..casually destroying that small planet means galaxy busting should be possible?
That attack would have to be a couple billion times more powerful to hit star system busting. Galaxy? Thats need like.. a few duodecillions (39 zeroes) times more power. So yes, its a little far fetched to assumed as much 😐
The vid Galan posted says it all. The Japanese, which is as canon as the film can get, explains everything. It is only though Kai's vision with the dubbing that the galaxy busting starts to become a thing.. but even then the movie proves otherwise.
For the sake of discussion I will be extremely generous, and use the distance of the oort cloud(3.2ly) as a reference to how large our solar system is-- as that is what NASA terms the end of the sun's physical and gravitational influence. And just to give you a reference as to how vast 3.2ly is: approximately 3,296,159,650,000,000,000,000,000,000(that's 3.2 billion-billion-billion) earths could fit inside this space. Anyway, the generally accepted size of the milky way galaxy is 100,000ly in diameter, and 1,000ly thick.
In short: this means the solar system is only a meager .0032% the size of the milky way. ie. the amount of energy required to destroy the galaxy in relation to the solar system--or worse yet, singular planet--is utterly inconceivable. Even if Broly could destroy the entire solar system with an inadvertent twitch of his eye, he'd still have to produce billionS upon billionS of times more energy to destroy the galaxy in its entirety.
...And we are supposed to believe he unleashed said energies in his RESTRAINED form? Lol, give me a break. Not only is that an lulz-worthy assertion, but we know that Broly didn't destroy the galaxy proper because of the star-filled space we saw in the south galaxy while Goku was IT'ing through it. Additionally, the original Jap dub only stated that the south galaxy was "under Super Saiyan attack"-- it said nothing about Broly actually destroying that galaxy(the english dub is what phucked that up.)
Originally posted by Galan007
For the sake of discussion I will be extremely generous, and use the distance of the oort cloud(3.2ly) as a reference to how large our solar system is-- as that is what NASA terms the end of the sun's physical and gravitational influence. And just to give you a reference as to how vast 3.2ly is: approximately 3,296,159,650,000,000,000,000,000,000(that's 3.2 billion-billion-billion) earths could fit inside this space. Anyway, the generally accepted size of the milky way galaxy is 100,000ly in diameter, and 1,000ly thick.In short: this means the solar system is only a meager .0032% the size of the milky way. ie. the amount of energy required to destroy the galaxy in relation to the solar system--or worse yet, singular planet--is utterly inconceivable. Even if Broly could destroy the entire solar system with an inadvertent twitch of his eye, he'd still have to produce billionS upon billionS of times more energy to destroy the galaxy in its entirety.
...And we are supposed to believe he unleashed said energies in his RESTRAINED form? Lol, give me a break. Not only is that an lulz-worthy assertion, but we know that Broly didn't destroy the galaxy proper because of the star-filled space we saw in the south galaxy while Goku was IT'ing through it. Additionally, the original Jap dub only stated that the south galaxy was "under Super Saiyan attack"-- it said nothing about Broly actually destroying that galaxy(the english dub is what phucked that up.)
English-dub restrained form Broly is obviously skyfather tier and the LSS form was his way of limiting himself to herald levels. 👆
@Galan...
Where are you getting the idea that the planets Goku passed was in the Galaxy Broly destroyed? Goku used IT from his Galaxy (which could be the reason we saw planets) to the Galaxy Broly was in.
I can see where you are coming from with the Galaxy busting ft because planets was still around but him devistating a Galaxy the way he did within short time is still a skyfather level ft. I just disagree with the way you are going with it. The planets Goku passed could have still been in his Galaxy or a passing Galaxy on his way to Broly...who knows.
Also, the devistation he caused took place while he was in his non Super Saiyan form...by the end of the movie, Broly probably could have waved his hands and took out the Galaxy since his Super Saiyan form by the end of the movie>>>>>>>>his non Super Saiyan form.
We see hundreds of stars in the sky on the planet he's on..
It doesnt give him anything. In Kai's vision the whole galaxy dotted to black, nothing at all remaining. Him stating that the galaxy is under attack coupled with all the planets and stars around proves that the visual Kai envisioned means jack all.
Originally posted by carver9Goku teleported from King Kai's planet directly to the south galaxy. This means Goku did not have to travel through his galaxy to get to the south galaxy-- if you'd have watched the first video I posted, you would already know these things.
@Galan...Where are you getting the idea that the planets Goku passed was in the Galaxy Broly destroyed? Goku used IT from his Galaxy (which could be the reason we saw planets) to the Galaxy Broly was in.
That said, while Goku was IT'ing through the south galaxy, this is the image we saw the instant before he arrived on one of the planets Broly caused surface-level destruction to:
Once Goku arrived on said planet, not only do we see another planet in the background, but we also see multiple stars as well:
...Which lends further credence to the notion that the stars we see in the first image were in the south galaxy.
Originally posted by carver9So do you still believe that RESTRAINED Broly destroyed the south galaxy? If so, then I'll refer you to this fight:
Also, the devistation he caused took place while he was in his non Super Saiyan form...by the end of the movie, Broly probably could have waved his hands and took out the Galaxy since his Super Saiyan form by the end of the movie>>>>>>>>his non Super Saiyan form.
And it's even more ridiculous to believe LSSJ Broly is capable of destroying a galaxy with "the wave of his hand", when even Jesus-Cell, with his SSJ2-esque power, only theorized that he could destroy a solar system-- and LSSJ Broly was certainly not billionS upon billionS of times more powerful than Cell. srsly
@Galan...
It couldnt have been a direct teleportation since we see Goku moving from one galaxy to the other. They made teleportation during that episode like flight. Again, there isnt anything shown during that episode that proves the planets we saw wasn't from Goku Galaxy.
I agree with most of what youve said though except Broly power level during the time he destroyed the south Galaxy. He didn't transform into his super Saiyan mode until he fought Goku so he was at his base form when he caused the destruction he caused. It wasn't a Galaxy destroying blast but it wad close to it...hellava close. Goku matching this power at his base form gives us an indication on just how powerful Goku is.
Don't know how or why you are so surpised by this. We all know Goku holds back and we do not know the cap on his power level, even in his base form.
Like I've stated, I agree with most of what you've said...just some small parts on your post I don't agree with.
Originally posted by carver9The movie stills I posted would strongly disagree. And no, base-level Goku isn't remotely close to a galaxy buster-- nor is restrained Broly. That's just silly.
It wasn't a Galaxy destroying blast but it wad close to it...hellava close.
Like I've reiterated multiple times: even Super-Perfect/SSJ2-esque Cell(who over-exaggerated/boasted about his power incessantly) only theorized that he could destroy a solar system-- and I broke down the size differential between a solar system and a galaxy above. Thus, for restrained Broly and/or base-level Goku to destroy "most of" a galaxy, as you're claiming, they'd have to be billionS upon billionS of times more powerful than Super-Perfect Cell... Which they obviously weren't.
Remember, movie #8 was set around the time of the Cell Games. That said:
Super-Perfect Cell>>>Perfect Cell>ASSJ Goku>>>>>>>>base-level Goku=restrained Broly. In even simpler terms: Super-Perfect Cell's power is SEVERAL orders of magnitude beyond that of restrained Broly and base-level Goku, yet he was only a solar system-buster at the MOST--- so how can characters whom were vastly WEAKER than Cell produce astronomically MORE energy than him?
The answer is simple: they CAN'T. 🙂
When did Cell claim "blowing up a solar system" was his limit? That was never mentioned. During the beginning of his attack, yes, he referenced solar system busting but by the time more energy was added to him Kamehameha blast, I feel safe at saying that it was far greater than solar system busting.
Originally posted by carver9Moments before launching his Kamehameha, Cell flat-out stated that he'd "gathered enough ki to destroy the whole solar system." Assuming he was capable of destroying [that much] more than he said he could destroy is horrendously faulty, as you are: a.) putting words in his mouth, and b.) applying a no-limits fallacy on his powerset.
When did Cell claim "blowing up a solar system" was his limit? That was never mentioned. During the beginning of his attack, yes, he referenced solar system busting but by the time more energy was added to him Kamehameha blast, I feel safe at saying that it was far greater than solar system busting.
More faulty still is your assertion that restrained Broly and base-level Goku were able to destroy "most of" a galaxy, when a charged-up Super-Perfect Cell only commented on being able to destroy the solar system. A vastly weaker character cannot destroy more than a vastly stronger character. Simple.