Originally posted by Intrepid37
Grievous was down. Kit could and should have destroyed him right there.
There is evidence to the contrary. Namely Grievous managed to get the **** up and continue fighting. Ultimately, while knocking someone down does give you the advantage it doesn't mean you automatically win.
Originally posted by ares834
😬He knocked Grievous down. That's it. Grievous was still armed and could still attack/defend as we see during the rest of the duel.
By contrast, Ventress had Grievous defenseless and at her mercy.
Then, of course, Ventress already showed she was superior to Fisto by beating him.
1. Grievous was still armed when Ventress knocked him down too. When Fisto downed him, he was on his stomach. Kinda hard to defend yourself in that position. The only reason why Grievous got back up, was because Fisto was just standing over him smiling and allowed him back up. Other than that, Fisto had Grievous at his mercy just as Ventress did.
3. By contrast, Grievous initially had the upper hand against Ventress, whereas he never did against Fisto.
2. She may be superior to Fisto, but based on their performances against Grievous, it's not by much. Even if Ventress and Fisto were equals, the person with the advantage will most likey be the one to win a duel, and as Intrepid pointed out numerous times, Ventress had an advantage over Kit. Whether you consider it a small advantage or a big one, it's still an advantage. And if you consider Ventress to be Fisto's superior, then you'd also have to consider her to be Kenobi's superior, seeing how she downed him in a far more easier fashion than she did Kit, despite Obi Wan being the one with the advantage against her.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
1. Grievous was still armed when Ventress knocked him down too. When Fisto downed him, he was on his stomach. Kinda hard to defend yourself in that position. The only reason why Grievous got back up, was because Fisto was just standing over him smiling and allowed him back up. Other than that, Fisto had Grievous at his mercy just as Ventress did.
There is really no proof that Fisto had Grievous at his mercy.
Meanwhile, Grievous relied on his army to give him time to get up and reengage Ventress.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
2. She may be superior to Fisto, but based on their performances against Grievous, it's not by much. Even if Ventress and Fisto were equals, the person with the advantage will most likey be the one to win a duel, and as Intrepid pointed out numerous times, Ventress had an advantage over Kit. Whether you consider it a small advantage or a big one, it's still an advantage. And if you consider Ventress to be Fisto's superior, then you'd also have to consider her to be Kenobi's superior, seeing how she downed him in a far more easier fashion than she did Kit, despite Obi Wan being the one with the advantage against her.
What advantages are we talking about?
And no we don't have to consider Ventress superior to Kenobi. Yes, she has defeated him but then he has beaten her just as often.
There's quick, and then there's rivaling a superb swordsman with no swordsmanship training at all, fighting a physical beast like Vader without being shown training in Force Valor etc and having ****all in the way of Force powers.
By RotJ its understandable, but to be rivaling Vader in ESB is dumb as all hell.
Originally posted by ares834
There is really no proof that Fisto had Grievous at his mercy.Meanwhile, Grievous relied on his army to give him time to get up and reengage Ventress.
What advantages are we talking about?
And no we don't have to consider Ventress superior to Kenobi. Yes, she has defeated him but then he has beater her just as often.
1. Being on his stomach and unable to defend himself doesn't suggest that Fisto had him at his mercy? What's the difference in Fisto putting grievous down in a more disadvantageous position than Ventress putting him down in a less disadvantageous position? At least he was facing her and was in an easier position to get back up.
2. That's because Grievous had his army there at the time, whereas with Fisto, his magnaguards were nowhere in sight. And as I said, Fisto allowed Grievous to get back up, other than that Grievous was at his mercy, and Fisto had good opportunity to finish him off.
3. When we consider all of their fights, she has beat Kenobi more than he has her, and she has also stomped Kenobi on two occasions, one time being when he had Anakin's help. Kenobi never easily defeated her the way she has him, he's merely bested her a few times. But he's also had more opportunities to fight her than Fisto has. The only time Fisto has dueled her, was when she had an advantage over him, whereas she has outright dominated Kenobi when Kenobi had the advantage over her. In fact, there were a couple of times she fought off both Anakin and Kenobi at the same time. So if we put her as Fisto's superior based on his single performance against her, than it's only fair to put her as Kenobi's superior based on all his performances against her, especially since she has downed him in far more easier fashions than she did with Fisto.
