroyed a galaxy, a feat unmatched by any other character in the setting.

Therefore, we can assume that Broly is more powerful than every character in the setting combined.

Broly is somewhere between a SSJ and SSJ2.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Broly destroyed a galaxy, a feat unmatched by any other character in the setting.

Therefore, we can assume that Broly is more powerful than every character in the setting combined.