Originally posted by Zack MWell, Civil War is going to be great. Also, AOU was pretty good. Not as good as the first or some of the other Marvel movies, but it's better than pretty much any DC movie since TDK.
Hope it's not as disappointing as AOU.
Dawn of Justice has it's work cut out for it. It not only HAS to make 1 Billion+ to not be considered a colossal failure...but it also has to get good reviews. Time will tell.
^ Reviews are only really taken into consideration if the film doesn't make much bank.
For example they went ahead with Days of Future Past, even though First Class didn't make much profit, because it was so highly praised, so they figured the next one might make bank. It was somewhat like that for Batman Begins as well.
However when a movie makes bank the studios really aren't too bothered by reviews. Just look at the Transformers franchise.
Originally posted by CPT Space Bomb👆
Well, Civil War is going to be great. Also, AOU was pretty good. Not as good as the first or some of the other Marvel movies, but it's better than pretty much any DC movie since TDK.Dawn of Justice has it's work cut out for it. It not only HAS to make 1 Billion+ to not be considered a colossal failure...but it also has to get good reviews. Time will tell.
Reviews are always taken into consideration unless you're darth Thor, apparently.
Originally posted by CPT Space Bomb
Well, Civil War is going to be great. Also, AOU was pretty good. Not as good as the first or some of the other Marvel movies, but it's better than pretty much any DC movie since TDK.Dawn of Justice has it's work cut out for it. It not only HAS to make 1 Billion+ to not be considered a colossal failure...but it also has to get good reviews. Time will tell.
It doesn't have to make a billion. Read the Forbes article I posted. Justice League is happening either way.
Agree to disagree on AOU. I thought it was pretty average.
Also, is this a legit source?
Producers:Charles Roven
Deborah Snyder
Doug Mitchell
Barrie Osborne
George Miller
Dan LinStarring:
Gal Gadot – Diana Prince/Wonder Woman
Henry Cavill – Clark Kent/Superman
Amber Heard – Mera
Ben Affleck – Bruce Wayne/Batman
Amy Adams – Lois Lane
Jason Momoa – Aquaman/Arthur Curry
Ezra Miller – Barry Allen/The Flash
Ray Fisher – Victor Stone/CyborgStory: Earth’s greatest heroes are assembled to form the Justice League, to combat a threat beyond each member’s capabilities.
It'll come close to that on name recognition alone, Batman taking on Superman, two of the most well known comic characters on the planet. Doesn't mean it'll be great though, I still think Eisenberg's Luthor is going to drag this film down a notch or two. Hopefully I'm wrong and he impresses us all.
Watchmen is one of the best SH flicks and an overall solid film; it didn't make much money because most people didn't know thing one about the characters or story.
Well, this is good news:
I'm watching Meet The Movie Press, hosted with Jeff Sneider from The Wrap, one of the biggest trades out there. It turns out that today Justin Kroll from VARIETY is there with him talking about movies. Justin Kroll AND Jeff Sneider know their stuff, and while they haven't work in the business as long as Drew McWeeny, he had this to say about Batman v Superman when they were talking about BvS getting a r rating: He heard that the film is GREAT, and that Warner has nothing to worry about the film's outcome. When talking about Justice League starting production, he said that of course that the movie is going to production and it's good to see that this film is getting made. If you wanted some reassuring news about the quality of Batman v Superman, Justin Kroll saying that he heard that Batman v Superman is great is the news you were looking for, mates.
Originally posted by Zack MI never said it had to make a Billion to get a sequel.
It doesn't have to make a billion. Read the Forbes article I posted. Justice League is happening either way.
It has to make a Billion to avoid being considered a colossal failure; at least in fanboys eyes. AOU made almost 1.5 billion and Disney execs called it a failure for not at least surpassing the first one.
Money wasn't a huge thing until TDK came out and it made 1 billion and all the DC fanboys laughed and taunted Marvel fans.
Well, now the tables have turned. IF Batman v Superman fails to even reach 1 billion it's going to be a huge embarrassment for all DC fans. That being said, I believe it WILL make at least a billion, and probably rather easily. It'll probably make closer to 1.5 billion or even a little higher. I suspect it will even make more than Civil War. However, I still believe CW will be the better movie.
Originally posted by CPT Space Bomb
I never said it had to make a Billion to get a sequel.It has to make a Billion to avoid being considered a colossal failure; at least in fanboys eyes. AOU made almost 1.5 billion and Disney execs called it a failure for not at least surpassing the first one.
Money wasn't a huge thing until TDK came out and it made 1 billion and all the DC fanboys laughed and taunted Marvel fans.
Well, now the tables have turned. IF Batman v Superman fails to even reach 1 billion it's going to be a huge embarrassment for all DC fans. That being said, I believe it WILL make at least a billion, and probably rather easily. It'll probably make closer to 1.5 billion or even a little higher. I suspect it will even make more than Civil War. However, I still believe CW will be the better movie.
At this point, WB should be happy with growing BO. If BVS makes 900 M, that's a lot more than MOS. Then if JLA does 1 B plus and so on, then that's a win. That would mean DC/WB will do better than MCU for it's first 10 films and increase merchandise.
Now HeroicHollywood is acknowledging George Miller as a possible producer in JL. PLEASE BE TRUE!
Possible ‘Justice League – Part 1’ Casting Call Suggests George Miller Will Produce http://bit.ly/1WOphJ9
Originally posted by Zack MNot really. It might be well enough for WB but you better believe that 900 million would be an embarrassment for DC fans.
At this point, WB should be happy with growing BO. If BVS makes 900 M, that's a lot more than MOS. Then if JLA does 1 B plus and so on, then that's a win. That would mean DC/WB will do better than MCU for it's first 10 films and increase merchandise.
Also, it's not really "Doing better than the MCU" considering most of Marvel's early films were solo movies. And the MCU's first film, Iron Man, made more domestically than MOS did. That means in America, Iron Man out-slugged Superman. DC is jumping straight into team-up movie for it's second AND third movies!
Anyway, as I said, I fully expect BvS to make at LEAST a billion. The last trailer looked MUCH, Much better and alot of people are stoked for it. I suspect it will rival the most profitable comic movies ever. We shall see though.
Originally posted by CPT Space Bomb
Not really. It might be well enough for WB but you better believe that 900 million would be an embarrassment for DC fans.Also, it's not really "Doing better than the MCU" considering most of Marvel's early films were solo movies. And the MCU's first film, Iron Man, made more domestically than MOS did. That means in America, Iron Man out-slugged Superman. DC is jumping straight into team-up movie for it's second AND third movies!
Anyway, as I said, I fully expect BvS to make at LEAST a billion. The last trailer looked MUCH, Much better and alot of people are stoked for it. I suspect it will rival the most profitable comic movies ever. We shall see though.
Who cares what fanboys think? As long as the movie is good, that's all that matters. MOS did more than the first 2 iron man movies. The only reason the 3rd one did better, is because of the momentum of the MCU. In fact MOS did more than most Marvel films and it looks like Suicide Squad and BVS will follow suit.
This film will cross the Billion mark and that will be enough for WB/DC to carry on with their slate without worrying. I personally think it will make something around what Age of Ultron did. But no one will get fired or start crying over "just" 1 Billion.
Originally posted by Zack M
Now HeroicHollywood is acknowledging George Miller as a possible producer in JL. PLEASE BE TRUE!
I'm not entirely sure what a producer does. Just make Miller the director already!
Originally posted by Zack MAgain, Iron Man did better domestically than Man of Steel. And that came out in 2008; before it elevated the conception of what super hero movies could be. Then TDK really blew the doors off.
Who cares what fanboys think? As long as the movie is good, that's all that matters. MOS did more than the first 2 iron man movies. The only reason the 3rd one did better, is because of the momentum of the MCU. In fact MOS did more than most Marvel films and it looks like Suicide Squad and BVS will follow suit.
Iron Man and TDK basically re-energized the comic book movie craze. Iron man came out first and was a mostly obscure character to the GA. Superman is the "OG" Super Hero (he's not really but most think he is). The fact that Iron Man outdid Superman in ANY capacity is pretty huge...so again, saying the DCU is outdoing the MCU based on one DCU solo movie of their flagship hero.....yah...not really.
That's true about IM. Marvel hitting it out of the park with a B-List character like that, and essentially making him the top dog of superheroes (well between him and Batman).
Also agree TDK and IM1 shifted the course for modern day superhero movies.
But where Marvel carried it on, growing it to another level, DC just sat it out.
Not sure they sat on it so much, they were making highly acclaimed films with Nolan's Batman; that had to end and they really couldn't use that Batman to be part of the DCU even if they wanted to keep Bale in the suit.
At least I'm glad they didn't mix the qausi-realism of Nolan's Batman with super powered aliens and super-science experiments.