Originally posted by Golgo13
I don't think WB is going to screw this up. They're depending on this franchise to work and are attached to some of the best writers in Hollywood. If WB thought this couldn't work, we wouldn't be getting a JL movie in the first place and they CONFIRMED a JL movie way before it will be released. They have to be confident in something. Whether that's the script to the movie or director.I think it will work.
Even the best writers know characters and events need to be built up. This isn't X-Men or Watchmen where every character is connected due to their circumstances. These are characters whose origins are independent, yet, interconnected. All of them need a solo movie to make sense out of every aspect of the DC universe. Time restricted one-liners will not explain why Atlantis is under water, why there are Amazons and magic, why there are Green Lanterns, and why science can create metahumans. As roughrider stated, it's too much too soon, especially when kryptonians just landed on earth and changed everything.
Even if Justice League is good, it will still feel rushed.
Originally posted by -Pr-
Your idea of "fun" may need some adjusting. sneer
nah 😛
Originally posted by -Pr-
Atlantis doesn't even have to be mentioned in JL any more than Aquaman saying "I'm the King of Atlantis" and having nobody believe him.
Atlantis still has to be shown as Aquaman talks.. Him saying "I'm the King of Atlantis' would make people sitting in their seats go "what" . You can easily show Atlantis being destroyed by the effects of the world engine as Aquaman is speaking thus making it very plausible for the audience to believe in him
Originally posted by -Pr-
Atlantis doesn't even have to be mentioned in JL any more than Aquaman saying "I'm the King of Atlantis" and having nobody believe him.
If they tried to do that when Marvel made Thor, it wouldn't have worked. Instead they took care to explain Asgard's relationship to Earth, and we spent time there.
Of course, Marvel cared enough to give Thor his own movie as well.
DC & Warners are still battling their fear that the audience doesn't care enough about anyone else from their universe other than Superman & Batman, so they are shoehorning as many characters as they can into the next two movies, to try and force a bond with a larger audience.
Needs to be said again: DC & Warners have no faith in a solo Wonder Woman movie; meanwhile, Marvel Studios is boldly making a space movie with an anthropomorphic raccoon as the breakout star. 😛
Grow a pair and stop the mad rush, is my message to DC Entertainment.
Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
nah 😛Atlantis still has to be shown as Aquaman talks.. Him saying "I'm the King of Atlantis' would make people sitting in their seats go "what" . You can easily show Atlantis being destroyed by the effects of the world engine as Aquaman is speaking thus making it very plausible for the audience to believe in him
Why? Any audience member with a passing knowledge of mythology knows that Atlantis is based on a real myth. They don't have to actually show us Atlantis for the audience to believe Aquaman when say, Hal doesn't.
Originally posted by roughrider
DC & Warners are still battling their fear that the audience doesn't care enough about anyone else from their universe other than Superman & Batman, so they are shoehorning as many characters as they can into the next two movies, to try and force a bond with a larger audience.
Don't agree at all. They just had to start somewhere, and they wanted to get to JL fast enough, so who else would they naturally start with? Someone other than their two biggest characters?
I don't like that they're rushing, but there was never going to be anyone else to kick this off than Superman and Batman.
WB is behind Marvel, whether they like it or not. They're only where Marvel was when Iron Man came out, and back then, Marvel had to take the time to build their characters.
Sure, WB should be doing the same thing, but that still doesn't mean they have tunnel vision imo.
Originally posted by roughrider
If they tried to do that when Marvel made Thor, it wouldn't have worked. Instead they took care to explain Asgard's relationship to Earth, and we spent time there.Of course, Marvel cared enough to give Thor his own movie as well.
DC & Warners are still battling their fear that the audience doesn't care enough about anyone else from their universe other than Superman & Batman, so they are shoehorning as many characters as they can into the next two movies, to try and force a bond with a larger audience.Needs to be said again: DC & Warners have no faith in a solo Wonder Woman movie; meanwhile, Marvel Studios is boldly making a space movie with an anthropomorphic raccoon as the breakout star. 😛
Grow a pair and stop the mad rush, is my message to DC Entertainment.
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Originally posted by -Pr-
Why? Any audience member with a passing knowledge of mythology knows that Atlantis is based on a real myth. They don't have to actually show us Atlantis for the audience to believe Aquaman when say, Hal doesn't.
that doesn;t mean much as the audience still wants to know this character.. you just can't say Hi I'm Aquaman and I live in the ocean.. that is a very laughable statement and he will be turned into a very laughable character.. WB has to take some type of time to get the audience to care about these other characters NOT named Batman and Superman.. Everyone knows all about Batman and Superman as evidenced by the high success of Nolan's Bat trilogy and Man of Steel. Affleck won't be doing an origin film because that has already been done so now going forward they won;t have to explain anything regarding his origin, same with Kal as evidenced with Man of Steel since that was an origin film.. Now you are adding in other characters who are not going to be believable not one bit unless you take the time and give them the proper story to do so.. Just cause Atlantis is based on real myth isn;t going to tell the general audience which is what each and every comic book film needs in order for success that they can believe some actor when he says one or two lines about his home..
Also since Namor is getting his own film WB has to make sure people believe in their character too
Originally posted by -Pr-
Why? Any audience member with a passing knowledge of mythology knows that Atlantis is based on a real myth. They don't have to actually show us Atlantis for the audience to believe Aquaman when say, Hal doesn't.Don't agree at all. They just had to start somewhere, and they wanted to get to JL fast enough, so who else would they naturally start with? Someone other than their two biggest characters?
I don't like that they're rushing, but there was never going to be anyone else to kick this off than Superman and Batman.
WB is behind Marvel, whether they like it or not. They're only where Marvel was when Iron Man came out, and back then, Marvel had to take the time to build their characters.
Sure, WB should be doing the same thing, but that still doesn't mean they have tunnel vision imo.
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Originally posted by Golgo13
Lets not go crazy now.
That actually wouldn't be a bad idea. If you're going to just introduce all these other Superheros into the world of MOS through 1 movie, most of them being aliens or alien tech/powers are being the source of their powers would be a lot easier for the GA to take in, than say "oh she's a demi-god, and he's a cyborg btw."
Anyway Imho WB is trying to be "different" to Marvel which I think is a big mistake. Fox and Sony are both copying Marvel's formula. And it seems to have worked quite well for the latest X-Men. Simon Kinberg said "We're all inspired by what Marvel has done."
Marvel will always get props for doing it first. There's no changing that now, but there's nothing wrong in using a formula that clearly works. The other studios have taken inspiration from it, so why can't WB?
Instead of spending the next 3 years going straight into JL, they should have spent the last couple of years going straight into a WW and Flash Solo movies. Now guess what? It's not Marvel but Fox who have beaten WB to giving us the first speedster on the big screen. And guess what? People have noticed him. That really should have been The Flash first. But the way WB are doing things right now it's like they're lagging behind so much, yet rushing so much at the same time.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
That actually wouldn't be a bad idea. If you're going to just introduce all these other Superheros into the world of MOS through 1 movie, most of them being aliens or alien tech/powers are being the source of their powers would be a lot easier for the GA to take in, than say "oh she's a demi-god, and he's a cyborg btw."Anyway Imho WB is trying to be "different" to Marvel which I think is a big mistake. Fox and Sony are both copying Marvel's formula. And it seems to have worked quite well for the latest X-Men. Simon Kinberg said "We're all inspired by what Marvel has done."
Marvel will always get props for doing it first. There's no changing that now, but there's nothing wrong in using a formula that clearly works. The other studios have taken inspiration from it, so why can't WB?
Instead of spending the next 3 years going straight into JL, they should have spent the last couple of years going straight into a WW and Flash Solo movies. Now guess what? It's not Marvel but Fox who have beaten WB to giving us the first speedster on the big screen. And guess what? People have noticed him. That really should have been The Flash first. But the way WB are doing things right now it's like they're lagging behind so much, yet rushing so much at the same time.
How is Fox or Sony coping Marvel again? Are they going to have a bunch of solo titles to lead into a bigger one?
And I don't want WB or any studio to copy Marvel. I think carving your own path is the best way, while taking certain, but not all elements that work.
Originally posted by Golgo13
How is Fox or Sony coping Marvel again? Are they going to have a bunch of solo titles to lead into a bigger one?
The whole inspiration of DOFP came from the success Marvel had with the Avengers. They thought what can we do that's similar? How about using this DOFP storyline which would put Wolverine, our new X-Man cast from First Class, and the the Original X-Men cast all in one movie?
Sony are also taking inspiration starting a shared movie Universe. Only problem with them is they don't have any other superheroes, so are creating a shared Universe through their Villains. That's why they've already confirmed a Venom movie and a Sinister Six movie.
I'm glad other studios are taking inspiration. Because now DOFP is probably the best X-Men film to date. And now they're highlighting other characters who aren't called Wolverine. They've come a long way and a lot of that is due to Marvel studio's Mega Success Formula.
Originally posted by Golgo13And I don't want WB or any studio to copy Marvel. I think carving your own path is the best way, while taking certain, but not all elements that work.
Nah they should do new and interesting and possibly risky things (like both Fox and Sony are doing), but they shouldn't abandon a proven formula for MEGA-Success.
Marvel were not even the first to use that formula. Ever seen Freddy vs Jason? Which actually made more than any previous Freddy or Jason movie? There was also Alien vs Preadator although that wasn't as successful as the Alien movies, because hey, the movies still have to have quality to them.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
The whole inspiration of DOFP came from the success Marvel had with the Avengers. They thought what can we do that's similar? How about using this DOFP storyline which would put Wolverine, our new X-Man cast from First Class, and the the Original X-Men cast all in one movie?Sony are also taking inspiration starting a shared movie Universe. Only problem with them is they don't have any other superheroes, so are creating a shared Universe through their Villains. That's why they've already confirmed a Venom movie and a Sinister Six movie.
I'm glad other studios are taking inspiration. Because now DOFP is probably the best X-Men film to date. And now they're highlighting other characters who aren't called Wolverine. They've come a long way and a lot of that is due to Marvel studio's Mega Success Formula.
Nah they should do new and interesting and possibly risky things (like both Fox and Sony are doing), but they shouldn't abandon a proven formula for MEGA-Success.
Marvel were not even the first to use that formula. Ever seen Freddy vs Jason? Which actually made more than any previous Freddy or Jason movie? There was also Alien vs Preadator although that wasn't as successful as the Alien movies, because hey, the movies still have to have quality to them.
It doesn't sound like a complete copy to me. Sure, Wolverine had a solo and First Class came even before that, but the same is going on with what WB is doing and having a build up with the JL. First came Superman, then Batman, and then the JL. Could very well work.
I think it will work, but we've been going over this topic for PAGES on end. You don't think it will work and that's fine. You could very well be right, but I'm tired of debating this and let's just agree to disagree until the actual movies come out.
Originally posted by Golgo13I think it will work, but we've been going over this topic for PAGES on end. You don't think it will work and that's fine. You could very well be right, but I'm tired of debating this and let's just agree to disagree until the actual movies come out.
Fair enough, but know that I'm only complaining because I care 😮
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Fair enough, but know that I'm only complaining because I care 😮
Doesn't mean we have to read it for 2 more years. People don't like Ben casted as Batman, but they just have to deal with it or simply not watch it. Same for Gal and the same for the JL coming out after BVS. Let's just hope for the best.